# Better Call Saul 2.09 "Nailed" 4/11/16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 12, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979 "2016-04-12T04:45:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![rock\_party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@rock\_party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rock_party)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/41 "2016-04-12T19:18:03Z")
I think Chuck realizes his condition makes him weird as shit to most people, so he doesn’t call the police ("He snuck in…changed them…snuck iback in and changed them back!), and he doesn’t want to involve doctors when he feels sick. ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/42 "2016-04-12T19:20:20Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Side note: I liked Chuck’s weird stilted questioning of the copy machine guy with all of the dates and ‘on or abouts’. It fits his character and his weaknesses - he’s an experienced corporate lawyer but has no recent criminal practice and isn’t good at conversing with regular people, so completely blows the questioning (I’m not sure the guy even understood exactly what he was asking). And his “I am an officer of the court” bit was precisely the kind of thing that would make stoner graveyard shift guy want to stop talking. > > Jimmy in the same position would do a much better job at interrogating the guy without weird legalese. And he could also come up with a much more credible threat from the police, especially since he’d just make up whatever he thought would scare the guy. > > Also, Chuck believes in The Law almost like a religion and probably thinks other good lawyers do. I think he really did expect her to go ‘falsified documents? I must report this right away’ and didn’t expect that she would be hesitant to do so. Even if she’s not throwing in with Jimmy, it would not be in her interest to completely blow things up and alienate her only rather lucrative client, but Chuck doesn’t really get that kind of pragmatism. In theory, yes. In practice… lawyers are mostly all thieves that will try to get away with anything they can. ---
**Author:** ![rock\_party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@rock\_party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rock_party)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/43 "2016-04-12T19:27:53Z")
Michael McKean should win the biggest, fattest Emmy award for his performance. When he’s feeling bad and his discomfort is building, he takes you right there with him…I almost feel the electro-magnetic waves myself. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/44 "2016-04-12T19:37:17Z")
I agree. Lenny’s been great in this. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/45 "2016-04-12T19:45:34Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > Question 1: Why does Chuck call Kim and not the police? > . Probably cause he doesn’t have the slightest bit of proof. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/46 "2016-04-12T19:48:26Z")
> [@rock\_party](#): > > Kim totally knows. Agreed. Kim is very smart and although passionate, usually considers a course of action before she actually takes it. She’s quick, but she still thinks through the outcomes before proceeding. I think the reasons she protected Jimmy from Chuck and didn’t confront Jimmy right away are twofold: First, she laundry-listed exactly what Jimmy would suffer at the hands of the law if the truth came out (charges of forgery, fraud, etc.), and I don’t think she had the heart for that; and second, she wanted Jimmy himself to confirm to her that he did it before she makes an absolute decision about what she’s going to do about it. There’s no question her judgment is impaired to some extent by her love of Jimmy, explaining why she agreed to open a shop with him. But that’s not inconsistent in any way with reality. We’ve all done stupid things for love. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/47 "2016-04-12T20:10:08Z")
She did what any good lawyer would do under the circumstances. She made it clear that Chuck had no evidence which protected her from having to take any action regarding a spurious claim, and warned him of the consequences of taking any action. And by doing so prevented Jimmy from saying anything else that might implicate him. She’ll never ask Jimmy directly if he did it, she doesn’t want to know. ---
**Author:** ![rock\_party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@rock\_party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rock_party)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/48 "2016-04-12T20:25:06Z")
If she knew Chuck’s accusation was true from the beginning, she’s taken a big bite out of Jimmy’s apple. Something bad they call it. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/49 "2016-04-12T21:28:38Z")
