# Better Call Saul - Finale **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 19, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625 "2016-04-19T04:23:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/41 "2016-04-19T21:58:09Z")
> [@scoots](#): > > She hinted that Jimmy might want to cover any tracks he might have left - and then Jimmy immediately upped and left the house in the middle of the night and was gone for quite some time. No way she’d talk about that, or she’d be implicating herself. Nevrtheless, if law enforcement took it seriously, they’d find enough to charge him. Whether it would go to trial is another question. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/42 "2016-04-19T22:07:43Z")
I have to wonder if a proper forensic examination of the documents wouldn’t reveal that they are copies, and that the “originals” that they were copied from had numbers pasted on them. Surely no human could align those numbers as perfectly as a computer printer would. There might be other clues, things like the kind of ink, etc. Check out this page: > **[Photocopy and Photocopier Examination - Questioned Documents - Norwitch...](https://www.questioneddocuments.com/questioned-document-overviews/photocopy-and-photocopier-examination/)** > > See also: Photocopy Forgery Introduction In the recent past, most business offices contained only specialized job-specific office machines, such as photocopiers, facsimile machines, printers, and scanners. While this is still the norm in many modern... > [@](#): > > In place now, is a counterfeit protection system (CPS) that is currently employed by many, but not all, photocopy machine manufacturers. These CPS codes can link two or more photocopied documents as having been produced by the same machine. Unfortunately, the CPS database is not available for public consumption and the decoding information classified. Further, just the process to find the code on a photocopied document is not simplistic and can require highly specialized equipment, such as a video-spectral comparator (VSC). > > Photocopy to Photocopy Examination > > While the CPS is not readily available, questioned photocopies may be examined visually for individual characteristic “trash” marks that may be occasioned by dirt, scratches, and other extraneous marks on the surfaces of the drum, cover, glass plate, or camera lens of a photocopy machine. A comparison of these marks on a questioned document with those marks made by a specific machine may serve to identify or eliminate that particular machine as the source of the document in question. Similarly, a side-by-side comparison of two or more questioned photocopies may reveal if they are the product of a common photocopy machine. Multiple generations of copies, the involvement of more than one photocopy machine, and machine maintenance, can limit the conclusiveness of the resultant opinions. ---
**Author:** ![scoots](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b77776/32.png) [@scoots](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scoots)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/43 "2016-04-19T22:09:47Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > No way she’d talk about that, or she’d be implicating herself. She wouldn’t have any choice. It’s known that her and Jimmy are sleeping together. The police will ask her about Jimmy’s movements on the night in question. She either tells the truth or she lies. Not long after that, she’ll be in court facing the same questions. She won’t lie in court so she can’t lie to the police. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/44 "2016-04-19T22:15:15Z")
> [@scoots](#): > > She wouldn’t have any choice. It’s known that her and Jimmy are sleeping together. The police will ask her about Jimmy’s movements on the night in question. She either tells the truth or she lies. Not long after that, she’ll be in court facing the same questions. She won’t lie in court so she can’t lie to the police. So she tells them his movements and doesn’t say that she prompted them. It’s not like she hasn’t lied before, and this is about professional survival. ---
**Author:** ![scoots](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b77776/32.png) [@scoots](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scoots)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/45 "2016-04-19T22:23:37Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > So she tells them his movements and doesn’t say that she prompted them. It’s not like she hasn’t lied before, and this is about professional survival. She will survive if she tells the truth. She hasn’t done anything wrong yet. Professional survival when you’re a lawyer means not committing perjury. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/46 "2016-04-19T22:34:23Z")
> [@scoots](#): > > She will survive if she tells the truth. She hasn’t done anything wrong yet. Professional survival when you’re a lawyer means not committing perjury. Accomplice to a felony is in itself a felony, even after the fact. Bye-bye license. ---
**Author:** ![scoots](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b77776/32.png) [@scoots](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scoots)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/47 "2016-04-19T22:43:14Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Accomplice to a felony is in itself a felony, even after the fact. Bye-bye license. She’s not an accomplice. She just wondered aloud about how anyone going up against Chuck would need to dot their I’s and cross their t’s because he’s such a good lawyer. And then Jimmy got out of bed and left the house. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/48 "2016-04-19T22:55:11Z")
In Breaking Bad they say that Hector had a stroke in prison. So that’s how he ends up in the wheel chair. Prequels have a shit load of spoilers. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/49 "2016-04-19T23:58:31Z")
> [@scoots](#): > > She’s not an accomplice. She just wondered aloud about how anyone going up against Chuck would need to dot their I’s and cross their t’s because he’s such a good lawyer. And then Jimmy got out of bed and left the house. Any good prosecutor could make the argument. Proving motive would be simplicity itself. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/50 "2016-04-20T00:05:21Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It may be weak, but frankly I just think Mike is a little more emotionally driven than some people give him credit for. Yes, he’s basically smart about things but I don’t think it’s completely out there that he believes that if a guy threatens to kill your grand daughter, that guy gets put down like a dog. I think that there may be another thing that is also motivating him. Hector shot and killed an innocent person, a good Samaritan who stopped to help the driver that Mike had tied up. Mike no doubt feels guilty about this and perhaps feels that he needs to mete out justice on his own since he can’t report the murder to authorities. ---
