# Better Call Saul 2.06 "Bali Ha'i" 3/21/16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 21, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801 "2016-03-21T22:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/61 "2016-03-23T21:24:56Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > It’s notable that Kim is turning out to be one of the more interesting characters created by Gilligan and Gould—while having no presence at all (never even mentioned) in _Breaking Bad_. Really? What do you think is interesting about her? I think she’s pretty bland; just a nice outlet for Jimmy to have some fun with and serve as somewhat of a conscience to him. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/62 "2016-03-24T01:27:08Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Personalities differ. Some people would be very focused on the issue, and would devote time and energy to solving the discrepancy. Others wouldn’t give it a thought other than in the moment when the cup won’t drop. Then it would be displaced in their thoughts by other matters, until the next time. > . And he got the cup before taking possession of the car. And the cup was a gift. “Sorry, don’t want it. It MIGHT not fit in the cup holder.” ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/63 "2016-03-24T02:16:26Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well he’s crazy so maybe, but he has no reason to be pissed at Nacho. Nacho told him it was time to roll but Tuco said for Nacho to leave without him. Tuco is someone who beats members of his own gang to death for agreeing with him. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/64 "2016-03-24T02:18:39Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Tuco is someone who beats members of his own gang to death for agreeing with him. So tell me Nacho, would you say I have a plethora of pinatas? ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/65 "2016-03-24T02:49:41Z")
Did anyone else catch the inconsistent shot of Mikes parking job? He pulls up and there is a close up of his tire touching or nearly touching the curb but when he gets out of the car its about a foot away? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/66 "2016-03-24T04:00:57Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Really? What do you think is interesting about her? I think she’s pretty bland; just a nice outlet for Jimmy to have some fun with and serve as somewhat of a conscience to him. I’m with **Sherrerd** on this one. I don’t find Kim bland or just a foil, but increasingly one of the driving forces of the narrative( with Jimmy and Mike ). Beside the fact that I think Rhea Seehorn is hitting it out of the park with her acting, I really like the way Kim is written. Independent, ambitious, highly intelligent, cool sense of humor, basically a moral person but with just that _carefully_ controlled touch of being willing to “roll around in the dirt” and get dangerous with Jimmy. I really don’t think Jimmy would have been stuck on her for years ( as he obviously has been ) if she was just another hot blond lawyer - she’s capable of interacting with him as an equal. And I think Seehorn and Odenkirk’s chemistry as a couple is excellent. But then I’m not one of those that prefer the more BB-ish Mike storyline. Jimmy and Kim’s slower-paced scenes work just as well for me. Love the show so far. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/67 "2016-03-24T12:37:44Z")
> [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#): > > Dennis Boutsikaris. He’s played lawyers on **Law & Order** in the past. > Yeah, he does remind me of Ron Silver Wasn’t he the asshole ex-husband of one of the assistant ADA’s (Jaimie Ross, iirc)? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/68 "2016-03-24T14:45:06Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > Did anyone else catch the inconsistent shot of Mikes parking job? He pulls up and there is a close up of his tire touching or nearly touching the curb but when he gets out of the car its about a foot away? The Mrs. pointed that out to me as we watched, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/69 "2016-03-24T14:50:30Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > Did anyone else catch the inconsistent shot of Mikes parking job? He pulls up and there is a close up of his tire touching or nearly touching the curb but when he gets out of the car its about a foot away? Ok, good. I wasn’t the only one! ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_John_Marcej)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/70 "2016-03-24T15:23:40Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Wasn’t he the asshole ex-husband of one of the assistant ADA’s (Jaimie Ross, iirc)? No that was Keith Szarabajka > **[Keith Szarabajka | Actor, Writer, Soundtrack](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0843775/?ref_=tt_cl_t7)** > > Known for: Transformers: Dark of the Moon, The Dark Knight, Argo ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/71 "2016-03-24T16:48:02Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > She only decided to fuck with the guy when she saw him kiss his SO good bye before heading into the bar and then hitting on her. Am I the only one who thought she was not his SO, but just some random gal he managed to impress and court? ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/72 "2016-03-24T16:52:33Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > Am I the only one who thought she was not his SO, but just some random gal he managed to impress and court? I believe ‘he kissed his wife goodbye’ is what Kim saw, since it explains her wanting to scam him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he comes back later (exposing Kim) and it turns out he isn’t even married, though. