# Better Call Saul 2.08 "Fifi" 4/4/16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 4, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208 "2016-04-04T23:42:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/81 "2016-04-07T01:49:31Z")
So, what do you guys figure is going on with the smuggling, the gun under the rock, and the popsicle sticks? How are the drugs hidden in the load. And would the boss hang around the drugs as much, instead of risking his underlings? I only worked for 1 private firm decades ago, but there was no contract, and I wouldn’t think they were common for associates. If anything, they might come in at the partner level where there are contributions and distributions. Fighting over clients is a constant question when attorneys leave a firm or firms disband. Most lawyers are only as valuable as their clients. I don’t know exactly what the transaction is, but the transposed numbers likely wouldn’t really be much of a big deal - mainly a hassle through the need to file amended documents. I guess there could be instances where they would miss deadlines because they failed to give accurate timely notice or something. But it wouldn’t look good given Chuck’s sales pitch as the detail guy. And in TV land, I’m sure wackiness will ensue in the form of a strip joint with that address, or razing someone’s home… ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/82 "2016-04-07T01:59:09Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > I wonder how much of Chucks illness is a result of guilt about his treatment of Jimmy/Kim. I get the feeling that his illness ties into his feeling for his brother. I’ve been assuming it has something to do with whatever happened with Rebecca. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/83 "2016-04-07T02:17:05Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I don’t know exactly what the transaction is, but the transposed numbers likely wouldn’t really be much of a big deal - mainly a hassle through the need to file amended documents. I guess there could be instances where they would miss deadlines because they failed to give accurate timely notice or something. Are you sure they wouldn’t be a big deal to federal and state bank regulators? They made a point of having chuck mention how expensive and cumbersome it can be even for an honest mistake. Nothing intractable or sending anyone to prison, but a significant cost in fines and time to fix it, which makes MV look bad, which makes HHM look bad to them. I also kind of expect the show to do a ‘construction crew at the wrong site’ bit because it would be a good scene, even though I dont think that’s realistic. ---
**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/84 "2016-04-07T09:32:34Z")
> [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#): > > I just had a thought while reading through this thread. I think we’re all enjoying this show, especially the slow build up leading to it’s inevitable end. I mean, we all know where this is going, we all know the fate of Jimmy/Saul/Gene. > > But what if we didn’t? > > What if this was a brand new series (without the present day scenes that have begun every season) how would we respond? Not about whether it’s good or not, it would still have the awesome writing and acting, but how would we, as viewers, wonder where it’s all leading? I haven’t watched Breaking Bad, and I’m enjoying this show. Although I get the impression that I’m missing out on context a lot of times. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/85 "2016-04-07T11:39:19Z")
> [@Personal](#): > > I haven’t watched Breaking Bad, and I’m enjoying this show. Although I get the impression that I’m missing out on context a lot of times. So far, I think you’d be more confused by discussion of the show than by the show itself. Sure, we have a general idea of where the show has to end\* so that the beginning of Breaking Bad can continue from it, but from what I’ve seen, other than a few Easter Eggs, it stands alone just fine. I don’t think you should be missing out on anything. If you think you are, you should feel free to ask. I’m sure people will trip over themsevles to answer (even without spoiling Breaking Bad if you remind them of the situation, there’s no reason why we can’t explain things to you). \*we’re assuming BCS is going to have it’s series finale when BB starts. They might just skip those years and jump to what happens next and continue on with the show. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/86 "2016-04-07T11:46:46Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > So, what do you guys figure is going on with the smuggling, the gun under the rock, and the popsicle sticks? How are the drugs hidden in the load. And would the boss hang around the drugs as much, instead of risking his underlings? Someone upthread mentioned UV paint. I’d be surprised if that was the case. I don’t think they’d (the show) pull that trick twice. I think if these loads were marked it would be much more low-tech and in all likelihood, if it is drugs, it’s probably probably just a little and in one of the containers. He might even just be a regular ‘bad guy’ with a gun and he leaves it on the US side. It also seemed like terrible idea to leave the Popsicle stick there everyday. Someday someone is going to find those and they have a brand name on them, they’ll know exactly who they belong too. If they find the gun, they’ll know exactly who to talk to. They’ll tear his truck down to the chassis that day. On the one hand, the Popsicle sticks seem like a Chekhov’s Gun, OTOH, being BCS/BB they may have just done it for art’s sake, but I’m only saying that because it happened in the cold opener. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/87 "2016-04-07T12:28:03Z")