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/51 "2016-04-20T00:06:47Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I have to wonder if a proper forensic examination of the documents wouldn’t reveal that they are copies, and that the “originals” that they were copied from had numbers pasted on them. Surely no human could align those numbers as perfectly as a computer printer would. There might be other clues, things like the kind of ink, etc. Except the fakes no longer exist. Jimmy went back into Chucks house and put the original documents back in the file. (Presumably destroying the doctored fakes thereafter) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/52 "2016-04-20T00:14:34Z")
> [@GreedySmurf](#): > > Except the fakes no longer exist. Jimmy went back into Chucks house and put the original documents back in the file. (Presumably destroying the doctored fakes thereafter) Isn’t that in itself damning? The ones with the bad address that everyone was looking at magically corrected themselves? ---
**Author:** ![ChopTop86](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee59a6/32.png) [@ChopTop86](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChopTop86)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/53 "2016-04-20T00:15:05Z")
> [@](#): > > In Breaking Bad they say that Hector had a stroke in prison. So that’s how he ends up in the wheel chair. No they didn’t. It was implied through the flashbacks that he probably had ALS. Hank and Gomez mentioned something about a stroke, but they were just guessing. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/54 "2016-04-20T00:18:34Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > I don’t get why Mike is so pissed at Hector though, I mean I kinda do but it does seem a little forced. Hector threatened Mike’s family—his granddaughter. Doesn’t seem the least bit forced, especially given Mike’s character and personal history. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/55 "2016-04-20T00:35:48Z")
Personally didn’t care for the ep. Primarily b/c I am starting to dislike Chuck so much, that I’m losing respect for Jimmy for not just leaving him on the floor of the copy shop. And if not that - once he survived, let him bake in his foil room. I don’t buy the whole “blood is thicker than water” schtick. By this time, Chuck has done enough crap to absolve Jimmy of any responsibility. And I didn’t buy the Mike scene in the desert. Was just too cute for Nacho to stand in front of the guy, and for them to move in tandem. My DVR missed most of the opening as well. Did the show start a couple minutes early or what? And for folk who don’t care about BB, should we care who this Gus/Fring guy is? What other signs were there that someone has been following Mike? Final thing - I don’t know if I’m being fair or not, but I felt that on several occasions I saw Odenkirk acting, rather than Jimmy. Subtle, and i think mainly in the hospital scenes. But there are times that he kinda sets his jaw or tilts his head that don’t really impress me as real. Really stinks that the season is over. Will it be another year and a half before we get another dribble? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/56 "2016-04-20T00:42:54Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Isn’t that in itself damning? The ones with the bad address that everyone was looking at magically corrected themselves? Those weren’t the copies that everyone looked at. Only Chuck looked at those when writing up the documents submitted to the court. Unless the doctored fakes leak out, there’s no evidence of it being anything but a transcription error introduced by Chuck. ---
**Author:** ![ChopTop86](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee59a6/32.png) [@ChopTop86](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChopTop86)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/57 "2016-04-20T01:27:27Z")
> [@](#): > > And for folk who don’t care about BB, should we care who this Gus/Fring guy is? What other signs were there that someone has been following Mike? Was it necessary to put a slash between his first and last names? lol ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/58 "2016-04-20T01:30:36Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Yeah, I liked the Mike scenes as neat stuff to watch, but I feel like the Mike story flopped in this episode. Mike’s grudge against Hector seems too intense and out of the blue - much like Walt with Gus, he’s already out of Hector’s sights and has made a tidy profit, but he just keeps escalating for little real reason. Like you said, the Fring horn guy would have failed if not for the coincidence. (And I don’t think Nacho’s postion can be deliberate, how would someone even pass the information on to Nacho or convince him to put his head in line with a sniper?) > > I did like that the actor either had some firearms experience or got some training for that scene. I know enough about guns that his adjusting the gun and moving his finger on and off the trigger as he prepared to take the shot looked really convincing, and one thing that movies and TV usually get badly wrong is gun handling. I also liked that Mike had a pistol with him in addition to the rifle and didn’t go back to the car trying to use the rifle at close quarters. @ Pantastic: As a writer myself, I’m becoming quite a fan of your writing. You’re talented! ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/59 "2016-04-20T02:08:22Z")
Did anyone else notice that as Jimmy’s commercial finished, the commercial immediately following began with the word WEASEL displayed prominently? Garden Weasel or some such product I assumed; but I had a good laugh. ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/60 "2016-04-20T02:43:04Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I have to wonder if a proper forensic examination of the documents wouldn’t reveal that they are copies, and that the “originals” that they were copied from had numbers pasted on them. Surely no human could align those numbers as perfectly as a computer printer would. There might be other clues, things like the kind of ink, etc. > > Check out this page: > [Photocopy and Photocopier Examination - Questioned Documents - Norwitch Document Laboratory](http://www.questioneddocuments.com/services-offered-by-ndl/photocopy-and-photocopier-examination/) What fakes? Jimmy put the originals back. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625.md?page=4)