# Better Call Saul (Season 3) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 8, 2017, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040 "2017-04-08T04:28:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/121 "2017-04-22T13:09:41Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Maybe Saul would blame something on a dead man? Why wouldn’t he? That’s the perfect person to blame, as dead men tell no tales. And he’s never really showed the propensity to sell out his clients and associates like that, if Nacho were still alive, that is. > > From that scene, it’s only when he sees the pre-dug grave in front of him that he immediately jumps to the conclusion that it has something to do with Nacho. And we know that with Nacho’s repeated involvement with both Saul and Mike, and his double-crossing ways, that would put him on a pretty risky path among the Salamanca crew. I don’t think Vince Gillian really thought about it too much for that scene in BB. It was a footnote. When he decided to write BCS, then he realized he needed a back story for Ignacio/Nacho. I get the sense in BB that he was alive but elsewhere, or the redirect wouldn’t be all that pertinent. Saul is acting like a kid who just got caught by the teacher. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/122 "2017-04-22T13:20:00Z")
> [@DrForrester](#): > > Remember that scene in BB when Mike tells Jesse that he (Jesse) wasn’t “his guy”. He (Mike) had once had a guy, but now doesn’t have a guy. And so forth. > > Maybe Nacho was Mike’s guy? Ooh! I like that theory. ---
**Author:** ![DrForrester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8edcca/32.png) [@DrForrester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrForrester)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/123 "2017-04-22T14:46:12Z")
> [@DrForrester](#): > > Remember that scene in BB when Mike tells Jesse that he (Jesse) wasn’t “his guy”. He (Mike) had once had a guy, but now doesn’t have a guy. And so forth. > > Maybe Nacho was Mike’s guy? [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnp4OeVSgkE) is the scene. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/124 "2017-04-22T14:54:46Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Yes, Chuck doesn’t understand Jimmy’s motivations, and probably never did, but he does understand the legal system. Chuck is lost in his own little idiot savant, anti-electricity world. He knows that if he does “A” (record Jimmy’s confession and letting Jimmy find out that he had), then Jimmy will respond by doing “B” (breaking into Chuck’s and stealing the recording). Chuck had planned for Jimmy’s kneejerk reaction from the very beginning. I’m expecting another twist in this chess game. Jimmy knew exactly what he was doing and is setting up Chuck. We know the future and he is still going to be a lawyer, albeit with a different name, in the same city. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/125 "2017-04-22T21:37:36Z")
> [@DrForrester](#): > > [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnp4OeVSgkE) is the scene. The second half in French (?) is even better. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/126 "2017-04-22T22:39:42Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > French (?) Oui. ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/127 "2017-04-23T04:07:17Z")
> [@DrForrester](#): > > Remember that scene in BB when Mike tells Jesse that he (Jesse) wasn’t “his guy”. He (Mike) had once had a guy, but now doesn’t have a guy. And so forth. > > Maybe Nacho was Mike’s guy? I’m almost positive he’s referring to (Breaking Bad spoiler) Victor, who he had worked with all through Season 3 and who had also just been killed by Gus. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/128 "2017-04-23T13:46:18Z")
Victor was/is Gus’s guy, not Mike’s. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/129 "2017-04-23T14:32:33Z")
Mike’s guy could have been his partner back in Philly, I suppose. Does that fit? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/130 "2017-04-23T19:23:00Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Victor was/is Gus’s guy, not Mike’s. Agreed. You can’t be loyal to two masters. ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/131 "2017-04-23T20:21:12Z")
In Breaking Bad, Victor was Mike’s subordinate and partner. They worked together just as he and Jesse ended up working together. When Mike angrily tells Jesse that he is “not the guy,” it’s very shortly after Mike and Victor part ways and Mike is a lone gun again. I always took that to mean that Jesse could never fill Victor’s shoes. ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5ac83/32.png) [@Doug\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_K)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/132 "2017-04-23T20:30:45Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Only those in the audience who didn’t recognize Giancarlo Esposito :). You don’t hire an actor of that caliber as a one-off restaurant manager. Of what caliber? He’s mainly known for his role in BB. He certainly wasn’t well known before, and it’s arguable that he’s very well known now outside of BB fans. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/133 "2017-04-23T20:35:49Z")
> [@Doug\_K](#): > > Of what caliber? He’s mainly known for his role in BB. He certainly wasn’t well known before, and it’s arguable that he’s very well known now outside of BB fans. He’s been notable in a few Spike Lee films. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/134 "2017-04-23T21:34:43Z")
> [@Tarwater](#): > > In Breaking Bad, Victor was Mike’s subordinate and partner. They worked together just as he and Jesse ended up working together. When Mike angrily tells Jesse that he is “not the guy,” it’s very shortly after Mike and Victor part ways and Mike is a lone gun again. I always took that to mean that Jesse could never fill Victor’s shoes. They were cow-orkers. Victor _might_ have become Mike’s subordinate, but I _think_ I remember at least one scene of him seeming to resent that, since he worked for Gus before Mike ever came along. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/135 "2017-04-23T23:01:08Z")