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/73 "2016-03-24T17:37:34Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > I believe ‘he kissed his wife goodbye’ is what Kim saw, since it explains her wanting to scam him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he comes back later (exposing Kim) and it turns out he isn’t even married, though. This is something I’ve wondered about. Kim didn’t go there looking to scam someone, so was this a place where she often hangs out? If so, she could run into this guy again. Worse, this guy could have second thoughts, decide he may have been scammed, stop payment on the check (which he assumes will be cashed), and report the incident to the police along with descriptions of her and Jimmy. If he is married it’s unlikely he’ll report it, but if he’s not he might. She’s playing very foolish games. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/74 "2016-03-24T18:40:35Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > This is something I’ve wondered about. Kim didn’t go there looking to scam someone, so was this a place where she often hangs out? If so, she could run into this guy again. Worse, this guy could have second thoughts, decide he may have been scammed, stop payment on the check (which he assumes will be cashed), and report the incident to the police along with descriptions of her and Jimmy. Now that I think of it, Mike and Kim are making pretty much the same mistake from opposite directions. Kim is a lawyer at a big name firm, looks pretty distinct (people have commented on her outfits), and is operating near where she regularly works at the kind of establishment where people like her regularly hang out. She’s pretty much bound to get caught unless she gets plot immunity. Mike was operating under the table and not letting much info about himself get out, but staged the Tuco fight so that the police would see, which made his real identity a matter of public record, which led to the cousins’ visit. (He should have remembered his own advice to baseball card guy). Mike managed to badass his way out of getting caught, but I don’t think Kim has those options. Slippin’ Jimmy never really had to worry about getting caught scamming, because he was a nondescript guy bouncing around bars in a big city. There wasn’t really a James McGill for anyone to run into on the ‘legit’ side or track down. And I get the impression that he never got in legal trouble for the stuff he did in bars, his legal troubles were either for doing big stuff or for non-scam stuff like pooping in the sunroof. You also notice that when Jimmy scammed exploding car guy at the pool bar, it wasn’t somewhere he usually goes or tied in to his regular work. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/75 "2016-03-24T19:08:34Z")
> [@Leo\_Krupe](#): > > It was really telling to me how Jimmy couldn’t sleep in the HHM provided place, then went back to the salon, pulled out the bed, laid down, and smiled. To me, that was a hint of Saul. Jimmy was home where he belonged. That was a great opening, with Jimmy watching TV, and playing with the decorative balls and throwing them and kicking them around. And I don’t know if it’s so much that he belongs at the salon, as much as he doesn’t belong in the corporate world. > [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#): > > Don’t know about that. I’m guessing ad time for that time of the morning are much cheaper than running in the afternoon during “Murder She Wrote”. In fact it might be so cheap that if it runs for a few weeks it’s total cost might be the same as the one time Jimmy ran it. > > But D&M really doesn’t care about getting the bang for their buck. It’s not only the time, but it’s what type of ad is run. Jimmy’s ad was “less respectable” or whatever they said, but much more effective. The swirly ad won’t scare anyone away with it being unprofessional, but it also won’t be effective, might as well not run an ad at all. > [@Pantastic](#): > > Now that I think of it, Mike and Kim are making pretty much the same mistake from opposite directions. Kim is a lawyer at a big name firm, looks pretty distinct (people have commented on her outfits), and is operating near where she regularly works at the kind of establishment where people like her regularly hang out. She’s pretty much bound to get caught unless she gets plot immunity. Mike was operating under the table and not letting much info about himself get out, but staged the Tuco fight so that the police would see, which made his real identity a matter of public record, which led to the cousins’ visit. (He should have remembered his own advice to baseball card guy). Mike managed to badass his way out of getting caught, but I don’t think Kim has those options. > > Slippin’ Jimmy never really had to worry about getting caught scamming, because he was a nondescript guy bouncing around bars in a big city. There wasn’t really a James McGill for anyone to run into on the ‘legit’ side or track down. And I get the impression that he never got in legal trouble for the stuff he did in bars, his legal troubles were either for doing big stuff or for non-scam stuff like pooping in the sunroof. You also notice that when Jimmy scammed exploding car guy at the pool bar, it wasn’t somewhere he usually goes or tied in to his regular work. I’d be surprised if the scam hurts Kim at all. I’m pretty sure she wasn’t at the same bar as from earlier in the episode, Albuquerque isn’t a tiny city, she never cashed the check, and she was working with Jimmy, who is much more practiced in this. I think he’d be able to read the situation better and say “Oh Giselle, look at the time, we got to go” if it