> [@Casey1505](#): > > Wasn’t it implied that Gus was gay (he and Max being longtime lovers), or was I reading to much fan speculation? > > If Gus was gay, I would tend to doubt that he has children of his own. When he invited Walt to his house to eat he made a Chilean fish stew that he said he loved but almost never ate because his kids wouldn’t touch it. He also told Walt it was his duty as a man to provide for his family even if his family couldn’t stand him, which also implied he had some experience with an estranged family. > [@tnetennba](#): > > I agree. Lenny’s been great in this. When he was having his vertigo and about to fall down I wanted one of the sounds in his head to be David “Squiggy” Lander saying “Hello!” Agreed that he’s a revelation in this show. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/50 "2016-04-12T22:07:35Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I’m not buying the idea that HHM provided an application the day of the hearing and the commission did the investigation of the wrong address on the same day. If that’s the way HHM operates then Giuseppe Verde is better off without them. Nobody would do that. They’d send in that application and double check that the investigation was done correctly before agreeing to appear, and all well ahead of the bank opening. The idea that Chuck would know it was Jimmy that did something would only work because Jimmy had altered the documents the night before. So that was a dumb plot. > > Forgiving that transgression, it was one their better episodes. And they got right to the point with Mike’s story, I liked that they did that. What makes you think that HHM provided the application the day of the hearing? That would be weird. And Jimmy _didn’t_ alter the documents the night before the hearing. It was a week before the hearing, as stated by Chuck when he confronted Kim and Jimmy with his suspicions. Jimmy then snuck back in the morning of the hearing to switch the forgeries back to the originals, after Chuck had left the house on the way to the hearing. So Chuck figured out the truth even after he hadn’t seen Jimmy in a weeks time. > [@btcg](#): > > Question 1: Why does Chuck call Kim and not the police? > > Again…he attempts to hurt his brother- the ultimate payback: take away the woman his brother (and maybe he, himself), loves. Chuck had been fired by Mesa Verde and it was his responsibility to turn over their files to their new counsel, Kim. Considering the circumstances, doing so in a timely manner was critical so that Mesa Verde could minimize further delays. Of course, he also wanted to take the opportunity to convince Kim that Jimmy was no good. > [@](#): > > Question 2: Why does Kim react as she does to Chuck? > > Kim, as we saw with the stock broker, has a bit of larceny in her heart. Will she overlook the entity Saul Goodman? This might indicate she will. Kim not only loves Jimmy, but she also \*needs \*(and deserves, really) that client. And it was Chuck himself who went out of his way to take that away from her. Not hard to see why she would hesitate to throw Jimmy under the bus and admit to her one and only client that she was tangentially involved in a fraud that caused them such problems. It would be simultaneous relationship and career/new practice suicide to entertain Chuck’s accusations. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/51 "2016-04-12T22:15:40Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Jimmy then snuck back in the morning of the hearing to switch the forgeries back to the originals, after Chuck had left the house on the way to the hearing. So Chuck figured out the truth even after he hadn’t seen Jimmy in a weeks time. Ok, that explains it, I thought Chuck was referring to Jimmy making the duplicates the night before. But it’s still not a great job by Chuck if he hadn’t double checked everything before the hearing. He didn’t handle it like the expert he’s supposed to be, but I’ll assume he was already freaking out concerning a potential mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Breccia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e36b37/32.png) [@Breccia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Breccia)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/52 "2016-04-12T23:01:02Z")
as to Why Ernie wasn’t immediately on phone to 911? Ernie is HHM’s guy-on-the-scene. HHM would be better served by Chuck being out of the picture. HHM would protect their interests from Jimmy. As long as Chuck is HHM’s problem Ernie will be there. [my guess only] Kim stepped forward immediately in the Kim-Chuck-Jimmy showdown To Ascertain If Chuck Had Anything Probative. Chuck and Kim immediately knew Chuck didn’t. Chuck and Kim, albeit from different experience, both know Jimmy’s capable of sabotaging Chuck’s documents. As Kim sees Jimmy rolling over and hitting the lights she (as smarter legally than street rat Jimmy) feels obligated to let Jimmy know Chuck’s also smarter…and so Jimmy should heft himself outta the sack and “cross the t’s and dot the i’s.” As for Mike letting the Good Samaritan buy it…of course Mike should have called the cops after leaving the scene. Having often traveled out of the way highways in New Mexico, there is traffic, and Good Samaritan’s usually with a gun rack. Maybe that explains Mike’s missed step. I really hope Ernie (Ernesto) is Gus’ son, there is a resemblance. While Erie’s done nothing to show he’s not what he appears–that is what I don’t understand with respect to his character. ---
