# Better Call Saul 2.02 "Cobbler" 2/22/16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 22, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804 "2016-02-22T15:34:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/81 "2016-02-25T04:44:58Z")
> [@Laggard](#): > > Jimmy is a lawyer. Why else would he have been there? Yes. Jimmy is a lawyer. But when talking to the police, I think you want a criminal lawyer and it seems to me that Jimmy has done a little bit of many different kinds of law. But he is not primarily a criminal lawyer. I’m not suggesting that Jimmy should act as the Hummer guy’s lawyer. I’m suggesting it would be best if they each have their own criminal lawyer. I’d really like to hear from a criminal lawyer on this. Was it really a good move to go and meet with the police? I would have thought it would be better not to participate in a “fishing” expedition because you are just giving the police more info they will use against you. I think Dewey Finn makes sense. But isn’t it ver dangerous to try to actively outsmart the police? Couldn’t the result of that be more serious charges? I’m just guessing from past experience. But wouldn’t it be better to just call their hand and make them either charge you or let you go? I remember some threads on this board from a while ago in which some experienced criminal lawyers said it was almost always a big mistake to co-operate with the police because all the police want is to find someone to investigate and then arrest. Of course, this is not real life. It’s an entertaining TV show and it’s very entertaining. So, it’s probably not reasonable to try and judge this show using the same terms as you might use in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/82 "2016-02-25T04:46:36Z")
> [@soonerblue](#): > > But I did enjoy seeing Jimmy use a little Saul to spin that bizzare, minutely detailed yarn about squat cobbler … loved his straight face saying, “Like I would make this up?” (Some of Odenkirk’s best comedic work on the show yet.) Jimmy will never give up this sort of fun to practice only dry lawyering. He’ll just not tell Kim. Bob Odenkirk is very much a comedy guy, and to me that kind of levity/humor is an essential component for a show he’s the star of. You’re probably aware of it, but it just occurred to me that a lot of people watching this show might not be familiar with his sketch comedy past. He had a show called _Mr. Show with Bob and David_ in the 90s (the David being David Cross), and before that was a long-time writer for SNL and Conan O’Brien. More recently, he’s also done two sketch comedy series that are both available on Netflix streaming, which I highly recommend to any fan: _The Birthday Boys_ and a brand new Netflix series called _W/ Bob and David_ that is basically a reboot of Mr. Show. It only has 4 episodes unfortunately, though I hope they end up making more. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/83 "2016-02-25T04:52:42Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > But he is not primarily a criminal lawyer. You don’t want a criminal lawyer. You want a \*criminal \*lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/84 "2016-02-25T05:17:26Z")
> [@jsquire](#): > > Love this show, and kind of wondering if it could extend to examining other characters from the BB/ABQ universe. My wife suggests a show based on Saul Goodman’s bodyguard and says it should be titled “Huell Miss Me”. Well, there’s still some mystery surrounding Gus Fring’s early life and his dealings in Chile, so there’s that. Then again, Gus will presumably show up on BCS at some point. On the other hand: I suppose that BCS, in part, is an attempt at answering the question of why Saul and Mike on BB are in the crime business in the first place. Why isn’t Saul a law-abiding lawyer, and why isn’t Mike a cop? I have to admit that I never particularly wondered about that when watching BB, certainly not in the case of Saul, but I guess that the writers did ask themselves that. One BB character that I did ask that question about, though, is Lydia. I still don’t understand why someone that neurotic would want to be in the meth business, especially since she doesn’t really seem to need the extra money. Half the time, she looks like she doesn’t want to be there. So: Explain Lydia. Actually, come to think of it, I once suggested a Lydia spin-off in the BB threads, titled “Red Shoe Diaries”. Of course, that title is taken, so someone will have to think of another one. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/85 "2016-02-25T05:56:13Z")
