# Better Call Saul (Season 3) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 8, 2017, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040 "2017-04-08T04:28:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![soonerblue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soonerblue/32/3302_2.png) [@soonerblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soonerblue)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1281 "2017-06-25T12:33:40Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I agree with all of your observations except the last one. Kim and Jimmy have been a couple for quite some time. Just because they don’t show them outright doing the nasty doesn’t mean they don’t. That’s my take at least. I agree, Back in S-1 - in “Switch” - Kim joined Jimmy in conning a shady stock trader into picking up the tab for their very expensive food and drinks - the most expensive tequila in the world. After they left the restaurant, and were standing by a swimming pool, Kim is so thrilled by the fun that she grabbed Jimmy in a warm embrace, and full-on-the-mouth kissed him. Then next thing you know it’s the morning after at her place, and they’re getting out of the same bed to go into the bathrrom where they play-argue about Jimmy using her toothbrush. When she said ‘ick’, he grabbed her finger, spread it with toothpaste and stuck it in his mouth. I remember Jimmy and Kim joking about talking dirty to each other over the phone… and what about the very sexy foreplay pedicure he gave her at the nail salon (interrupted by a phone call about Chuck being in the hospital), and the time Kim rearranged the seating at the conference table so she and Jimmy could play footsie during a meeting. Yes, a couple alright, but since S-1 Kim has learned a little more about Jimmy’s character, and is uncomfortable with the un-Atticus-Finch way he practices law. So, I am not swayed by the finale’s display of tender affection between them … knowing that something ominous looms… ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Anne\_s\_Lace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Queen\_Anne\_s\_Lace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Anne_s_Lace)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1282 "2017-06-25T15:17:35Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > I never entered some kind of agreement that I would never discuss Kim’s motivations again, and since the fact that Kim knows of a number of bad things that Jimmy does is key to examining her character, the agreement you think I reached would require me not to discuss a major part the show. You don’t get to just invent some kind of deal in your head, then accuse me of dishonesty for not sticking to it. Since as far as I can tell everyone has conceded that it’s clear that Kim knows Jimmy altered the documents by the ordinary English definition of the word, I’m not sure why you keep trying to argue about it, but regardless of how much you want to deny it you’re the one dragging in some weird definition of ‘know’ and stuff about “does not have incontrovertible proof and/or metaphysical certitude,” which are completely irrelevant to the actual discussion. Please Lord, make it stop. Barring that, would someone please explain to me how to put a poster on IGNORE. TIA. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1283 "2017-06-25T15:59:53Z")
> [@soonerblue](#): > > Kim is so thrilled by the fun that she grabbed Jimmy in a warm embrace, and full-on-the-mouth kissed him. Then next thing you know it’s the morning after at her place, and they’re getting out of the same bed to go into the bathrrom where they play-argue about Jimmy using her toothbrush. When she said ‘ick’, he grabbed her finger, spread it with toothpaste and stuck it in his mouth. My brain purged all this. Nevermind, then. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1284 "2017-06-25T17:02:18Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > My memory of Kim/Saul’s relationship is a little foggy. That was their first kiss, right? Like a couple of other people have said, they’re pretty clearly sexually involved, it’s just low key and a bit unusual. One thing I hadn’t really noticed before is that they’re both very socially isolated people; we see only ever see them doing things alone or together, they don’t have other couples they hang out with, or go to Joe’s cookout, or meet Sally for drinks. Paige is clearly not really friends with Kim (they knew each other in college but not after), and Jimmy really only seemed to have Marco as a friend in the old days. Yeah, we don’t see Howard hanging out with his friends, but we don’t ever see him outside of firm business, and I’m quite sure he goes to a lot of cocktail parties and country club events in how own time. (In BB, we see Walt with family and friends until he’s isolated himself by obsessing over the drug trade, and Jesse hanging with Badger and company, and throwing big parties). It’s an interesting piece of character for the two of them. > [@Queen\_Anne\_s\_Lace](#): > > Please Lord, make it stop. If no one has talked about a topic for six pages of discussion and a week and a half of real time, the best way to ‘make it stop’ is to not bring the topic up again, though it’s really not so much ‘make it stop’ as ‘let it keep being stopped’. Resurrecting an annoying topic that everyone got tired of talking about more tan a week ago is only a good idea if you actually want the ‘knowledge’ argument to restart. This request for divine intervention reminds me of the old “Lady, I sent three boats!” joke - “Lady, they didn’t talk about the topic for six pages until you brought it back up!”. ---
