# Better Call Saul 2.09 "Nailed" 4/11/16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 12, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979 "2016-04-12T04:45:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![soonerblue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soonerblue/32/3302_2.png) [@soonerblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soonerblue)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/101 "2016-04-14T12:29:57Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I liked the fact that Chuck was being gaslit…with a gaslight. Good one! ---
**Author:** ![soonerblue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soonerblue/32/3302_2.png) [@soonerblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soonerblue)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/102 "2016-04-14T12:50:02Z")
[quote=“Pantastic, post:39, topic:751979”] Side note: I liked Chuck’s weird stilted questioning of the copy machine guy with all of the dates and ‘on or abouts’. It fits his character and his weaknesses - he’s an experienced corporate lawyer but has no recent criminal practice and isn’t good at conversing with regular people, so completely blows the questioning (I’m not sure the guy even understood exactly what he was asking). And his “I am an officer of the court” bit was precisely the kind of thing that would make stoner graveyard shift guy want to stop talking. […] All I could think of when Chuck shouted “I’m an officer of the court!” was Jimmy shouting the same thing as he banged on Tuco’s door, trying to save the skateboarding twins. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/103 "2016-04-14T15:35:15Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Ah, children. Let me tell you of the times before word processors. When one mistake could mean that an entire document had to be re-typed, and “Wite-Out” was the latest miracle product, increasing office efficiency. Every secretary (that’s what we used to call admin. assistants) had a favorite brand of glue stick, and a couple of different exacto knives in her desk. Copiers back then did not scan at the level of detail they do now either. They almost never picked up the edges of the patch. Now, you’d be hard put to get the copier to miss that. > > It had nothing to do with fraud or fakery, it was a skill people had back then because you needed it. Although of course some high school/college entrepreneurs did, like Jimmy apparently, use it for fake IDs and uplifting their grade point averages. I love everything about this post and the nostalgic look back. However, the show is set in 2002, and personal computers, desktop publishing, and word processors were common. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/104 "2016-04-14T15:48:44Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > I love everything about this post and the nostalgic look back. However, the show is set in 2002, and personal computers, desktop publishing, and word processors were common. But Jimmy was in high school long before 2002, and that’s where he developed the skill. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/105 "2016-04-14T17:42:12Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > But Jimmy was in high school long before 2002, and that’s where he developed the skill. Gotcha… ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/106 "2016-04-14T19:05:16Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > It’s possible that the Gene scenes are set a year or more after the disappearance, but it’s consistent with the show and what we’ve seen that they actually take place while WW is still alive, not long after the show. I’m not sure I understand this point. Spoiler for Breaking Bad:“WW is still alive” and “not long after the show” are mutually exclusivebecause Walter dies in the finale. ---
**Author:** ![Nuveena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a587f6/32.png) [@Nuveena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nuveena)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/107 "2016-04-14T19:21:56Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I’m not sure I understand this point. Spoiler for Breaking Bad:“WW is still alive” and “not long after the show” are mutually exclusive He doesn’t mean the time period could be while WW is still alive and it’s not long after the show. He means the time period could be while WW is sill alive instead of the time period being long after the show. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/108 "2016-04-14T19:27:36Z")
Oh, gotcha, yeah now it makes total sense. Thanks much. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/109 "2016-04-14T19:37:44Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Interesting point. Whatever Ernie’s position at HHM he’s clearly part of the fabric now. I don’t see how Ernie could be a lawyer. You don’t assign step-n-fetchit duties to an attorney. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/110 "2016-04-14T19:42:24Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > “not long after the show” I was trying to say “not [set at a time long after the show]” rather than “set [not long] after the show”, English can be unexpectedly ambiguous sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/111 "2016-04-14T19:59:24Z")
And Kim totally knows, and did before her ‘dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s’ speech. ---
**Author:** ![scoots](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b77776/32.png) [@scoots](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scoots)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/112 "2016-04-14T21:32:00Z")
Kim knew straight away. She was just protecting Jimmy by making the point that there was no evidence ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/113 "2016-04-14T22:15:18Z")
> [@scoots](#): > > Kim knew straight away. She was just protecting Jimmy by making the point that there was no evidence Well, protecting Jimmy and her own interests. I’m not sure what Chuck expected her to do with the information - go to the client and say “your former attorney suspects some documents in your files were stolen and doctored” ? If I was her, I’d sure be glad I didn’t legally partner with Jimmy, though. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/114 "2016-04-14T22:54:24Z")