Chuck is going to drive Saul into becoming Saul. Hes so certain that Jimmy is not fit to be a lawyer hes going to make sure that belief becomes reality. I am just wondering if it will move from passive belief to active attempts to push Jimmy over the edge. ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/86 "2016-02-25T06:19:42Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > Yes. Jimmy is a lawyer. But when talking to the police, I think you want a criminal lawyer and it seems to me that Jimmy has done a little bit of many different kinds of law. But he is not primarily a criminal lawyer. 😕 This whole series started off with Jimmy doing criminal defense work as a public defender. That was all he was doing at the time until he tried the skateboard scam. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/87 "2016-02-25T06:25:42Z")
> [@soonerblue](#): > > I still think Jimmy’s brother is a mean prick. That last closeup of Chuck’s face at the piano … those cold blue eyes … pure evil. > > Chuck seems to want to destroy Jimmy, so much that he’s made himself sick, or mentally unbalanced with the electricity-allergy thing. And he knows the power he holds over Jimmy, or he wouldn’t have dropped in at that meeting to upset him … delivering the sucker punch - “To bear witness.!” He hopes to goad Jimmy into doing something wrong, or shady, so they’ll fire him … so Chuck can berate and revile him … and ‘be right’ about him. > [@Critical1](#): > > Chuck is going to drive Saul into becoming Saul. Hes so certain that Jimmy is not fit to be a lawyer hes going to make sure that belief becomes reality. I am just wondering if it will move from passive belief to active attempts to push Jimmy over the edge. Wow, I think you guys are ascribing way more malice to Chuck than he’s actually shown. While there’s no doubt that he doesn’t think Jimmy has what it takes to be a competent attorney, there’s still a _huge_ gap between that and “he’s evil and wants to destroy Jimmy”. I think his role from here on out will actually diminish in importance - he already had his impact when Jimmy realized he didn’t want him to work for HHM back when he passed the bar and stopped seeking or caring about his approval. There may well be another nail or two in the coffin yet to come, but a lot of the damage to their relationship is already done. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/88 "2016-02-25T08:47:39Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > When Jimmy was sitting with the two cops and they were asking him to explain what was going on with his client, I didn’t understand why he didn’t just clam up and say that he would not answer any further questions without his lawyer present. > > I thought the man with the Hummer should have just told the police that he would only answer questions if his lawyer was present and then instructed Jimmy to not allow him to answer any questions. > > Why would either of them have talked to the police? I had always thought the best strategy was just to be polite to the police but not to answer any questions unless your lawyer is present. > > In other words, why didn’t the man with the Hummer just “lawyer up” with a good criminal lawyer? Why go through that charade in the first place? > > I would guess he could have been in a lot more trouble for maybe obstructing justice or fabricating evidence than simply “lawyering up”. Well, to be fair, there was the Drug Money Problem and the stolen pharmaceuticals, which would be a lot more serious than baseball cards and fetish videos. That Hummer was a bit of a giveaway too. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/89 "2016-02-25T10:40:28Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > On the other hand: I suppose that BCS, in part, is an attempt at answering the question of why Saul and Mike on BB are in the crime business in the first place. Why isn’t Saul a law-abiding lawyer, and why isn’t Mike a cop? In Mike’s case, they covered this last season. His son was a cop who was killed by two dirty cops because he wouldn’t take the money. Mike murdered them in revenge, and moved to Albequerqui to be near his granddaughter. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/90 "2016-02-25T13:06:11Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > Yes. Jimmy is a lawyer. But when talking to the police, I think you want a criminal lawyer and it seems to me that Jimmy has done a little bit of many different kinds of law. But he is not primarily a criminal lawyer. > > I’m not suggesting that Jimmy should act as the Hummer guy’s lawyer. I’m suggesting it would be best if they each have their own criminal lawyer. Again, Jimmy was there as Pryce’s criminal attorney. Jimmy didn’t need a criminal lawyer because he wasn’t under investigation. Why would Jimmy need his own criminal lawyer there? ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/91 "2016-02-25T15:55:34Z")
