# Better Call Saul (Season 3) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 8, 2017, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040 "2017-04-08T04:28:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/221 "2017-05-02T17:39:08Z")
I think it was more recognition of impending strongarm tactics, something not unfamiliar to former residents of more corrupt countries. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/222 "2017-05-02T17:41:09Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > It’s been said many times before, but it is gonna be a heartbreaker when their relationship crashes and burns. Assuming it does, of course. I suppose Jimmy could thoroughly corrupt Kim and drag her down into Cinnabon purgatory with him, but I’m guessing not. I can’t imagine that “Gene” would be quite that miserable if he still had Kim with him. I don’t think Kim gets dragged to Cinnabon, she definitely wasn’t sharing the gaudy office with Saul so I think she was at least partially out of the picture by BB time frame. While my money is on Jimmy adopting the “Saul” persona after destroying Chuck, it’s also possible that he wins over Chuck and keeps being mostly legitimate. In that case, breaking up with Kim or her dying may be what pushes him to go over to _criminal_ lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/223 "2017-05-02T17:57:46Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I think watching BCS without having seen BB is pretty much like watching a serialized show starting a few seasons in. Like, if you enjoy it, fine; but it’s not really written for that type of viewer. And you tend I think to miss more starting to watch modern (regular network) weekly shows a few seasons in than many years ago, more ‘longer arcs’ of story you missed. I watched and liked (though not one of those who is sure it was the best show ever) BB. I think in general BCS is leaning only a reasonable amount on BB viewers looking for particular ‘Easter eggs’. But showing the Pollos Hermanos sign, what would it really mean to a new view? was certainly one of them. More broadly though my curiosity about the bigger questions posed by BCS v BB\* is one thing driving my interest in BCS. That alone would not sustain my interest if BCS stunk, which it doesn’t IMO, but it’s part of the appeal and wouldn’t be there if I had’t watched BB or had watched part of it but quit because I didn’t like it. And on the last point I can see someone quitting BB because just fed up with Walter and not enough to sustain interest if you dislike him enough. Jimmy/Saul so far IMO is a closer to neutral mix of positive and negative in an anti-hero than Walter became. \*how exactly did Saul become Saul, whatever happened to Kim, etc. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/224 "2017-05-02T18:02:03Z")
Also, aside from not calling the cops, ALL of those employees were scheduled the day after??? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/225 "2017-05-02T18:33:56Z")
Has there ever been a more likable drug lord than Gustavo Fring? Given your choice, would you prefer to - learn more about his pre Pollos Hermanos backstory and how he came from Chile (where it’s strongly implied he was not a peasant farmer) to Mexico to New Mexico -keep it a mystery so you can create your own backstory Generally I’d go with 2, but with Vince Gilligan I’d rather go with his version. Do you think Chuck will end up being disbarred, committed, both, or neither? Either way, I hope Michael McKean gets a long overdue Emmy this year. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/226 "2017-05-02T18:37:15Z")
I loved the opening scene. Did anyone else notice something near the end of that scene? During the few moments of the quiet close up of Hector, you could hear wind chimes ringing. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_John_Marcej)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/227 "2017-05-02T18:40:05Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > It’s been said many times before, but it is gonna be a heartbreaker when their relationship crashes and burns. Assuming it does, of course. I suppose Jimmy could thoroughly corrupt Kim and drag her down into Cinnabon purgatory with him, but I’m guessing not. I can’t imagine that “Gene” would be quite that miserable if he still had Kim with him. > [@Pantastic](#): > > I don’t think Kim gets dragged to Cinnabon, she definitely wasn’t sharing the gaudy office with Saul so I think she was at least partially out of the picture by BB time frame. While my money is on Jimmy adopting the “Saul” persona after destroying Chuck, it’s also possible that he wins over Chuck and keeps being mostly legitimate. In that case, breaking up with Kim or her dying may be what pushes him to go over to _criminal_ lawyer. You know, after reading both of your posts, bringing up the current day Gene at Cinnabon and (what may happen) ending Jimmy & Kim’s relationship/friendship, left me with an image. Final episode of BCS, Gene working at the Cinnabon, looks up to see… Kim(!) walking through the mall. Either: • It’s not really her, Gene/Jimmy/Saul looks sad… fade out • It’s really her, she doesn’t see him, Gene/Jimmy/Saul looks sad… fade out • It’s really her, she sees him, looks wistful, continues walking away, Gene/Jimmy/Saul looks sad… fade out • It’s really her, she sees him, looks wistful, Gene/Jimmy/Saul walks away, Kim looks sad… fade out You know, writing all of that down made me really depressed.☹ ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/228 "2017-05-02T18:48:37Z")
Have they mentioned why Don Eladio is known as the Winking Greek? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/229 "2017-05-02T18:49:42Z")
Everyone but me seems to like the Jimmy and Kim relationship. To me it seems like a complete mismatch. She’s way too good for him and he’s going to drag her down if she doesn’t get away from him. He keeps disappointing her with his behavior and she keeps coming back for more. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/230 "2017-05-02T18:54:29Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Have they mentioned why Don Eladio is known as the Winking Greek? That whole business was a little unclear to me. Did Hector open an ice cream store (to launder money maybe), or was he just saying that he’d discovered one that was coincidentally named after Don Eladio’s nickname? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/231 "2017-05-02T18:59:25Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Everyone but me seems to like the Jimmy and Kim relationship. To me it seems like a complete mismatch. > > She’s way too good for him and he’s going to drag her down if she doesn’t get away from him. > > He keeps disappointing her with his behavior and she keeps coming back for more. I agree completely. I hope she leaves him for somebody legit. OTOH, sleazy as Jimmy is, and as far from victimless as his “indiscretions” have been, and as over-the-top as he was in his anger and attack on Chuck, I still want to see Chuck get his ass and his ripped up law license handed back to him. It will be the second most losing face in the saga. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/232 "2017-05-02T19:05:49Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > I don’t think Kim gets dragged to Cinnabon, she definitely wasn’t sharing the gaudy office with Saul so I think she was at least partially out of the picture by BB time frame. While my money is on Jimmy adopting the “Saul” persona after destroying Chuck, it’s also possible that he wins over Chuck and keeps being mostly legitimate. In that case, breaking up with Kim or her dying may be what pushes him to go over to _criminal_ lawyer. Makes me think about the possibility of the opposite effect from making new non-BB BCS watchers feel short changed by too much reference to BB. If it turned out Kim was still around somehow in Saul’s life, in any way, in BB time but never mentioned\*, I think some BB fans would be uneasy with that ‘tear in the fabric of the universe’. I see that as a very remote chance. IMO it’s a virtual certainty something bad related to Kim (at least from Jimmy’s POV) is a big part of the genesis of Saul the _criminal_ lawyer. It’s possible that for some commercial reason the show gets cut off before the answer is revealed, and viewers could imagine she was still somehow in Saul’s life in BB time, but if they get to finish their idea I’m pretty sure her not being around will be central to why Saul is where he is by BB time. \*no technically there’s no reason Saul would have had to mention his wife/SO whose work was no longer related to his (even when planning to go on the lam and change his identity?) but anyway strange we’d never have heard of her if she was still around. ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/233 "2017-05-02T19:54:04Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I loved the opening scene. Did anyone else notice something near the end of that scene? During the few moments of the quiet close up of Hector, you could hear wind chimes ringing. I thought he was going to pee in the pool again. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/234 "2017-05-02T20:19:09Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I agree completely. I hope she leaves him for somebody legit. > > OTOH, sleazy as Jimmy is, and as far from victimless as his “indiscretions” have been, and as over-the-top as he was in his anger and attack on Chuck, I still want to see Chuck get his ass and his ripped up law license handed back to him. It will be the second most losing face in the saga. Yeah, I’m not so sure that he and Jimmy are all that different. The way he set Jimmy up is a trick worthy of Slippin’ Jimmy. Chuck does have the excuse of mental illness, but I get the impression that the unethical behavior existed before that. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/235 "2017-05-02T20:21:32Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Everyone but me seems to like the Jimmy and Kim relationship. To me it seems like a complete mismatch. I agree that from Kim’s POV this is an utter disaster of a relationship. If she were some SDMB newbie posting in IMHO about her boyfriend trouble everyone would be advising her to run away fast :p. But Jimmy has a certain slick but hangdog charm, she’s shown an attraction for just a bit of his cunning dark side and as an on screen couple their chemistry is undeniable. The fallacy of sunk costs is indeed a fallacy and Kim should know better and cut her losses. But the heart wants what the heart wants. Just one more( very, very likely ) doomed relationship in a sea of millions. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/236 "2017-05-02T21:04:47Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > I agree that from Kim’s POV this is an utter disaster of a relationship. If she were some SDMB newbie posting in IMHO about her boyfriend trouble everyone would be advising her to run away fast :p. But Jimmy has a certain slick but hangdog charm, she’s shown an attraction for just a bit of his cunning dark side and as an on screen couple their chemistry is undeniable. > > The fallacy of sunk costs is indeed a fallacy and Kim should know better and cut her losses. But the heart wants what the heart wants. Just one more( very, very likely ) doomed relationship in a sea of millions. Not to mention they’re leasing office space together. They kind of have to support each other at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/237 "2017-05-02T21:47:51Z")
I’m wondering how and why the Air Force officer is going to reappear. That was too good a scene for there not to be a callback. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/238 "2017-05-02T22:01:25Z")
Best episode of the season so far imo. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/239 "2017-05-02T22:27:02Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > That whole business was a little unclear to me. Did Hector open an ice cream store (to launder money maybe), or was he just saying that he’d discovered one that was coincidentally named after Don Eladio’s nickname? I think he either opened it or bought it and changed the name so he’d have a reason to ship things across the border. It might launder some money, but I think the main reason is he was able to find a driver willing to work for him who got along well with the border patrol, and delivering ice cream gives him a reason for regularly crossing. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/240 "2017-05-02T22:32:28Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Yeah, I’m not so sure that he and Jimmy are all that different. The way he set Jimmy up is a trick worthy of Slippin’ Jimmy. > > Chuck does have the excuse of mental illness, but I get the impression that the unethical behavior existed before that. I think they’re very different - Jimmy doesn’t care about legal ethics at all, but has a strong sense of morality. So he doesn’t mind faking evidence to get the ‘right’ result, he scams assholes instead of family men desperately trying to scrape money together for a kid’s birthday present, he gets personally offended at people taking advantage of elders, and so on. Meanwhile Chuck has a very strong sense of ethics, especially legal ethics, but very little moral concern about other people. He isn’t offended at Sandpiper taking advantage of the old people, he just thinks it’s a good case. He doesn’t care about trashing Ernesto’s career to get at Jimmy, what he did was legal and even justifiable. He will absolutely follow the law to the letter, but not because it helps people, just because it’s the law. IMO the way this show pokes into people’s moral and ethical systems is very interesting to me, I really didn’t expect it when I started watching. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040.md?page=13)