**Author:** ![MsJinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/278dde/32.png) [@MsJinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsJinx)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1285 "2017-06-25T17:35:57Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > I’m not getting what happened at the end. If Chuck was committing suicide, there’s got to be better ways than burning yourself to death. Would that even be possible? Wouldn’t you just flee out of desire to avoid the whole charred flesh thing? An earlier scene showed Chuck unable to sleep, and reaching for a prescription bottle. I assumed he took more than he should and was sedated. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1286 "2017-06-25T19:30:34Z")
> [@soonerblue](#): > > I agree, Back in S-1 - in “Switch” - Kim joined Jimmy in conning a shady stock trader into picking up the tab for their very expensive food and drinks - the most expensive tequila in the world. After they left the restaurant, and were standing by a swimming pool, Kim is so thrilled by the fun that she grabbed Jimmy in a warm embrace, and full-on-the-mouth kissed him. Then next thing you know it’s the morning after at her place, and they’re getting out of the same bed to go into the bathrrom where they play-argue about Jimmy using her toothbrush. When she said ‘ick’, he grabbed her finger, spread it with toothpaste and stuck it in his mouth. > > I remember Jimmy and Kim joking about talking dirty to each other over the phone… and what about the very sexy foreplay pedicure he gave her at the nail salon (interrupted by a phone call about Chuck being in the hospital), and the time Kim rearranged the seating at the conference table so she and Jimmy could play footsie during a meeting. > > Yes, a couple alright, but since S-1 Kim has learned a little more about Jimmy’s character, and is uncomfortable with the un-Atticus-Finch way he practices law. > > So, I am not swayed by the finale’s display of tender affection between them … knowing that something ominous looms… Great and multitudinous examples. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1287 "2017-06-25T19:33:05Z")
> [@Queen\_Anne\_s\_Lace](#): > > Please Lord, make it stop. > > Barring that, would someone please explain to me how to put a poster on IGNORE. TIA. You realize that what you just posted only perpetuates the discussion you seemingly wish to avoid. If you want to ignore someone, just ignore them. Don’t respond. Problem is, everyone wants the last word. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1288 "2017-06-25T19:36:06Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I agree with all of your observations except the last one. Kim and Jimmy have been a couple for quite some time. Just because they don’t show them outright doing the nasty doesn’t mean they don’t. That’s my take at least. Yeah besides the earlier BCS scenes showing them apparently together on waking up, it seems to be left ambiguous how much further back than that the romantic relationship goes. It doesn’t seem ruled out that they were involved as underling nobodies at HHM even before BCS time though just friends presumably at some point. Usually it’s clear in a TV show when a couple composed of main characters crosses from the cleverly bantering/flirting or disliking one another phase, to sexual phase. Here it’s not, and I assume deliberately though I’m not sure what it says or symbolizes or presages. ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Anne\_s\_Lace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Queen\_Anne\_s\_Lace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Anne_s_Lace)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1289 "2017-06-25T21:30:35Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > You realize that what you just posted only perpetuates the discussion you seemingly wish to avoid. If you want to ignore someone, just ignore them. Don’t respond. Problem is, everyone wants the last word. Sorry. I read 12 pages of this thread today and just got to a place where I couldn’t take it anymore. I have been following your advice for about the last 6 or so pages but are you telling me that the software this site uses doesn’t have an IGNORE feature? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1290 "2017-06-25T21:51:22Z")
> [@Queen\_Anne\_s\_Lace](#): > > Sorry. I read 12 pages of this thread today and just got to a place where I couldn’t take it anymore. > > I have been following your advice for about the last 6 or so pages but are you telling me that the software this site uses doesn’t have an IGNORE feature? Well, I’m using Tapatalk, and if I set it up, the person whose posts I don’t want to see shows up with spoiler tags. Works well enough. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1291 "2017-06-25T22:07:02Z")
I got the sense that Jimmy and Kim were sometime friends with benefits before the show picked up their story. > [@Queen\_Anne\_s\_Lace](#): > > Sorry. I read 12 pages of this thread today and just got to a place where I couldn’t take it anymore. > > I have been following your advice for about the last 6 or so pages but are you telling me that the software this site uses doesn’t have an IGNORE feature? Would be nice. In your defense, the person we both want to ignore is actually the one guilty of bringing it back up when it had been dropped. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1292 "2017-06-25T22:31:21Z")
