# Better Call Saul 2.04 "Gloves Off" 3/7/16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 8, 2016, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253 "2016-03-08T02:50:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/41 "2016-03-09T16:54:03Z")
So what did I miss - why was this called “gloves off”? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/42 "2016-03-09T16:58:20Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I think more of the concern was an “image” type of thing. I perceive a great deal of hypocrisy in the way many attys/firms view solicitation/advertising/image/etc. > > Whether you respect it or not, the Davis firm liked to view themselves as the type of firm who just doesn’t do “that sort of thing.” Of course, they wouldn’t be the first firm to perform all sorts of contortions when some terribly lucrative opportunity lands presents itself. > > But there are some “boutique” firms, which pride themselves on discrete service to wealthy, elite clients. They make enough money serving their clientele, and wouldn’t wish to risk that by advertising. YMMV but I definitely got a bottom-floor ambulance chaser vibe from that ad. Certainly not the kind of thing a firm of the calibre Davis&Main perceive themseleves to be would put in. There could be a middle ground between that and the pure text with swirls ad that would satisfy both camps, but Jimmy never gave it a chance. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/43 "2016-03-09T16:59:12Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > So what did I miss - why was this called “gloves off”? Mike let a guy beat him in the face, Jimmy tore into Chuck, and both law firms tore into Jimmy and Kim. I think 3 figurative and one literal thing where ‘the gloves are coming off now’ is enough justification for a title 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/44 "2016-03-09T17:26:22Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Yeah Chuck’s issue is not with light or sun, but with electricity and the waves thereof. Except that he kept his shades drawn twenty fours a day, even when the Sandpiper Crossing attorneys came over. And they always emphasize how blinding the light is when anyone emerges from Chuck’s house. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/45 "2016-03-09T17:35:02Z")
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**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/46 "2016-03-09T18:50:50Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > … > I loved the fact that Krazy-8 was wearing his uniform and driving the van from his father’s furniture store. I recognized Krazy-8 from his voice. I didn’t catch the uniform or the van. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/47 "2016-03-09T19:18:31Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Mike let a guy beat him in the face, Jimmy tore into Chuck, and both law firms tore into Jimmy and Kim. I think 3 figurative and one literal thing where ‘the gloves are coming off now’ is enough justification for a title 🙂 I suppose, but the other titles didn’t require that much of a stretch. ---
**Author:** ![monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monster)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/48 "2016-03-09T19:32:40Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Mike let a guy beat him in the face, Jimmy tore into Chuck, and both law firms tore into Jimmy and Kim. I think 3 figurative and one literal thing where ‘the gloves are coming off now’ is enough justification for a title 🙂 Also, when Mike was nursing his injuries with the frozen vegetables, he was holding a charm that had silver boxing gloves. Earlier in the day, when he was fighting Tuco, Tuco was wearing the charm on a necklace. We loved that we caught that. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/49 "2016-03-09T19:40:15Z")
Aha! Now that makes some sense. Is that a Golden Gloves thing? But they were silver - \ so I guess Tuco was a good amateur boxer when he was \<16 yrs old. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/50 "2016-03-09T20:37:55Z")
Wow, the Mike stuff is so much more interesting than the Jimmy stuff, it’s almost like they’re two different shows that occasionally cross over. Loved seeing Jim Beaver as the gun dealer again. I hope that the “repeat business” thing he mentioned means we’ll see him again. ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/51 "2016-03-09T20:44:51Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Aha! Now that makes some sense. Is that a Golden Gloves thing? But they were silver - \ so I guess Tuco was a good amateur boxer when he was \<16 yrs old. He [has them back](http://www.standbyformindcontrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tuco.jpg) by Breaking Bad. Hmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/52 "2016-03-09T20:50:28Z")
> [@blondebear](#): > > Nice to know that getting a piece of skull embedded in your neck doesn’t require going to a doctor. The veterinarian was still finishing his studies at American Samoa Medical College at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/53 "2016-03-09T21:35:52Z")
> [@Casey1505](#): > > The veterinarian was still finishing his studies at American Samoa Medical College at the time. This may already have been said in some other BCS thread, but: how great is it that Gilligan and Gould came up with a shady veterinarian? I mean–_that’s_ creative. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/54 "2016-03-09T21:45:03Z")
Biggest question for me from the episode is what the hell is Kim getting out of her relationship with Jimmy? We’ve got to be nearing the end for these two, am I right? ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/55 "2016-03-09T21:47:24Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > This may already have been said in some other BCS thread, but: how great is it that Gilligan and Gould came up with a shady veterinarian? I mean–_that’s_ creative. Nah, Trailer Park Boys did it first. [The vet Sam Losco](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho67yleXd-Q) is first introduced when the boys need him to take care of a dog who ate pot brownies. They also go to him to treat gunshot wounds. According to [TV Tropes](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BackAlleyDoctor) this is also a thing in _Inglorious Basterds_ and _Discworld_. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/56 "2016-03-09T22:23:05Z")
Disappointing about all the _other_ shady veterinarians, but even so: it’s all good, man. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/57 "2016-03-09T22:30:04Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Biggest question for me from the episode is what the hell is Kim getting out of her relationship with Jimmy? We’ve got to be nearing the end for these two, am I right? If it is the end, you know it will not end well, and I don’t mean just a breakup and she leaves the story. Any breakup will end badly for Kim. But I don’t think they will write her out so easily. I believe she still has a part to play in the transformation of Jimmy to Saul, before she comes to a bad end. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/58 "2016-03-09T22:34:50Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Biggest question for me from the episode is what the hell is Kim getting out of her relationship with Jimmy? We’ve got to be nearing the end for these two, am I right? I don’t know what she’s getting out of it, but Rhea Seehorn sells it very well. I think initially it was the excitement of the con they pulled, but she must be in denial over Jimmy’s ability to become a straight shooter. This isn’t all that uncommon. Some people think they can fix other people. Also… Jimmy’s pretty brilliant. She’s probably a little attracted to the fact that he’s not someone who follows the rules. On paper, I would never have believed that they were to get together in the first place, Seehorn and Odenkirk really made it work for me. Edit: I hope she doesn’t die. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/59 "2016-03-09T22:38:26Z")
I think that after all of the self righteous bullshit, Jimmy and/or Kim will find out that the firms are involved in something really shady and that they are all a bunch of hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253/60 "2016-03-09T22:45:59Z")
It’s interesting the kind of psychopath Tuco becomes when he does meth versus the kinder gentler psychopath he is when he’s clean. He was just as murderous last year when protecting his abuelita, but it was a very different kind of murderous- more controlled. I wonder if his uncle Hector is going to be on the show, and if he is I wonder if he’ll be walking and talking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-04-gloves-off-3-7-16/748253.md?page=4)