Kim is as gifted an attorney as Chuck, just not quite as much a fundamentalist as he is. Though Chuck sees the law in absolutes, his personally morality is grayer: he is willing to stab Jimmy in the back in a heartbeat, and while completely legal, was weaselly and cowardly and unfair to Howard. He is willing to derail Kim’s fledgling career over essentially a vanity issue and to get Jimmy disbarred without ever seeing himself as having been at all deserving of Jimmy’s counter-attack. I’m wondering if his wife left him because of his self righteousness. Kim is less rigid in her view of the law but more rig in her personal morality and will not screw over Jimmy because she loves him as a person. Jimmy and Chuck’s mother was still alive when Jimmy was arrested for the Chicago Sunroof incident. I wonder if she’ll ever be on the show. It would be a great cameo for a veteran actress. Kathy Bates doesn’t need the work but somebody her age and type would be good. Of course I always expected to see Walt White’s mom, who was described as living but difficult and estranged, and we never did; pity Louis Anderson wasn’t ready to make his debut as a matron yet. ---
**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/115 "2016-04-14T22:55:00Z")
> [@scoots](#): > > Kim knew straight away. She was just protecting Jimmy by making the point that there was no evidence And wanting the Mesa Verde account. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/116 "2016-04-14T23:09:48Z")
> [@scoots](#): > > Kim knew straight away. She was just protecting Jimmy by making the point that there was no evidence > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, protecting Jimmy and her own interests. I’m not sure what Chuck expected her to do with the information - go to the client and say “your former attorney suspects some documents in your files were stolen and doctored” ? > > If I was her, I’d sure be glad I didn’t legally partner with Jimmy, though. All of the above. Her supporting Chuck would make an ungodly mess for everyone involved, not just Jimmy. If it could be documented, Jimmy might go to jail, but Mesa Verde would lose confidence in Kim as well since she’s sharing an office with him. They wouldn’t exactly be inspired to go back to HHM either for having allowed the whole mess to happen. But the fact that Chuck is incapable of understanding any of that indicates how socially unaware he is. ---
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/117 "2016-04-15T00:58:26Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Jimmy and Chuck’s mother was still alive when Jimmy was arrested for the Chicago Sunroof incident. I wonder if she’ll ever be on the show. It would be a great cameo for a veteran actress. Kathy Bates doesn’t need the work but somebody her age and type would be good. Of course I always expected to see Walt White’s mom, who was described as living but difficult and estranged, and we never did; pity Louis Anderson wasn’t ready to make his debut as a matron yet. When Jimmy goes back to Cicero, he tells Marco that Mama McGill had died a couple years previously. She lived, and actually died, in Wisconsin. Marco was a little miffed that Jimmy hadn’t looked him up when he flew back to the Midwest for the funeral. I think Jimmy said he was only back for a short time. I wonder if that was about the time that Chuck came down with the EMF sickness? We know that whenever James McGill lapses into Slippn’ Jimmy, Chuck’s EMF symptoms seem to get worse. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/118 "2016-04-15T01:13:55Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > I think it’s interesting that Mike’s not nearly as much of a calm, knowing, methodical badass as most of the audience thinks. He gave Mr. Squat Cobbler a lecture on how ‘you’re a criminal now’ and was appalled that the guy would go to the police, and we all laughed when it ended in a hilarious Jimmy moment with the videos. But he doesn’t seem to have decided whether he wants to be a criminal or not himself, he is in denial about what he’s doing and keeps wanting the benefits of being a ruthless criminal while keeping his hands clean. And he wanted to turn the cartel in to the police, which seems an awful lot like what Squat Cobbler did even if his plan was less dumb. I think this is the point where Mike decides to give up on ‘half measures’ and trying to keep his hands clean. I think Mike’s story line at this point is being largely drive by the “half measures” lecture have gives to Walt in BB. He took half measures by not killing Tuco, and it came back to bite him. Then he again took half measures by not killing the truck driver and that led to a well meaning innocent being killed. All of this (plus the incident with the wife beater back in Philly) leads to his attitude about half measures and that lecture. I don’t think there will be any more half measures for Mike. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/119 "2016-04-15T12:17:07Z")
Just stating the obvious, maintaining plausible deniability is a HUGE thing for many lawyers. You might strongly suspect something, but you want to be able to truthfully deny specific knowledge, and avoid specifically perjuring yourself under oath. That goes a long way towards explaining why Kim will not likely directly confront Jimmy about this action. Instead, she was merely “speaking hypothetically” when suggesting that "i"s be dotted… Sure, impresses non-lawyers as BS, but similar to the precise and specific definition of terms that caused Clinton to say, “Depends on what your definition of ‘is’ is.” You present an argument - no matter how preposterous, and hope you can convince the right person to buy it. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979/120 "2016-04-15T13:12:03Z")
If Kim talks to Jimmy about it, and he confirms he did it, she becomes an accomplice after the fact. And, of course, if he ever gets caught, she’d have to testify against him or perjure herself. So it’s not at all surprising that even though she is 100% sure he did it, she doesn’t want to hear anything about it. That way, if Chuck does come up with evidence she can honestly claim ignorance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-2-09-nailed-4-11-16/751979.md?page=7)