I thought the popsicle sticks were just to let us the audience to know that this gun pickup was a very regular occurrence. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/88 "2016-04-07T12:43:01Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Are you sure they wouldn’t be a big deal to federal and state bank regulators? Zero experience w/ banking law, so no I’m not sure. But mistakes happen all the time in the practice of law. It is ridiculously common to have amended documents filed to correct all manner of defects. Entirely routine. Very few defects are fatal. Correction just takes time and possibly money to refile. So if you were doing something that was time sensitive, that could be significant. But depending on the venue, you can even be creative and get around that. Not at all analogous, but I recall having a firm file pleadings on behalf of my dad after he died, which the court accepted as entirely routine. Re: the popsicle sticks - did anyone see what it said? I didn’t look closely enough and couldn’t tell if it was the brand name on all of the sticks, or a variety of humorous/inspirational sayings. Yeah, I hadn’t thought that he might take out his gun and replace it. For some reason I thought each time he got a new gun that someone else was supplying. Duh! And I agree with **Joey P** - the show itself holds together just fine for someone who did not watch BB. In previous threads I’ve commented on how it can be enjoyed differently by the different audiences, and expressed my hope that the makers do not sacrifice BCS fans to appeal to BB fans. So far, they seem to be succeeding in walking a fine line. ---
**Author:** ![Crybaby\_Boobie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crybaby_boobie/32/545_2.png) [@Crybaby\_Boobie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crybaby_Boobie)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/89 "2016-04-07T12:58:18Z")
I don’t remember the exact wording on the popsicle sticks in Spanish, but I asked my fiance to translate and she said it was “From our Family to Yours”. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/90 "2016-04-07T13:16:19Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > \*we’re assuming BCS is going to have it’s series finale when BB starts. They might just skip those years and jump to what happens next and continue on with the show. I don’t think BCS is going to go up to BB and stop with maybe a jump to Nebraska, I think they’re going to keep going during BB and show some of what Saul and Mike were doing outside of the Waltersphere during that time. Sometime between ‘now’ and when they turn up in BB, Mike assembles a crew of guys and Saul learns a lot of money laundering and has some kind of conflict with people he thinks would take him out to the desert, and none of that was shown in BB or stops just because Walt starts Walting in. I think I’ve read somewhere that it’s the plan, but it might just have been someone’s speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/91 "2016-04-07T13:19:30Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > On the one hand, the Popsicle sticks seem like a Chekhov’s Gun, OTOH, being BCS/BB they may have just done it for art’s sake, but I’m only saying that because it happened in the cold opener. Yeah, I don’t think the popsicle sticks are ‘real’, since they would be a bad idea to leave evidence like that if the cops ever did find the hiding spot, but it does a good job at visually telling a story. I think the guy is just a generic ‘bad guy’, and the gun in the desert is showing how he avoids having customs find it. ---
**Author:** ![Fleetwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fleetwood/32/271_2.png) [@Fleetwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fleetwood)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/92 "2016-04-07T13:36:14Z")
I thought of gravestones when I saw the ice cream sticks stuck in the gravel. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/93 "2016-04-07T13:55:16Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > I don’t think BCS is going to go up to BB and stop with maybe a jump to Nebraska, I think they’re going to keep going during BB and show some of what Saul and Mike were doing outside of the Waltersphere during that time. Sometime between ‘now’ and when they turn up in BB, Mike assembles a crew of guys and Saul learns a lot of money laundering and has some kind of conflict with people he thinks would take him out to the desert, and none of that was shown in BB or stops just because Walt starts Walting in. I think I’ve read somewhere that it’s the plan, but it might just have been someone’s speculation. I hadn’t heard that before. I had figured it would be like Breaking Bad in that it would be around 5 seasons that cover just a few years, and figured it would stop sometime before BB starts. I think I would prefer it to stand alone rather than cover the same time period. ---
**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/94 "2016-04-07T14:33:32Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > So far, I think you’d be more confused by discussion of the show than by the show itself. Sure, we have a general idea of where the show has to end\* so that the beginning of Breaking Bad can continue from it, but from what I’ve seen, other than a few Easter Eggs, it stands alone just fine. I don’t think you should be missing out on anything. If you think you are, you should feel free to ask. I’m sure people will trip over themsevles to answer (even without spoiling Breaking Bad if you remind them of the situation, there’s no reason why we can’t explain things to you). > > \*we’re assuming BCS is going to have it’s series finale when BB starts. They might just skip those years and jump to what happens next and continue on with the show. This is true. I find a lot of the conversation surrounding the episodes enlightening more than anything. For example, I read somewhere that Mike is prohibited from seeing his grandchildren at some point, and that kinda helped me understand the dynamic between Mike and his daughter-in-law better. I also learned that Mike is killed somewhere along the line, which leads me to believe that there’s a connection between his death and his relationships with the criminal element here. Some of it is confusing, however. I did watch the first season of Breaking Bad back when it was released. I just found the show so laborious to watch that I couldn’t continue. So I have an idea who the main players are, but I get confused when people talking about Better Call Saul mention names like Gus or Tuco. I think I may know who they are, but I’m not sure. Regardless, the show is entertaining me on its own merits. Some day I may go back and watch Breaking