# Better Call Saul 2.09 "Nailed" 4/11/16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 12, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979 "2016-04-12T04:45:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/61 "2016-04-13T01:41:43Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > Which are mistakes on the writer’s part. Or maybe not every single law firm in the entire US uses FedEx to transfer files. Maybe even moreso when the two lead attorneys are family and can just take care of it on their own. Or maybe they take a little bit of artistic licensce here and there for the sake of some drama and/or sibling rivalry. Listening to the podcast (FTR, haven’t caught this one yet), they put an incredible amount of work into keeping this as realistic as possible. Last week one of the writers spent a few hours at a law library, on her own time, on the weekend, just to make sure all those documents that Jimmy copied, that no one will read are correct are all necessary for what Mesa Verde is doing. On a regular half hour sitcom type show all those documents would have been, literally, in greek or latin. Just a bunch of random words that look like words but are meaningless. If you paused one of those shots, and read those documents, they’d all hold water with Mesa Verde’s expansion. IIRC, they also called in TWO lawyers to help them. All for a bunch of papers more than 99% of viewers would never even think to look at. They do this for every single show. If Jimmy picked up the documents by hand, either it’s something that’s more commonly done than you realize or, as I said, they took some artistic license because it was necessary to move the show forward. Keep in mind, if it wasn’t this, they would have just found another way to get Jimmy, Kim and Chuck in the same room and I’d hardly call it lazy writing. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/62 "2016-04-13T01:57:36Z")
There was a moment at the beginning of the school scene when we only see Jimmy’s face reflected in his car’s mirror where I thought it was McKean, not Odenkirk. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/63 "2016-04-13T02:57:57Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > So…did anyone else think…that Chuck might actually die? Absolutely! People die from blows like that all the time. That’s why Jimmy’s “Call 911” lines are so powerful. He knows he might have just killed his brother. > [@Sampiro](#): > > Do you think that Hector is put in his wheelchair by gunshot wounds or by a stroke? I assumed stroke or other natural causes malady when I was watching BB, but I’m wondering how Mike could intentionally maneuver him into stroking out. When we see Mike watching them after his heist, we see Hector taking some sort of pill while obviously agitated about the heist. If he’s got some sort of preexisting condition like hypertension, it’s entirely possible that freaking out over losing a whole lot of cartel money might push him into stroke territory. > [@tnetennba](#): > > I agree. Lenny’s been great in this. Concur! > [@TriPolar](#): > > But it’s still not a great job by Chuck if he hadn’t double checked everything before the hearing. But he’d have double checked it against the documents he had at home, which contained the forged address. Until the con was revealed, he would have had no reason to think that those documents were different from the versions on file at HHM. Jimmy only returned the correct versions after Chuck had already left for the hearing. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/64 "2016-04-13T03:02:21Z")
Something I just caught, I’ll spoiler it because even though it’s just speculation, it has to do with the episode titles and it appears to be too coincidental to not be true. Has anyone noticed that The first letters of all the episodes this season form an anagram that says FRINGS BACK!!? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/65 "2016-04-13T03:29:22Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Or maybe not every single law firm in the entire US uses FedEx to transfer files. Maybe even moreso when the two lead attorneys are family and can just take care of it on their own. > > Or maybe they take a little bit of artistic licensce here and there for the sake of some drama and/or sibling rivalry. > > Listening to the podcast (FTR, haven’t caught this one yet), they put an incredible amount of work into keeping this as realistic as possible. > > Last week one of the writers spent a few hours at a law library, on her own time, on the weekend, just to make sure all those documents that Jimmy copied, that no one will read are correct are all necessary for what Mesa Verde is doing. > > On a regular half hour sitcom type show all those documents would have been, literally, in greek or latin. Just a bunch of random words that look like words but are meaningless. If you paused one of those shots, and read those documents, they’d all hold water with Mesa Verde’s expansion. IIRC, they also called in TWO lawyers to help them. All for a bunch of papers more than 99% of viewers would never even think to look at. > > They do this for every single show. If Jimmy picked up the documents by hand, either it’s something that’s more commonly done than you realize or, as I said, they took some artistic license because it was necessary to move the show forward. > > Keep in mind, if it wasn’t this, they would have just found another way to get Jimmy, Kim and Chuck in the same room and I’d hardly call it lazy writing. Good points. But remember, In Breaking Bad, Vince Gilligan also took considerable liberties with the science, like Mercury fulminate as an impact explosive and hydrofloric acid eating through all those various materials, as was demonstrated on Mythbusters. Vince didn’t do so hot in Chem in high school himself. So it’s not beyond the pale that they might take some artistic license with the legal system as well for BCS. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/66 "2016-04-13T03:35:22Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Something I just caught, I’ll spoiler it because even though it’s just speculation, it has to do with the episode titles and it appears to be too coincidental to not be true. Has anyone noticed that > > The first letters of all the episodes this season form an anagram that says FRINGS BACK!!? Funny! Except Episode 2 was “Cobbler.” How could we forget that one? ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/67 "2016-04-13T04:17:15Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Funny! Except Episode 2 was “Cobbler.” How could we forget that one? Right. Cobbler is the ‘C’ in “Fring’s Back.” They’ve been talking about this on Reddit and the [recap show](http://postshowrecaps.com/tv-show/better-call-saul-season-2-episode-9-recap-nailed/) I listen to. Note: I also listen to the Kelly Dixon Insider podcast but that one is 80% production and 20% story (which is fascinating) but the recap show is 100% story. (And one of the guys is an attorney.) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/68 "2016-04-13T05:01:23Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Also, something I realized is that the Gene scenes might not actually be post-BB like a lot of people are assuming. It would be perfectly consistent for the Cinnabon time to be during the year or so in BB where Jesse was a slave for the gang and Walt was hiding out alone and miserable. The “Gene” storyline might wrap up the show with what he does once he knows Walt is out of the picture and the manhunt is dying down. No. In the next to last episode of Breaking Bad, when Saul is waiting to be “disappeared” by Ed the Extractor, he says [“If I’m lucky, a month from now, best case scenario, I’m managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lVAC1UFVCM) Gilligan deliberately ran with this line for the opening of BCS. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/69 "2016-04-13T05:01:47Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Right. Cobbler is the ‘C’ in “Fring’s Back.” They’ve been talking about this on Reddit and the [recap show](http://postshowrecaps.com/tv-show/better-call-saul-season-2-episode-9-recap-nailed/) I listen to. > > Note: I also listen to the Kelly Dixon Insider podcast but that one is 80% production and 20% story (which is fascinating) but the recap show is 100% story. (And one of the guys is an attorney.) I see. So an anagram then. Perhaps. I believe if you play Stairway to Heaven backwards you’ll hear “my sweet Satan.” And in Strawberry Fields Forever you’ll hear “cranberry sauce.” ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/70 "2016-04-13T05:55:32Z")
Another favorite moment: “Isn’t Rupert Holmes English?” I can’t wait to see Jimmy’s commercial. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/71 "2016-04-13T08:11:30Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Funny! Except Episode 2 was “Cobbler.” How could we forget that one? “Anagram” means you have to de-scramble it. You are thinking of an acrostic. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/72 "2016-04-13T09:19:59Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I see. So an anagram then. Perhaps. I believe if you play Stairway to Heaven backwards you’ll hear “my sweet Satan.” And in Strawberry Fields Forever you’ll hear “cranberry sauce.” I use anagrams extensively in coming up with names in games and the like, its not like its super unheard of. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/73 "2016-04-13T11:38:59Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > No. In the next to last episode of Breaking Bad, when Saul is waiting to be “disappeared” by Ed the Extractor, he says [“If I’m lucky, a month from now, best case scenario, I’m managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lVAC1UFVCM) Gilligan deliberately ran with this line for the opening of BCS. Why did you say ‘no’ then post confirming exactly what I said? The episode you quoted ‘a month from now’ from skips through several months on Walt’s boring New Hampshire stay and Jesse’s slave time shortly after that line. It’s perfectly consistent with what was said that Gene scenes are taking place a month to six months from the quote, which puts the Gene scenes inside the BB timeline before WW finally goes on his rampage, like I said. It’s possible that the Gene scenes are set a year or more after the disappearance, but it’s consistent with the show and what we’ve seen that they actually take place while WW is still alive, not long after the show. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/74 "2016-04-13T15:35:34Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Kim not only loves Jimmy, but she also \*needs \*(and deserves, really) that client. And it was Chuck himself who went out of his way to take that away from her. Not hard to see why she would hesitate to throw Jimmy under the bus and admit to her one and only client that she was tangentially involved in a fraud that caused them such problems. It would be simultaneous relationship and career/new practice suicide to entertain Chuck’s accusations. My first thought watching the episode, and just to tease out what you are implying: Kim knows if she has to disclose/report Jimmy, she will lose Mesa Verde ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/75 "2016-04-13T15:41:54Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Why did you say ‘no’ then post confirming exactly what I said? The episode you quoted ‘a month from now’ from skips through several months on Walt’s boring New Hampshire stay and Jesse’s slave time shortly after that line. It’s perfectly consistent with what was said that Gene scenes are taking place a month to six months from the quote, which puts the Gene scenes inside the BB timeline before WW finally goes on his rampage, like I said. It’s possible that the Gene scenes are set a year or more after the disappearance, but it’s consistent with the show and what we’ve seen that they actually take place while WW is still alive, not long after the show. Sorry, I misunderstood your post. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/76 "2016-04-13T17:26:12Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Another favorite moment: “Isn’t Rupert Holmes English?” A fact I had somehow lived my entire life to that point without knowing… ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/77 "2016-04-13T17:30:09Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > A fact I had somehow lived my entire life to that point without knowing… Though his formative years were spent in an Albuquerque school that hadn’t been built yet. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/78 "2016-04-13T17:37:15Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Though his formative years were spent in an Albuquerque school that hadn’t been built yet. Interestingly, [“…the family moved when Holmes was six years old to the northern New York City suburb of Nanuet, New York”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Holmes#Life_and_career) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/79 "2016-04-13T18:07:26Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Just listened to the podcast and he did indeed do his own stunt. After it was presented to the director/producers with a demonstration, they weren’t going to allow him to because it looked so scary. But the stunt/effects leader insisted it was safe and the director tried it himself to convince himself ( and Michael McKean ) and he ended up doing it. Interesting! Thanks. That certainly was some impressive physical acting on McKean’s part. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/80 "2016-04-13T18:34:52Z")
Looks like the tire smuggling is something that actually happens IRL: [http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016/04/border-agents-find-50-pounds-of-meth-found-hidden-in-wheels-of-dallas-mans-suv.html/](http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016/04/border-agents-find-50-pounds-of-meth-found-hidden-in-wheels-of-dallas-mans-suv.html/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979.md?page=5)