# Better Call Saul - Finale **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 19, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625 "2016-04-19T04:23:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/121 "2016-04-20T22:30:31Z")
I would be very disappointed in the writers if it turned out that Chuck is faking his electro-hysteria. Of course, if he was consciously faking, that in itself would indicate severe mental health issues. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/122 "2016-04-20T22:40:50Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I would be very disappointed in the writers if it turned out that Chuck is faking his electro-hysteria. Of course, if he was consciously faking, that in itself would indicate severe mental health issues. Don’t worry about that. When he went out to the garage all alone, he used tongs to pick up the tape recorder. He’s not faking - he believes it. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/123 "2016-04-20T23:10:25Z")
Yeah, his behavior is too consistent even when no one is looking. I’m curious to find out what triggered it. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/124 "2016-04-20T23:49:19Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I read an article somewhere that said that Kim isn’t the Skyler White of BCS, but Chuck is instead, and that makes some sense to me. Not as the love interest, but as the unwitting antagonist trying to stop the main character’s fun. What, are we seriously still reducing Skyler to that? It’s like people stopped watching _Breaking Bad_ after season 2. That there is such an unfair description of Skyler, considered over the course of the full show, that it boggles the mind. ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/125 "2016-04-20T23:49:28Z")
Here’s another point we’ve all overlooked: Despite Jimmy’s confession… Chuck remains at fault: he allowed the document’s 'chain-of-custody" to be compromised, and that blame can fall on no one but himself. ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/126 "2016-04-20T23:51:32Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Just releasing that tape to Mesa Verde destroys Kim’s career. > > And their relationship. > > Mesa Verde runs from putting their portfolios in the crazy and finds new non-Kim non-HHM representation. Kim is tarred among future prospective clients. Moves to another state. > > Destroying Kim will hurt Jimmy and is to Chuck a win. Hurts HHM’s rep too? He cares little. > > Without Kim to anchor him Jimmy let’s his slippin’ side loose. > > It was pretty obvious that Chuck was setting up Jimmy to confess … but I was expecting Howard to be behind some of that Mylar and to step out as Jimmy was leaving, “No need to call me Jimmy …” See post#125 ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/127 "2016-04-20T23:56:19Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Chuck isn’t a cartoon villain trying to destroy the protagonist just because that’s what the villain is supposed to do. He doesn’t want Jimmy to be a lawyer because of how Jimmy can cut corners and how that could hurt people. **Chuck might inadvertently hurt Kim, but I don’t think he would set out to do that. He wouldn’t purposely hurt Kim and think of that as a win; he would try to get the truth known about Jimmy, and Kim might be hurt in the fallout,** but that would be an unfortunate byproduct to Chuck. And Chuck might hurt HHM’s reputation because he thinks the truth is more important, but Howard wouldn’t help him do that. > > I read an article somewhere that said that Kim isn’t the Skyler White of BCS, but Chuck is instead, and that makes some sense to me. Not as the love interest, but as the unwitting antagonist trying to stop the main character’s fun. I like how it’s done, it’s not just that Chuck is a buzzkill (although that’s part of it), but of the kind of lawyer and person that he is. I like how Chuck and all the characters are written on the show. My 02? Like Jimmy, Chuck is in love with Kim, but covertly. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/128 "2016-04-20T23:58:02Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > Here’s another point we’ve all overlooked: > > Despite Jimmy’s confession… Chuck remains at fault: he allowed the document’s 'chain-of-custody" to be compromised, and that blame can fall on no one but himself. I pretty much thought everyone was assuming this. There’s no way that Chuck revealing the truth will win MV’s business back for HHM. They’d want to distance themselves from all of it. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/129 "2016-04-21T00:01:12Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > My 02? Like Jimmy, Chuck is in love with Kim, but covertly. Anything is possible, but we haven’t really seen anything to support that. However, they’re still writing season 3 as we speak. Who knows, maybe Vince is reading us right now. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/130 "2016-04-21T00:11:35Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Anything is possible, but we haven’t really seen anything to support that. However, they’re still writing season 3 as we speak. Who knows, maybe Vince is reading us right now. 🙂 Hmm… You just joined last month… ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/131 "2016-04-21T00:15:06Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > I tend to disagree. Chuck didn’t go out of his way to screw Jimmy over initially; it was the other way around. (And no matter how you slice it, causing HHM to lose MV at Chuck’s hands was exactly that.) He’s getting his own back, as he sees it. If he proves that Jimmy did it, **he also proves to Howard and MV that he didn’t make a mistake, and may even believe that he can recover MV’s business.** And if he proves it, he finally gets to see justice done to Slippin’ Jimmy. > > His animosity is certainly shown by the Mom flashback, but it’s not all black and white. As a matter of fact, none of Gilligan’s main characters are ever that way. He specializes in grey areas. Again… see post #125 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/132 "2016-04-21T00:18:38Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Hmm… You just joined last month… LOL I wish. 🙂 More likely, if anything, they have some intern surfing fan sites summarizing salient points for the writers. ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/133 "2016-04-21T00:21:48Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Indeed, I think Chuck is one of the most truly human characters on TV today. > > There’s no reason to think Chuck’s desire to torpedo Jimmy necessarily comes from one place. People don’t work that way. Chuck resents Jimmy for things that aren’t his fault, he resents him for things that ARE his fault, and he knows that Jimmy is, in fact, a liar and a cheat. He has kept Jimmy close to him because Jimmy is his brother, and he loves him, even though he hates him. That’s how real relationships are; they are a multitude of conflicting threads that connect us. Chuck believes himself to be a righteous person, and in a lot of ways he is, and he is totally, 100% correct in his assessment of Jimmy’s character. \*\*Sherrerd’s assessment of Chuck is quite good, I think; he is truly a carrier of ethics, \*\*but he is boiling over with resentment and anger that will make him explode. > > Jimmy, for that matter, is a great character for the same reasons; he’s a real human. The truth is he IS a liar and a cheat. Chuck is quite right about Jimmy, and we’ve been shown indisputable evidence that he is right. Jimmy is going to hurt Kim, which will be the show’s great tragedy because she is a good person and loves him. But he’s also likeable and decent and kind in a thousand ways. And he loves Chuck. He twice put himself in danger to help Chuck. > > Chuck’s decision to fight to keep Mesa Verde doesn’t really have to be explained in any way except that he’s proud and legitimately a great lawyer and wanted his company to keep the client; I do not believe he had, at the time, any problem with Kim at all. If anything he probably harbors the honest opinion Kim is too good for Jimmy, which is probably true. > > As to what happens with the tape, the problem with its being released is it would result in Jimmy being disbarred in New Mexico, upon which he cannot be Saul Goodman; you can’t avoid disbarment by using a pseudonym, and he is still a real lawyer in “Breaking Bad.” So whatever else happens it does not end up as evidence in a court. > > Could Chuck use it, rather than going to a cop, simply to pry away Mesa Verde? Possibly, but how? We know it cannot be used to formally incriminate Jimmy, or if so the effort will fail. Does he bring it to Mesa Verde? I agree with the assessment that they would think him mad and would find the conversation irrelevant - if anything, it just makes HHM look even more like a bunch of chumps. > > So I think he’ll go to Kim with it. One more time: see post #125 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/134 "2016-04-21T00:24:53Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Anything is possible, but we haven’t really seen anything to support that. However, they’re still writing season 3 as we speak. Who knows, maybe Vince is reading us right now. 🙂 Hi Vince! ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/135 "2016-04-21T00:25:02Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I pretty much thought everyone was assuming this. There’s no way that Chuck revealing the truth will win MV’s business back for HHM. They’d want to distance themselves from all of it. This is no small detail: a client’s info MUST be protected at ALL times. It’s a serious ethics violation Chuck will not be able to talk his way out of. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/136 "2016-04-21T00:26:51Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > LOL I wish. 🙂 More likely, if anything, they have some intern surfing fan sites summarizing salient points for the writers. Okay, so you’re an intern. Do you take wish lists, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/137 "2016-04-21T00:30:14Z")
> [@btcg](#): > > Here’s another point we’ve all overlooked: > > Despite Jimmy’s confession… Chuck remains at fault: he allowed the document’s 'chain-of-custody" to be compromised, and that blame can fall on no one but himself. > [@btcg](#): > > See post#125 > [@btcg](#): > > Again… see post #125 > [@btcg](#): > > One more time: see post #125 Your brilliant “point” that you keep trying to call attention to (and retroactively to posts that came before it, which is strange) is both bad and wrong. This isn’t CSI; there are going to be people who have access to places where documents might be stored (cleaners, maintenance, etc.) and that doesn’t invalidate their contents or mean that the document owners are at fault when somebody criminally tampers with them because they weren’t kept in a cast-iron safe with the security systems of a bank vault. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/138 "2016-04-21T00:34:04Z")
Sorry, guys, you’d be wasting your time. I’m too old to be an intern. ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/139 "2016-04-21T00:38:56Z")
If an intern reads this, I envision a scene where Chuck plays his tape in the HHM boardroom, and after: Kevin: “Let me ask you this Chuck… how did our confidential documents leave your hands and end up in a public copy shop? Can you explain this to me, because I thought you were a detail guy… and this is a detail I’d like explained to me.” Chuck: “Uh… it’s Ernesto’s fault for leaving…” Cue Kevin and the corporate attorney rolling their eyes. ---
**Author:** ![btcg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@btcg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/btcg)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625/140 "2016-04-21T00:44:06Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Your brilliant “point” that you keep trying to call attention to (and retroactively to posts that came before it, which is strange) is both bad and wrong. This isn’t CSI; there are going to be people who have access to places where documents might be stored (cleaners, maintenance, etc.) and that doesn’t invalidate their contents or mean that the document owners are at fault when somebody criminally tampers with them because they weren’t kept in a cast-iron safe with the security systems of a bank vault. My misses (ex, actually) is an International Trade attorney for a K street law firm: you’re totally wrong- client documents checked out by attorneys to work on at home must ALWAYS be protected. To allow someone to access them is a serious ethics violation, and it just doesn’t happen. You’re watching too much TV. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-finale/752625.md?page=8)