# Better Call Saul 2.06 "Bali Ha'i" 3/21/16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 21, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801 "2016-03-21T22:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/81 "2016-03-24T19:55:39Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > No. That drink (Moscow Mule) is traditionally served in a copper mug like that. It was mentioned in the episode. > > [Moscow mule - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_mule) Huh. Still, it’s a pretty distinctive pitted copper mug and despite that’s the way it’s traditionally served, I doubt that a tonne of places have a bunch of copper mugs (eta: or even ginger beer) in back just in case someone orders a Moscow Mule. I think I’ll stand by the idea that we are supposed to assume it’s the same place. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/82 "2016-03-24T19:56:14Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > No. That drink (Moscow Mule) is traditionally served in a copper mug like that. It was mentioned in the episode. > > [Moscow mule - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_mule) I think the point is that specific drink, which is served in a easily identifiable copper mug, is an indication that she’s at the same restaurant. The idea is not that it’s unique to that restaurant, but it’s a tell to the audience. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/83 "2016-03-24T20:21:30Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I think the point is that specific drink, which is served in a easily identifiable copper mug, is an indication that she’s at the same restaurant. The idea is not that it’s unique to that restaurant, but it’s a tell to the audience. As per the wiki ( nice insight wiki ) I think it is more of a tell on the “fuck you” to Hamblin and HHM. Earlier she had refused to take one at lunch with Schweikart, but after angrily storming off to have lunch after Hamblin tried to saddle her with busy work, she orders one for herself. ---
**Author:** ![soonerblue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soonerblue/32/3302_2.png) [@soonerblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soonerblue)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/84 "2016-03-25T09:45:37Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Yeah, that’s a safe bet.The entire “next time on” preview at the end of the show was all about Jimmy buying flashy Saul clothes and walking into his offices in a colorful suit. I saw a BCS promo last night, quick shots of him in an orange suit, and in a silver suit at work. I honestly don’t remember seeing these after the show…maybe I was on the phone and only my mind’s eye caught it. I’d be silly to present it as my idea when the whole world saw it. Boy I can’t wait until the next show! Looks as if Jimmy truly has one foot in Saul and the other on a banana peel. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/85 "2016-03-25T10:59:09Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > As per the wiki ( nice insight wiki ) I think it is more of a tell on the “fuck you” to Hamblin and HHM. Earlier she had refused to take one at lunch with Schweikart, but after angrily storming off to have lunch after Hamblin tried to saddle her with busy work, she orders one for herself. That’s what remember too. It was after she was annoyed at Howard and it’s supposed to be a tell that she went back to the restaurant she got an offer at to have that drink (and probably think hard about the offer). ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/86 "2016-03-25T13:04:14Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I think the point is that specific drink, which is served in a easily identifiable copper mug, is an indication that she’s at the same restaurant. The idea is not that it’s unique to that restaurant, but it’s a tell to the audience. I’d think a clearer “tell” could be based on the shots of the restaurant/bar. As I recalled it, the restaurant was a pretty upscale joint, where they knew the name partner by name. White table cloths, rich decor. The bar impressed me as more of a hotel bar, with more modern furnishings. Sure, they might be associated, but I didn’t see anything other than the mug to suggest they were the same. Also, I’m not sure how big these cities really are, but I had no reason to believe the firms, courthouse, and restaurant/bar were all near each other. The partner took Kim out to lunch straight from the courthouse. Later, after she went back to her office, she went out for drinks straight from her office. Living in and practicing law in a big city, it never crossed my mind that the places would necessarily be closely located. If I wanted to go out to drink or eat, there were restaurants and bars near my offices, and restaurants/bars near the various courts. I think the drink itself was an anachronism. MMs are REALLY popular right now - not sure they were 10 years ago or whenever BCS is supposedly set. My wife has recently developed a taste for MMs, and we bought some mugs - very similar to the ones in the show, just before x-mas. We got [these](http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/copper-moscow-mule-mug/?pkey=e%7Ccopper%2Bmug%7C131%7Cbest%7C0%7C1%7C24%7C%7C1&cm_src=PRODUCTSEARCH). Since we had been in the market for the mugs, I noted that the handles on the ones in the show were different than ours - but I know I’d seen them before. Once you look for this kind of thing, there really are not unlimited options. Google Moscow mule mug and you’ll see ones with the “kinked” handle as on the show. When I saw the same mug, my impression was that the show goofed, by using the exact same mug in the 2 different settings. Further supporting my impression that the bar was in a hotel, was the engineer kissing his SO. I didn’t know whether she was a wife, girlfriend, casual pickup, or hooker. And I didn’t feel I needed to know. The idea that he would bounce from one woman to trying to pick up another was skeezy enough. Interesting how different people can view the same thing and get different impressions. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/87 "2016-03-25T18:40:02Z")
Rhea Seehorn is a great actor, and I hope she’s gets some recognition come award season. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/88 "2016-03-25T18:59:35Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I’d think a clearer “tell” could be based on the shots of the restaurant/bar. As I recalled it, the restaurant was a pretty upscale joint, where they knew the name partner by name. White table cloths, rich decor. The bar impressed me as more of a hotel bar, with more modern furnishings. Sure, they might be associated, but I didn’t see anything other than the mug to suggest they were the same. > > Also, I’m not sure how big these cities really are, but I had no reason to believe the firms, courthouse, and restaurant/bar were all near each other. The partner took Kim out to lunch straight from the courthouse. Later, after she went back to her office, she went out for drinks straight from her office. Living in and practicing law in a big city, it never crossed my mind that the places would necessarily be closely located. If I wanted to go out to drink or eat, there were restaurants and bars near my offices, and restaurants/bars near the various courts. > > I think the drink itself was an anachronism. MMs are REALLY popular right now - not sure they were 10 years ago or whenever BCS is supposedly set. > > My wife has recently developed a taste for MMs, and we bought some mugs - very similar to the ones in the show, just before x-mas. We got [these](http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/copper-moscow-mule-mug/?pkey=e%7Ccopper%2Bmug%7C131%7Cbest%7C0%7C1%7C24%7C%7C1&cm_src=PRODUCTSEARCH). Since we had been in the market for the mugs, I noted that the handles on the ones in the show were different than ours - but I know I’d seen them before. Once you look for this kind of thing, there really are not unlimited options. Google Moscow mule mug and you’ll see ones with the “kinked” handle as on the show. When I saw the same mug, my impression was that the show goofed, by using the exact same mug in the 2 different settings. > > Further supporting my impression that the bar was in a hotel, was the engineer kissing his SO. I didn’t know whether she was a wife, girlfriend, casual pickup, or hooker. And I didn’t feel I needed to know. The idea that he would bounce from one woman to trying to pick up another was skeezy enough. > > Interesting how different people can view the same thing and get different impressions. ok, you had me doubting myself so I just double checked. Same place. Same white columns. Same long hanging amber ceiling lights. Same yellow leather backed chairs in the dining area. We’re just seeing it from different angles in the 3 scenes. And Karen mentions that ordering the Moscow Mule is “vintage” so I would say they are acknowledging it’s not a particularly popular drink at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/89 "2016-03-25T20:21:03Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I think the drink itself was an anachronism. MMs are REALLY popular right now - not sure they were 10 years ago or whenever BCS is supposedly set. My impression is that it’s a quirky preference of the partner, he loves this specific drink and found a place that does one he likes in a proper copper mug. I don’t think there’s anything at all anachronistic about a place having it (it’s not like copper mugs or the drink are new), and they don’t imply that it’s got any particular popularity for anyone but him - Kim seemed to need his explanation of what it is, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/90 "2016-03-26T02:17:33Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > ok, you had me doubting myself so I just double checked. Same place. Same white columns. Same long hanging amber ceiling lights. Same yellow leather backed chairs in the dining area. We’re just seeing it from different angles in the 3 scenes. Cool. Thanks for checking. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/91 "2016-03-29T03:11:54Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I thought Jimmy’s continued frustration with - and apparent amnesia regarding the cupholder was a weak point. Show of hands - how long would you have a car before realizing that your favorite cup didn’t fit the cupholder? Yet, each time you’d be surprised and frustrated that it didn’t fit, dropping the cup on the car floor, and finally taking a tire iron to the cupholder? At best, these repeated references say something about Jimmy than makes me like and care about him less. > . . . > > What I thought more telling than Kim’s willingness to scam the engineer was her (and Jimmy’s) willingness to simply abandon work they were expected to do. Your private firm career doesn’t just bounce back from that sort of thing. Unless Kim really is going to get the props she deserves from bringing in the bank business… > . . . > > I see her career going down the tubes pretty quickly. Jimmy’s going to lose his job too, but at least we know he will be reincarnated. > [@Dinsdale](#): > > I guess I can understand cans, but for me, as soon as I get a new car, I figure out what cup is going to work with it. That Jimmy hasn’t thought to do that says something to me. > . . . I just got a new car, and I can attest that I still carry out one of my favorite crappy dollar store plastic cups at least once a week. They don’t fit in the cup holders. I briefly considered copying Jimmy’s solution. The symbolism there, I thought, was that he had his priorities straight in his head. Whatever else was in or about his life, it was going to have to adjust itself to Kim. Just as he was willing to quit the law to get his big brother off her back, he will also ditch this job at her beck, and trash any part of the car or anything else to make it fit around her. He knows what he wants. I think the whole exploration for her right now is this inability to walk away from dysfunction. She knows that Chuck is right, she can’t have the safe, ordered, predictable and slightly luxurious life she has worked so hard for if she wants to keep Jimmy. She has clearly come out of a hard start in life, and hasn’t found any fun in this new one. Only by dipping a toe back into the old one with Jimmy can she really laugh. Likewise, she’s been offered a job with a clear path and a complete escape from the nightmare of Chuck and his games, but she doesn’t trust it. She can’t feel right about something so neat. The dysfunction sucks, but it sucks her back in. It;s the same reason he sleeps better at the salon. It has none of the perks, but the familiar calls nonetheless. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Personalities differ. Some people would be very focused on the issue, and would devote time and energy to solving the discrepancy. Others wouldn’t give it a thought other than in the moment when the cup won’t drop. Then it would be displaced in their thoughts by other matters, until the next time. > . . . > > Yes, it seems unlikely that Kim would have a good experience if she says ‘yes’ to the offer. > > But what was up with Howard leaving Kim to handle the hearing alone–other than as a plot device, to give Schweikart a good story to use in trying to manipulate Kim? Even though (as we’ve been told) the case isn’t the only one HHM is dealing with, it IS a big-money case. “Showing Kim Who’s Boss” doesn’t seem worth the risks incurred by having only one HHM lawyer present. Howard isn’t really the a$$hat at HHM. It’s Chuck. Howard follows Chuck’s demands, and tries to soften it when he can. Since his father’s death he can’t run the place without Chuck, and buying Chuck out would bankrupt him, so he has to toe the line wherever Chuck draws it. Even if it means playing games with Kim, and Charlie hustle - both of whom he likes - at Chuck’s whim. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/92 "2016-03-29T03:30:29Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Beside the fact that I think Rhea Seehorn is hitting it out of the park with her acting, I really like the way Kim is written. Independent, ambitious, highly intelligent, cool sense of humor, basically a moral person but with just that _carefully_ controlled touch of being willing to “roll around in the dirt” and get dangerous with Jimmy. I really don’t think Jimmy would have been stuck on her for years ( as he obviously has been ) if she was just another hot blond lawyer - she’s capable of interacting with him as an equal. And I think Seehorn and Odenkirk’s chemistry as a couple is excellent. What makes it even. Ore compelling for me is knowing it will end tragically - not necessarily that Kim will die or anything, but his Transformation into Saul Goodman will ruin it. And the thing is, they love each other. ---
**Author:** ![Scribble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scribble/32/3317_2.png) [@Scribble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scribble)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/93 "2016-04-05T05:36:29Z")
I’m re-watching older episodes of Better Call Saul while I am anxiously awaiting “Fifi” to show up on Amazon. Mesa Verde, the credit union whose business Kim snags for HHM, is where Walt does his banking in BB. (He cleans out his savings to buy the Winnebago.) I think we even saw Peg, from Mesa Verde, briefly in Season 1 of BB. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801/94 "2016-04-05T05:53:15Z")
> [@Scribble](#): > > I’m re-watching older episodes of Better Call Saul while I am anxiously awaiting “Fifi” to show up on Amazon. > > Mesa Verde, the credit union whose business Kim snags for HHM, is where Walt does his banking in BB. (He cleans out his savings to buy the Winnebago.) I think we even saw Peg, from Mesa Verde, briefly in Season 1 of BB. Cool! Love Easter eggs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-06-bali-hai-3-21-16/749801.md?page=4)