> [@Queen\_Anne\_s\_Lace](#): > > Sorry. I read 12 pages of this thread today and just got to a place where I couldn’t take it anymore. > > I have been following your advice for about the last 6 or so pages but are you telling me that the software this site uses doesn’t have an IGNORE feature? I sent you a private message with instructions on how to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1293 "2017-06-25T22:52:47Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I got the sense that Jimmy and Kim were sometime friends with benefits before the show picked up their story. I had the vague notion that they _had been_ friends with benefits before the show started but had slightly grown apart. The events of the series brought them back together, though it’s hardly a grand love affair. Possibly he’s more attached to her than she is to him, and while it’s fun for her to join him in minor con-jobs, she’ll sever ties in a second if he makes her choose between him and her career. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1294 "2017-06-25T23:14:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I had the vague notion that they _had been_ friends with benefits before the show started but had slightly grown apart. The events of the series brought them back together, though it’s hardly a grand love affair. Possibly he’s more attached to her than she is to him, and while it’s fun for her to join him in minor con-jobs, she’ll sever ties in a second if he makes her choose between him and her career. Maybe not now tho. She just about killed herself for her career, while Jimmy is the one who is there for her now. She needs to find herself, just like he does. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2017, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1295 "2017-06-25T23:49:39Z")
> [@Queen\_Anne\_s\_Lace](#): > > I have been following your advice for about the last 6 or so pages but are you telling me that the software this site uses doesn’t have an IGNORE feature? That’s what the little wheel on the mouse is for. Just give it a flick and zoom right on past anything you don’t want to read. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1296 "2017-06-26T00:03:33Z")
Soonerblue wrote: “When she said ‘ick’, he grabbed her finger, spread it with toothpaste and stuck it in his mouth.” Then he says something along the lines of “Wait till you see how I’m gonna floss.” Which I took as an oral sex joke. ---
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1297 "2017-06-26T09:29:08Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > I’m not getting what happened at the end. If Chuck was committing suicide, there’s got to be better ways than burning yourself to death. Would that even be possible? Wouldn’t you just flee out of desire to avoid the whole charred flesh thing? Maybe I’m overreading it, but I took it as being one last effort by Chuck to save face/manage perceptions. He didn’t want his death to be seen/ruled as a suicide. He’s planning that in the face of a fire investigation, the source of the fire would be discovered as a ‘fallen’ lantern while he was sleeping nearby and hence his death gets ruled accidental. Chuck is very detail oriented, so I believe he was very purposeful even in the placement of the lantern on top of the loose magazines as an ‘explanation’ for how the lantern fell off the table. I also wouldn’t be surprised if it is revealed that Chuck’s life insurance has some policy wording about suicide. If this is the case, I think we’ll discover Jimmy was recently cut out of the will. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1298 "2017-06-26T11:06:19Z")
I totally agree that it was meant to look like an accident. I think I mentioned that earlier. It’s probably more of a pride thing than a legal thing. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1299 "2017-06-26T13:01:49Z")
[Quote=GreedySmurf] I also wouldn’t be surprised if it is revealed that Chuck’s life insurance has some policy wording about suicide. If this is the case, I think we’ll discover Jimmy was recently cut out of the will. [/QUOTE] I looked into this before and it seems like the idea that life insurance won’t pay out after a suicide is mostly a myth, at least after 2 years of holding the policy. [http://time.com/money/3117698/how-life-insurance-policies-deal-with-suicide/](http://time.com/money/3117698/how-life-insurance-policies-deal-with-suicide/) ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/1300 "2017-06-26T13:51:15Z")
> [@GreedySmurf](#): > > I also wouldn’t be surprised if it is revealed that Chuck’s life insurance has some policy wording about suicide. If this is the case, I think we’ll discover Jimmy was recently cut out of the will. Besides whether the policy would pay out on suicide, somebody without dependents has no need for a big life insurance policy. Anyway the biggest thing would presumably be the $9mil Howard agreed to pay, unless the agreement Howard quoted says the bought out partner has to survive to get the balance. Even if, Howard wouldn’t try to cover up that he’d already given Chuck the first $3mil. If you die intestate in New Mexico without spouse\* kids or parents, a sibling inherits everything. And dramatically speaking, there would seem to be more potential in a messy plot line with the possibility of Jimmy inheriting, and the maneuvering, resistance and collateral damage from that, than a clean simple plot line where Chuck had an uncontested will leaving his assets to Rebecca or a charity. Can we say BB Saul never inherited several $million\*\*? I guess we’d assume not but it doesn’t seem as cast in stone as eg. ‘Kim was gone by BB time’. \*it seems Chuck is divorced not just living apart from Rebecca. \*\*in 2003 a $9mil inheritance would give a little than $5mil after federal estate tax, and presumably Chuck had non-negligible additional assets, maybe even an unnecessary life insurance policy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040.md?page=66)