**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/53 "2016-04-12T23:40:22Z")
This may be the best episode of the series thus far for me. Mike’s story line finally became intriguing enough for me to care. And Kim falls a little bit deeper into the rabbit hole. I’m consistently impressed with Michael McKean’s range. I grew up with him on Laverne and Shirley and through all of his Christopher Guest roles and everything else, everything of which he’s been great in. But this series is setting him apart. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/54 "2016-04-12T23:52:25Z")
Great episode overall, but Mike materializing out of thin air to disarm the guy with the gun-to-the-head cliché really annoyed me. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/55 "2016-04-13T00:33:44Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > And if it was Michael McKean who executed the fall to the ground–that was amazingly, frighteningly realistic. (Odds are that the producers wouldn’t let McKean risk himself and that it was a stunt double, though.) Just listened to the podcast and he did indeed do his own stunt. After it was presented to the director/producers with a demonstration, they weren’t going to allow him to because it looked so scary. But the stunt/effects leader insisted it was safe and the director tried it himself to convince himself ( and Michael McKean ) and he ended up doing it. ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/56 "2016-04-13T00:36:54Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > What makes you think that HHM provided the application the day of the hearing? That would be weird. And Jimmy _didn’t_ alter the documents the night before the hearing. It was a week before the hearing, as stated by Chuck when he confronted Kim and Jimmy with his suspicions. Jimmy then snuck back in the morning of the hearing to switch the forgeries back to the originals, after Chuck had left the house on the way to the hearing. So Chuck figured out the truth even after he hadn’t seen Jimmy in a weeks time. > Chuck had been fired by Mesa Verde and it was his responsibility to turn over their files to their new counsel, Kim. Considering the circumstances, doing so in a timely manner was critical so that Mesa Verde could minimize further delays. Of course, he also wanted to take the opportunity to convince Kim that Jimmy was no good. > > Kim not only loves Jimmy, but she also \*needs \*(and deserves, really) that client. And it was Chuck himself who went out of his way to take that away from her. Not hard to see why she would hesitate to throw Jimmy under the bus and admit to her one and only client that she was tangentially involved in a fraud that caused them such problems. It would be simultaneous relationship and career/new practice suicide to entertain Chuck’s accusations. Nope! Law firms do this by Fed EX. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/57 "2016-04-13T00:40:33Z")
He didn’t materialize out of thin air. You missed that he \*intentionally \*rigged it to _look_ like the spike strip was pulled onto the road from directly behind the sign, where his car was parked. But _he_ was well past the sign and his car, hiding behind some bushes, so that when the truck came to a stop, he was still in front of the truck and the driver was looking behind the truck towards the sign and car, where he thought the spikes had been pulled from. Pretty much anybody would have fallen for that nice bit of misdirection. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/58 "2016-04-13T00:42:37Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > Nope! > > Law firms do this by Fed EX. Not HHM in this show. Remember Jimmy had to come pick up all those boxes when the Kettlemans dropped HHM to go with him. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/59 "2016-04-13T00:52:03Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > He didn’t materialize out of thin air. You missed that he \*intentionally \*rigged it to _look_ like the spike strip was pulled onto the road from directly behind the sign, where his car was parked. But _he_ was well past the sign and his car, hiding behind some bushes, so that when the truck came to a stop, he was still in front of the truck and the driver was looking behind the truck towards the sign and car, where he thought the spikes had been pulled from. Pretty much anybody would have fallen for that nice bit of misdirection. I did miss where that bush was positioned. Your description is how the show tried to portray it and it is indeed believable (except Mike comes from way to the right of the guy, instead of behind, for dramatic effect, but I’ll let it slide). ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/60 "2016-04-13T01:29:38Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Not HHM in this show. Remember Jimmy had to come pick up all those boxes when the Kettlemans dropped HHM to go with him. Which are mistakes on the writer’s part. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979.md?page=4)