looked like the mark would be an issue. Now if she keeps running scams like this for the thrills, even if she doesn’t cash any future checks it could eventually blow up in her face. Especially if someone from work sees her doing it. But I don’t think the scam will hurt her. Ditching work when Howard wanted her to finish some work immediately might hurt her, but not the scam. I think there was just another scam to show her dissatisfaction with work. She so desperately wanted to be in the partners good graces again, and she was able to move back into her office, but she’s given the silent treatment by Howard. I like Kim and what they are doing with her. She wants the good respectable life path, but she’s seen how she and Jimmy have been unfairly treated by HHM. But also she’s not the nagging buzzkill female love interest like in some shows, she’s willing to join in on the protagonist’s rule bending, even if she won’t go all the way to rule breaking. I have no idea what she’ll do. The Schweikart job sounds good, but it can be hard to leave a job where you’re comfortable. I am curious about how often things like that happen, where a firm hires someone from opposing counsel like that. I’m guessing it’s not shady, since Kim didn’t seem to think there was anything morally wrong with it after she was reassured that they wouldn’t have her work on Sandpiper or ask her what HHM’s plan would be. But I don’t know how common that is, or how well that’s thought of. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/76 "2016-03-24T19:16:47Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I’m pretty sure she wasn’t at the same bar as from earlier in the episode, Albuquerque isn’t a tiny city, Pretty sure it was the same bar. She was drinking from the same distinctive copper mug in both scenes iirc. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/77 "2016-03-24T19:30:05Z")
Correction on a quick check: at the bar she ordered the drink that the opposing counsel guy had in the first scene with the copper mug. I will say we definitely are meant to know it’s the same place. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/78 "2016-03-24T19:38:07Z")
The episode is getting a bit fuzzy for me- but didn’t she go back after Howard tried to get her to do some paperwork instead of having her lunch? So she just walked out when his assistant told her to do it? I think going back to the restaurant she got the offer and ordering the drink she said no to at lunch was symbolic of her continuing realization that she was not being treated properly at HHM. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/79 "2016-03-24T19:43:28Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Correction on a quick check: at the bar she ordered the drink that the opposing counsel guy had in the first scene with the copper mug. I will say we definitely are meant to know it’s the same place. No. That drink (Moscow Mule) is traditionally served in a copper mug like that. It was mentioned in the episode. > **[Moscow mule](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_mule)** > > A Moscow mule is a cocktail made with vodka, ginger beer and lime juice, garnished with a slice or wedge of lime, and a sprig of mint. The drink, being a type of buck, is sometimes called vodka buck. It is popularly served in a copper mug, which takes on the cold temperature of the liquid. > Some public health advisories recommend copper mugs with a protective coating (such as stainless steel) on the inside and the lip, to reduce the risk of copper toxicity. > Due to the popularity of the Moscow ... ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/80 "2016-03-24T19:53:04Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Really? What do you think is interesting about her? I think she’s pretty bland; just a nice outlet for Jimmy to have some fun with and serve as somewhat of a conscience to him. > [@Tamerlane](#): > > I’m with **Sherrerd** on this one. I don’t find Kim bland or just a foil, but increasingly one of the driving forces of the narrative( with Jimmy and Mike ). Beside the fact that I think Rhea Seehorn is hitting it out of the park with her acting, I really like the way Kim is written. Independent, ambitious, highly intelligent, cool sense of humor, basically a moral person but with just that _carefully_ controlled touch of being willing to “roll around in the dirt” and get dangerous with Jimmy. I really don’t think Jimmy would have been stuck on her for years ( as he obviously has been ) if she was just another hot blond lawyer - she’s capable of interacting with him as an equal. Well-said–I couldn’t have come up with a better answer. Also: > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > ``` > ...I like Kim and what they are doing with her. She wants the good respectable life path, but she's seen how she and Jimmy have been unfairly treated by HHM. But also she's not the nagging buzzkill female love interest like in some shows, ... > > ``` This is also pretty much what I would have answered, had others not answered first: Kim, as written, isn’t a plot device (the “nagging buzzkill female love interest” in this case). She’s not there merely to be an obstacle or reward for the main character; it’s much more complex than that. She makes decisions and has flaws that aren’t necessarily anything to do with the main character. Similarly, Nacho isn’t a stereotypical thug; he’s three-dimensional. He does thuggish things sometimes, but he also works with his dad at the dad’s business and is amused by the badass-pretensions of Hummer guy and is exasperated by his unhinged, unpredictable crime-gang boss. (Gilligan and Gould: these guys are good!) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801.md?page=5)