Bad, but I still have no desire to at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/95 "2016-04-07T15:23:36Z")
> [@Personal](#): > > This is true. I find a lot of the conversation surrounding the episodes enlightening more than anything. For example, I read somewhere that Mike is prohibited from seeing his grandchildren at some point, and that kinda helped me understand the dynamic between Mike and his daughter-in-law better. I also learned that Mike is killed somewhere along the line, which leads me to believe that there’s a connection between his death and his relationships with the criminal element here. Some of it is confusing, however. I don’t know what you’re looking for in terms of spoilers, but, for example, Mike’s death is due MUCH more to his involvement with Walter White than anything else leading up to it, even including Gus Fring. And I’m not just saying that because of the obvious thing, I’m saying that because of what a mess WW became as the show went on. He could have kept on keeping on and (barring some kind of butterfly effect stuff) he’d still be alive if he had never started working for Walter. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/96 "2016-04-07T15:39:27Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I hadn’t heard that before. I had figured it would be like Breaking Bad in that it would be around 5 seasons that cover just a few years, and figured it would stop sometime before BB starts. I think I would prefer it to stand alone rather than cover the same time period. I agree except I would love to see more Gene in Nebraska stuff and where he goes from there. Maybe even some kind of redemption. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/97 "2016-04-07T16:26:29Z")
> [@Personal](#): > > I did watch the first season of Breaking Bad back when it was released. I just found the show so laborious to watch that I couldn’t continue. So I have an idea who the main players are, but I get confused when people talking about Better Call Saul mention names like Gus or Tuco. I think I may know who they are, but I’m not sure. > > Regardless, the show is entertaining me on its own merits. Some day I may go back and watch Breaking Bad, but I still have no desire to at this point. I think at this point Tuco has had more screen time on BCS than he had on BB. I can’t possibly understand how you could find this show entertaining and not BB. BB was the greatest dramatic series that’s ever been produced for television. This is a lesser, but still very good spin-off. It’s made by a lot of the same people and uses a lot of the same conventions. Oh well, haters gonna hate I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/98 "2016-04-07T16:33:02Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > I think at this point Tuco has had more screen time on BCS than he had on BB. > > I can’t possibly understand how you could find this show entertaining and not BB. BB was the greatest dramatic series that’s ever been produced for television. This is a lesser, but still very good spin-off. It’s made by a lot of the same people and uses a lot of the same conventions. > > Oh well, haters gonna hate I suppose. I’m a die-hard BB lover, but just because someone didn’t like it doesn’t mean they are a hater. It’s surprising, and if someone loves BCS I’d say they should maybe try to give BB a second chance, but the shows aren’t identical; I could see that you could love one and not the other. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/99 "2016-04-07T16:35:22Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > I can’t possibly understand how you could find this show entertaining and not BB. BB was the greatest dramatic series that’s ever been produced for television. This is a lesser, but still very good spin-off. It’s made by a lot of the same people and uses a lot of the same conventions. Yeah, but for all the similarities it also is a bit different in tone and focus. I can easily see someone liking one and not the other without hatin’ ;). For example I notice a lot of BB fans online preferring the more criminal-oriented and dynamic Mike story over the Jimmy + Kim stuff. I’m not one of them, but I get it. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208/100 "2016-04-07T16:40:34Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > I can’t possibly understand how you could find this show entertaining and not BB. **In my opinion** BB was the greatest dramatic series that’s ever been produced for television. **In my opinion** This is a lesser, but still very good spin-off. It’s made by a lot of the same people and uses a lot of the same conventions. > > Oh well, haters gonna hate I suppose. Added that for ya. You keep saying this crap. Fine, don’t understand it. And don’t acknowledge that personal taste is of any significance, or that opinions on art and entertainment might vary, with no one being demonstrably right or wrong. **Personal** tried BB, but didn’t like it. Same for me and my wife. So what? Plenty of other crap - good and not-so - to piss away hours watching. I just didn’t give a crap about a single character. So I don’t care how good someone feels the writing or production are, I have zero interest in watching a wonderfully made show when I’d just as soon every single character get hit by a bus. Similar to my opinion of **Confederacy of Dunces**. Can’t understand why folk find that book enjoyable/laudable. Woulda been better as a short story with Ignatius dying quickly. Guess I can imagine the novelty in writing a book where the protagonist is an asshole, but that novelty ain’t enough for me to read it more than once, or say anything good about it. Just my opinions. No big deal. I don’t hate BB. I just didn’t care enough about it to spend a number of hours of my life watching it on TV. Can’t imagine why you are incapable of understanding that other people sitting in front of a TV might have different opinions than you - even if the majority agrees with you. Hell, I’ve heard folk suggest that Ulysses is worth using as something other than a doorstop, but I’ve never been able to get past them damned oxen of the sun. Guess that makes me an ignorant philistine. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-08-fifi-4-4-16/751208.md?page=6)