> [@jsquire](#): > > Love this show, and kind of wondering if it could extend to examining other characters from the BB/ABQ universe. My wife suggests a show based on Saul Goodman’s bodyguard and says it should be titled “Huell Miss Me”. Suggested spin-offs: The Young Mike Erhmantraut Chronicles The Most Excellent Adventures of Badger and Skinny Pete Zen and the Art of Vacuum Repair - An ex-military man with a troubled past tries to find his place in the world, eventually finding meaning in helping others escape _their_ pasts. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/92 "2016-02-25T16:11:52Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > I’m not suggesting that Jimmy should act as the Hummer guy’s lawyer. I’m suggesting it would be best if they each have their own criminal lawyer. I’m confused by this statement. Each who? Are you suggesting that Jimmy should have his own lawyer? Why? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/93 "2016-02-25T16:13:23Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > Suggested spin-offs: > > The Young Mike Erhmantraut Chronicles > > The Most Excellent Adventures of Badger and Skinny Pete > > Zen and the Art of Vacuum Repair - An ex-military man with a troubled past tries to find his place in the world, eventually finding meaning in helping others escape _their_ pasts. Awesome! Daniel Wormald / Baseball Card Collecting: A Labor of Love ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/94 "2016-02-25T16:29:30Z")
Daniel Wormald and Gale Boetticher: “People let me tell you 'bout my best friend, he’s a warm hearted person who’ll love me till the end.” ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/95 "2016-02-25T17:28:27Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > … > My question is this: Is there going to be a Youtube video? Somebody gave it a try, and somehow managed to get it completely wrong. This is not exactly NSFW, but you’re probably better off clicking this on your own time and hardware. Hoboken Squat Cobbler [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/j1kMDdYVcFA/maxresdefault.jpg "Hoboken Squat Cobbler") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1kMDdYVcFA) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/96 "2016-02-25T17:31:50Z")
[quote=“davidm, post:95, topic:746804”] This is not exactly NSFW, but you’re probably better off clicking this on your own time and hardware. Hoboken Squat Cobbler [/QUOTE] A man dancing and whooping in his underwear while smearing chocolate syrup on himself is definitely NSFW. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/97 "2016-02-25T17:34:48Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > A man dancing and whooping in his underwear while smearing chocolate syrup on himself is definitely NSFW. It’s not pornographic and there’s no nudity but yeah, let’s call it NSFW. How he thought that it’s representative of what Saul described is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/98 "2016-02-25T17:55:20Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > It’s not pornographic and there’s no nudity but yeah, let’s call it NSFW. > > How he thought that it’s representative of what Saul described is beyond me. Ever seen the United States of Tara? There you have it. Fully clothed too. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/99 "2016-02-25T18:06:02Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Ever seen the United States of Tara? There you have it. Fully clothed too. I’ve never seen it. It’s about men sitting on pies? ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804/100 "2016-02-25T21:17:29Z")
> [@jsquire](#): > > Love this show, and kind of wondering if it could extend to examining other characters from the BB/ABQ universe. My wife suggests a show based on Saul Goodman’s bodyguard and says it should be titled “Huell Miss Me”. Nice. I propose: _The Breakfast Club, Redux_ (… starring Walt Jr., who else?) _Mineral Hour with Hank Schrader_ (more of a reality series) _Los Pollos Hermanos Con Salsa_ (about the rise of Gus) _The Other Color Purple_ (starring Marie) _Yeah Science, Bitch!_ (of course starring Jesse but also co-hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson) _Ground Control to Major Gale_ ([with this as the theme song)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wugY6HNLOCo) [quote=“davidm, post:95, topic:746804”] Somebody gave it a try, and somehow managed to get it completely wrong. This is not exactly NSFW, but you’re probably better off clicking this on your own time and hardware. Hoboken Squat Cobbler [/QUOTE] [This one predates the show and is actually Squat Cobbler](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Kq_PAo5Qw). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-02-cobbler-2-22-16/746804.md?page=6)