# Better Call Saul 2.06 "Bali Ha'i" 3/21/16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 21, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801 "2016-03-21T22:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/41 "2016-03-23T15:00:25Z")
We do a lot of things by habit. One time I left my phone at my mother’s house when I left there to run an errand for her. At the store I realized that I didn’t have my phone and my first thought was to call her and ask if I had left my phone there. Of course I couldn’t do that since I didn’t have my phone, but it illustrates the force of habit. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/42 "2016-03-23T15:23:04Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > They’re 60 miles of Texas highway apart - What you talkin’ about Willis? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/43 "2016-03-23T15:43:59Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I thought Jimmy’s continued frustration with - and apparent amnesia regarding the cupholder was a weak point. Show of hands - how long would you have a car before realizing that your favorite cup didn’t fit the cupholder? Yet, each time you’d be surprised and frustrated that it didn’t fit, dropping the cup on the car floor, and finally taking a tire iron to the cupholder? At best, these repeated references say something about Jimmy than makes me like and care about him less. I’ve had my present car for 10 years and I still forget that certain size cans won’t fit in the cupholder. I can easily see forgetting that a cup won’t fit for weeks after getting a new car, particularly when distracted. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/44 "2016-03-23T15:44:14Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > I also missed the mark kissing his SO goodbye, and wondered about Kim picking an innocent victim. I half expected Jimmy to call the scam off when he didn’t get the “scumbag” vibe from the guy. > > I don’t understand why Kim is reluctant to take the job offer. Is it the ethical issue? Jimmy seems to genuinely want what’s best for the Sandpiper residents, and he didn’t object. (True, he’s not in a position to lecture anyone about their ethical duties, but he could have given voice to Kim’s misgivings without endorsing them.) And from a dramatic standpoint, they didn’t make it seem like a real conflict of interest. They had Kim bring it up only to have the other lawyer quickly and plausibly dismiss it, which is usually dramatic shorthand for “We know some audience members will be concerned about this, so we’re getting it out of the way. It’s not where we’re going.” > > Vince Gilligan does love to subvert those dramatic shorthand tropes, but I don’t see the reason here. What does Kim think she owes HHM? Does she feel guilty about sticking up for Jimmy? Then why is she embracing his rebellious side? Is it just that she realizes that unlike Jimmy, she _doesn’t_ know who she really is or what she wants? If Kim took that job, her new bosses at her new firm would never fully trust her. Afterall, if she abandoned HHM for their opponent in the middle of a big case, what’s keeping her from eventually doing the same to them? What else would she be willing to do? If they hired her, she’d be stuck in even more of a dead end job than she is now. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/45 "2016-03-23T16:14:44Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I’ve had my present car for 10 years and I still forget that certain size cans won’t fit in the cupholder. I can easily see forgetting that a cup won’t fit for weeks after getting a new car, particularly when distracted. I guess I can understand cans, but for me, as soon as I get a new car, I figure out what cup is going to work with it. That Jimmy hasn’t thought to do that says something to me. And **Voltaire** , don’t put too much stock in the new firm’s trust. Lawyers don’t trust each other - as a whole, they are self interested and opportunistic. So long as she is doing - and more importantly bringing in - the work, they’ll love her. And as soon as she stops either, they’ll kick her ass to the curb. More realistic IMO is that the firm really doesn’t want to hire her. Instead, they just want to mess with the ongoing case, and would be happy for her to quit her job and then withdraw their offer. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/46 "2016-03-23T16:28:53Z")
Who is the actor playing the lawyer trying to get Kim to leave HHM? He reminds me a lot of Ron Silver, but of course he’s dead. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_John_Marcej)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/47 "2016-03-23T16:38:55Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Who is the actor playing the lawyer trying to get Kim to leave HHM? He reminds me a lot of Ron Silver, but of course he’s dead. Dennis Boutsikaris. He’s played lawyers on **Law & Order** in the past. Yeah, he does remind me of Ron Silver ---