> [@Doug\_K](#): > > Of what caliber? He’s mainly known for his role in BB. He certainly wasn’t well known before, and it’s arguable that he’s very well known now outside of BB fans. He was in the Usual Suspects. He was the cop waiting for the drawing to come though on the dot matrix printer. That’s a pretty well-known film. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_John_Marcej)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/136 "2017-04-23T23:56:21Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Victor was/is Gus’s guy, not Mike’s. Yeah, since Victor was seen leaving the restaurant in the Escalade in the last episode we can assume that he’s already working for Gus (or he **really** likes that chicken!😃 ) > [@Doug\_K](#): > > Of what caliber? He’s mainly known for his role in BB. He certainly wasn’t well known before, and it’s arguable that he’s very well known now outside of BB fans. Or anyone, like myself, who remember him as a regular on _“Homicide: Life On The Street”_ or on many episodes of _“Law & Order”_. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/137 "2017-04-24T09:02:00Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > They were cow-orkers. Victor _might_ have become Mike’s subordinate, but I _think_ I remember at least one scene of him seeming to resent that, since he worked for Gus before Mike ever came along. Upon rereading, I have to amend this. I don’t think they were even cow-orkers, because I see Mike as much more of an independent contractor. And that would probably fit with how Gus handles any tension between the two. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/138 "2017-04-24T09:20:04Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Upon rereading, I have to amend this. I don’t think they were even cow-orkers, because I see Mike as much more of an independent contractor. And that would probably fit with how Gus handles any tension between the two. Mike is an ex-cop with a particular…skill set. I don’t think he’d want to be paired with some two bit hood. Mike would want someone intelligent to be “his guy,” someone who doesn’t make mistakes. OTOH, the conversation does take place shortly after Victor has been, uh… dispatched… so who knows. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/139 "2017-04-24T15:14:02Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > But the manner in which the Chicken shack and its manager were introduced had me a tad concerned. If I understand correctly, the manager is some big bad guy. and as soon as they showed the restaurant, a whole set of possibilities and relationships opened up for the BB fan. Which I am ignorant of. And when the manager was sweeping up, helping find the watch, and watching Jimmy and Mike talk, that meant something completely different to BB fans to someone approaching BCS fresh. It’s just backwards for you. BB fans already know Gus and what he represents. So that understanding gets included in the scene when Gus is introduced in BCS. You, the non-BB fan, are seeing it backwards. When you know who and what Gus is, you’ll recognize the innocent, smiling introduction for what it is. In other words, the meaning of this scene will grow in your mind as the series marches on. And he was introduced in exactly the same way in BB, too. Smiling, innocent, upstanding business owner, only later to be slowly revealed as a pretty violent and ruthless criminal overlord. So I don’t think you’re missing anything. The innocuousness of his intro is the whole point. Whether the dichotomy between his public and private personas is slowly revealed, as it was to BB fans in BB, or already known and accounted for, as it is to BB fans in BCS, is irrelevant. I’m sure it was an interesting directorial challenge to reconcile these two perspectives. The point is that there are two Guses, and everyone meets the nice one first. And talk of plot armor in this series is a little different than in others. We already see that part of the show is focused on Saul’s life _after_ Breaking Bad. There’s no reason we couldn’t see the chronology shift to Saul’s point of view _during_ the Breaking Bad years. So while we know some characters don’t die until after they meet Walter White, there’s no reason we couldn’t also see them die again in this show, but from a different perspective. Also, someone could go to prison, get a massive injury that puts them into a coma, quit crime for a life of leisure on a beach somewhere, or any number of things that could end their run in this series while still leaving things open for them to come back when needed in Breaking Bad. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040/140 "2017-04-25T03:29:44Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > It’s just backwards for you. BB fans already know Gus and what he represents. So that understanding gets included in the scene when Gus is introduced in BCS. You, the non-BB fan, are seeing it backwards. When you know who and what Gus is, you’ll recognize the innocent, smiling introduction for what it is. In other words, the meaning of this scene will grow in your mind as the series marches on. > > And he was introduced in exactly the same way in BB, too. Smiling, innocent, upstanding business owner, only later to be slowly revealed as a pretty violent and ruthless criminal overlord. > > So I don’t think you’re missing anything. The innocuousness of his intro is the whole point. Whether the dichotomy between his public and private personas is slowly revealed, as it was to BB fans in BB, or already known and accounted for, as it is to BB fans in BCS, is irrelevant. I’m sure it was an interesting directorial challenge to reconcile these two perspectives. The point is that there are two Guses, and everyone meets the nice one first. > > And talk of plot armor in this series is a little different than in others. We already see that part of the show is focused on Saul’s life _after_ Breaking Bad. There’s no reason we couldn’t see the chronology shift to Saul’s point of view _during_ the Breaking Bad years. So while we know some characters don’t die until after they meet Walter White, there’s no reason we couldn’t also see them die again in this show, but from a different perspective. > > Also, someone could go to prison, get a massive injury that puts them into a coma, quit crime for a life of leisure on a beach somewhere, or any number of things that could end their run in this series while still leaving things open for them to come back when needed in Breaking Bad. In a word? … LEISURE. [https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170425/250e6db15f929e6c126e6c6a10230d72.jpg](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170425/250e6db15f929e6c126e6c6a10230d72.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-3/784040.md?page=8)