**Author:** ![rock\_party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@rock\_party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rock_party)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/48 "2016-03-23T16:41:04Z")
When Jimmy couldn’t fit the cup into the holder and finally settled for between his thighs, it brought up the McDonalds coffee case where the lady burned her cooch for doing the same. In Albuquerque. I’m thinking Mike is going to call Jimmy when he has to go to court about the gun “really being his”. Tuco is going to be all kinds of pissed when he gets out early…at Mike and at Nacho. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/49 "2016-03-23T16:46:48Z")
> [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#): > > Don’t know about that. I’m guessing ad time for that time of the morning are much cheaper than running in the afternoon during “Murder She Wrote”. In fact it might be so cheap that if it runs for a few weeks it’s total cost might be the same as the one time Jimmy ran it. > > But D&M really doesn’t care about getting the bang for their buck. Jimmy said how much the ad fee was in “Gloves Off.” It only cost $700 to run the ad once during “Murder She Wrote.” That doesn’t seem like that much to me. ETA: Well yeah middle of the night would probably be a lot cheaper, but I don’t think the cost had anything to do with why it was on so late. It aired then to show how poorly Davis & Main went about doing the commercial as compared to Jimmy. Boring middle of the night vs emotional during heavily watched show. > [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#): > > Dennis Boutsikaris. He’s played lawyers on **Law & Order** in the past. > Yeah, he does remind me of Ron Silver :eek::smack: Until right now I thought that **was** Ron Silver! I totally forgot that he died! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/50 "2016-03-23T16:58:56Z")
> [@rock\_party](#): > > Tuco is going to be all kinds of pissed when he gets out early…at Mike and at Nacho. Well he’s crazy so maybe, but he has no reason to be pissed at Nacho. Nacho told him it was time to roll but Tuco said for Nacho to leave without him. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/51 "2016-03-23T17:23:08Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I guess I can understand cans, but for me, as soon as I get a new car, I figure out what cup is going to work with it. That Jimmy hasn’t thought to do that says something to me. It was the cup that Kim gave him as a present, so I’m sure he wants to keep using it (and it fit in his old car), so simply forgets now and again that it doesn’t fit. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/52 "2016-03-23T17:56:09Z")
> [@rock\_party](#): > > When Jimmy couldn’t fit the cup into the holder and finally settled for between his thighs, it brought up the McDonalds coffee case where the lady burned her cooch for doing the same. In Albuquerque. > I’m thinking Mike is going to call Jimmy when he has to go to court about the gun “really being his”. Tuco is going to be all kinds of pissed when he gets out early…at Mike and at Nacho. I think that may end up differently. If he doesn’t know what happened, Nacho is fine - he hung around until Tuco told him to take off, and kept their money safe. If he knows what happened then he’ll want Nacho dead (and that might even be what Saul is worried about when he’s introduced in Breaking Bad). Nacho betrayed him, and that’s going to make him mad. I can see him not holding a grudge against Mike though - if he doesn’t know what happened, then it’s possible that he sees it as he and Mike had a fight, and now it’s over, especially since Mike (presumably) helped get his gun charges removed. Even if he knows what happened, I can see him not going after Mike. Mike didn’t betray him (unlike Nacho) so he could view the whole thing as just business, and he might respect the balls of a guy who picks a fight and loses it to make a point, plus Mike will probably be officially off-limits by then anyway. (I don’t think it has to be that way, but it would fit with Tuco’s personality for me). > [@Omar\_Little](#): > > What you talkin’ about Willis? LOL I usually think of all of the big open Southwest as ‘Texas highways’ for some reason, but yeah, that’s actually not the right State. ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/53 "2016-03-23T18:14:44Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > What you talkin’ about Willis? He should have taken the left turn at Albuquerque. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/54 "2016-03-23T18:38:13Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I guess I can understand cans, but for me, as soon as I get a new car, I figure out what cup is going to work with it. That Jimmy hasn’t thought to do that says something to me. Personalities differ. Some people would be very focused on the issue, and would devote time and energy to solving the discrepancy. Others wouldn’t give it a thought other than in the moment when the cup won’t drop. Then it would be displaced in their thoughts by other matters, until the next time. > [@Dinsdale](#): > > And **Voltaire** , don’t put too much stock in the new firm’s trust. Lawyers don’t trust each other - as a whole, they are self interested and opportunistic. So long as she is doing - and more importantly bringing in - the work, they’ll love her. And as soon as she stops either, they’ll kick her ass to the curb. > > More realistic IMO is that the firm really doesn’t want to hire her. Instead, they just want to mess with the ongoing case, and would be happy for her to quit her job and then withdraw their offer. Yes, it seems unlikely that Kim would have a good experience if she says ‘yes’ to the offer. But what was up with Howard leaving Kim to handle the hearing alone–other than as a plot device, to give Schweikart a good story to use in trying to manipulate Kim? Even though (as we’ve been told) the case isn’t the only one HHM is dealing with, it IS a big-money case. “Showing Kim Who’s Boss” doesn’t seem worth the risks incurred by having only one HHM lawyer present. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/55 "2016-03-23T19:05:10Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > But what was up with Howard leaving Kim to handle the hearing alone–other than as a plot device, to give Schweikart a good story to use in trying to manipulate Kim? Even though (as we’ve been told) the case isn’t the only one HHM is dealing with, it IS a big-money case. “Showing Kim Who’s Boss” doesn’t seem worth the risks incurred by having only one HHM lawyer present. Fighting this one request won’t make or break the case. It was a loser. So making her fight it by herself is both a degrading chore, like doc review, but it also keeps Howard from being involved in a loser argument. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/56 "2016-03-23T19:20:35Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > What really struck me last night was how slowly the show moved. I don’t mean that in a bad way, but if you broke down the number of extended scenes where not much obvert “ACTION” occurs, there’s be quite a few. For example: the entire verse of Bali Hai, preceded by several seconds of Kim waiting for the phone to ring; A protracted shot of Kim in the bar; seemed like several minutes of Jimmy tossing in bed and playing with the woven balls… Yet by the end of each hour the characters have developed and the plot has progressed. Impressive. > > I thought Jimmy’s continued frustration with - and apparent amnesia regarding the cupholder was a weak point. Show of hands - how long would you have a car before realizing that your favorite cup didn’t fit the cupholder? Yet, each time you’d be surprised and frustrated that it didn’t fit, dropping the cup on the car floor, and finally taking a tire iron to the cupholder? At best, these repeated references say something about Jimmy than makes me like and care about him less. > > They sure are doing a good job of accurately portraying a dickish law partner in Howard. There are tons of them out there IRL. What I thought more telling than Kim’s willingness to scam the engineer was her (and Jimmy’s) willingness to simply abandon work they were expected to do. Your private firm career doesn’t just bounce back from that sort of thing. Unless Kim really is going to get the props she deserves from bringing in the bank business… > > And yeah, I didn’t see the job offer as legit, and was disappointed that she was not more professional in her handling of it - figuring out exactly what was on the table, and how to manipulate it for her advantage. I see her career going down the tubes pretty quickly. Jimmy’s going to lose his job too, but at least we know he will be reincarnated. Neither one will lose their jobs. They will quit and start a new company known as Saul Goodman, Esq. and be their own bosses. Until they crash and burn of course (maybe not Jimmy—he seems to do alright as a criminal lawyer). ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/57 "2016-03-23T19:21:36Z")
> [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#): > > Dennis Boutsikaris. He’s played lawyers on **Law & Order** in the past. > > Yeah, he does remind me of Ron Silver And Chris Sarandon. That’s who I always mistake him for. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/58 "2016-03-23T19:25:12Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Fighting this one request won’t make or break the case. It was a loser. So making her fight it by herself is both a degrading chore, like doc review, but it also keeps Howard from being involved in a loser argument. Yeah, that makes sense. It’s notable that Kim is turning out to be one of the more interesting characters created by Gilligan and Gould—while having no presence at all (never even mentioned) in _Breaking Bad_. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/59 "2016-03-23T19:39:38Z")
> [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#): > > Dennis Boutsikaris. He’s played lawyers on **Law & Order** in the past. > Yeah, he does remind me of Ron Silver I thought it was John Pyper-Ferguson, who plays a lawyer on ‘Suits’. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/60 "2016-03-23T19:41:32Z")
> [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#): > > Don’t know about that. I’m guessing ad time for that time of the morning are much cheaper than running in the afternoon during “Murder She Wrote”. In fact it might be so cheap that if it runs for a few weeks it’s total cost might be the same as the one time Jimmy ran it. > > But D&M really doesn’t care about getting the bang for their buck. It doesn’t matter how cheap the ad time is if nobody watches it. The thing about Jimmy is that he knows how to get results, even if his methods are…unorthodox. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801.md?page=4)