# Better Call Saul season 5 (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 24, 2020, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428 "2020-02-24T11:43:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/321 "2020-04-08T19:16:44Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > I watched it again last night. > > Lalo’s instructions are to go to Los Lunas and take highway 6 west to state 147. The only road south off of 6 is right after the Rio Puerco bridge at the base of Escondida mountain. It leads to the Valencia county trash dump and we are shown a Valencia county plate. The road continues south from the dump but there is no outlet. You go out the same way you came in. That may actually be where they filmed it because the plateau you can see in the distance looks like Escondida mountain. Having Jimmy and the brothers take the same turn off the highway, drive 31.6 miles into nowhere, and **then** exchange the money, makes absolutely no sense. At that point you might as well do it at a Stuckey’s. I think Gilligan’s taking liberties with geography and actually has the two meeting from opposite directions. ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/322 "2020-04-08T19:19:28Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Am I a bad person for cheering when the cousins first appeared? 😃 For what started as a simple appearance on _Breaking Bad_, they have to be thrilled with all the work they’ve gotten from both shows. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/323 "2020-04-08T20:08:18Z")
Patch, Yeah, it seems like a lot but it’s $7million. Probably don’t want any spectators. That area IS remote. The Rio Salado and the Sevilleta grant prevent any access from the south. Swapping luggage in the airport parking lot wouldn’t attract any attention either. Of course they have video cameras - don’t want that. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/324 "2020-04-08T20:15:12Z")
If you ever take a BB tour put Escondida Mountain on your list of things to see. There’s a large ruin on top (~1300AD) and petroglyphs around the base. And the [Los Lunas Stone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Lunas_Decalogue_Stone). ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/325 "2020-04-08T20:36:33Z")
> [@Patch](#): > > For what started as a simple appearance on _Breaking Bad_, they have to be thrilled with all the work they’ve gotten from both shows. 😃 Same for Jonathan Banks. The only reason he was cast in BB is because Bob Odenkirk was unavailable for a particular scene. ---
**Author:** ![Calavera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calavera/32/70_2.png) [@Calavera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calavera)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/326 "2020-04-08T20:41:24Z")
> [@Patch](#): > > Having Jimmy and the brothers take the same turn off the highway, drive 31.6 miles into nowhere, and **then** exchange the money, makes absolutely no sense. At that point you might as well do it at a Stuckey’s. I think Gilligan’s taking liberties with geography and actually has the two meeting from opposite directions. If the maps say there’s no road, that’s probably just what the Cartel _want_ you to think ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/327 "2020-04-08T21:00:34Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > On this episode: definitely an inflection point for Jimmy, who has realised what involvement with the cartel really means. When he got up and put himself at risk to give Mike the shot he didn’t just commit to his own survival - he was taking his first active role in violence. Mike obviously didn’t fancy a direct shootout but it took Jimmy to find a way to give Mike a second chance at an ambush and a kill. > > Also an inflection point for Kim - she’s now exposed herself to a very dangerous man who won’t be happy that she’s in the loop. The consequences of that are going to be pretty significant, one way or another - if Lalo is in a position to do anything about it. > > . . . > Another point is that Mike obviously knew enough to know how and when the money was coming in, and that it was going to be attacked. But he didn’t know how many attackers there would be, which rules out any kind of elaborate play by Gus to make Lalo think he was under attack by staging the robbery and rescue both. But him knowing about it also seems to rule out that this was an opportunistic robbery by an unknown party. > > So … ??? I think this is the final turnover for Saul. When he gets back, having fully - urine drinkingly - committed to Kim as his one and only motivation in life, she is going to say “Adios! I’m not up for this.” He put her in a position to have to beg for help from a man she despises. She values her independence and integrity above all else. She’s not going to let this slide continue. She also knows that Lalo knows she is Jimmy’s weak point. She is smart enough to know if she stays she becomes a constant pawn to control Jimmy. She has to leave, and if he won’t leave with her she’s going alone. What I don’t see yet, is why he won’t go with her. Re: Gus/Mike knowing about the pick-up vs an opportunistic robbery, I see no reason why it can’t be both. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/328 "2020-04-08T22:04:16Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > I think this is the final turnover for Saul. When he gets back, having fully - urine drinkingly - committed to Kim as his one and only motivation in life, she is going to say “Adios! I’m not up for this.” He put her in a position to have to beg for help from a man she despises. She values her independence and integrity above all else. She’s not going to let this slide continue. Then why did she propose to Jimmy? Because she’s co-dependent, the adult child of an alcoholic mother. Unless she gets into Al Anon or has some other epiphany, she’ll continue to enable Jimmy and not tend to her own interests. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/329 "2020-04-08T22:24:12Z")
Who’s Gene? ---
**Author:** ![Calavera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calavera/32/70_2.png) [@Calavera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calavera)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/330 "2020-04-08T22:36:14Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Who’s Gene? Gene is the guy working at a Cinnabon in Nebraska, some time after the Breaking Bad episode “Granite State” ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/331 "2020-04-09T01:43:30Z")
Could you fit $7mill in $100s in those 2 duffels? On edit [I guess so.](https://www.quora.com/What-size-of-a-cube-would-1-000-000-dollars-in-100-dollar-bills-make) ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/332 "2020-04-09T01:45:02Z")
The car flip and roll seemed realistic to me. I figured Mike shot the driver, which caused him to jerk the wheel. If you do that in a top-heavy vehicle driving fast down a dirt road, you’re gonna have a bad day. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/333 "2020-04-09T02:22:56Z")
Right. Like I said upthread, if a stuntman caused it to do that just by turning the steering wheel, no reason it couldn’t happen when someone gets shot. **Stanislaus** , I think you’re looking to make it twistier than it needs to be. IMO some gang with a mole inside that money warehouse got a tip that there was a large amount of cash on the move and went after it. They got killed and we’ll never hear anything about them again. I don’t think they knew anything about any of our characters. Your ruling out an “opportunistic robbery” neglects the fact that Mike was tracking Saul with his gas cap. > [@Stanislaus](#): > > BB ends for Saul with his one-way trip with the vacuum repair guy. You say it’s heart-breaking to see him become Gene: Jimmy became Gene because and only because he first became Saul. And Gene was the _best possible_ ending Saul could have had. I would say his downfall came because he crossed paths with Walter White. Just like Hank, Jane, and so many others. He seemed to be doing fine when we first met him on BB. > [@DrForrester](#): > > I hope that Season 6 is half Gus & Lalo conflict and half Gene’s disposition. I hope that whatever happens with Kim happens quickly & quietly & takes as little screen time as possible. Her story is the least interesting at this point. It’s really wild how differently different people watch this show–it’s something I’ve noticed at least since S2, maybe earlier. I could not disagree more: I’d actually rather see the show be almost entirely about Kim! Or like Alan Sepinwall said, I’d watch the heck out of a legal show a la The Good Wife/Fight about Kim Wexler practicing banking/real estate law. One of my favorite stretches of the show was when she was stuck in dock review and went out to that stairway to put Post-It notes on the windows as she called various prospects. > [@Dinsdale](#): > > Could you fit $7mill in $100s in those 2 duffels? > > On edit [I guess so.](https://www.quora.com/What-size-of-a-cube-would-1-000-000-dollars-in-100-dollar-bills-make) On the podcast, they said they figured out each duffel bag would weigh 75 pounds, but they didn’t play it as though it was quite that heavy, as Saul just would not be able to make it all that way if it were really that bad. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/334 "2020-04-09T04:07:10Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I’d actually rather see the show be almost entirely about Kim! Or like Alan Sepinwall said, I’d watch the heck out of a legal show a la The Good Wife/Fight about Kim Wexler practicing banking/real estate law. One of my favorite stretches of the show was when she was stuck in dock review and went out to that stairway to put Post-It notes on the windows as she called various prospects. I wouldn’t go that far. I mean, there’s a reason it’s done as a montage. But I will say, every courtroom scene has been A+, while still managing to be far more realistic than almost any other show. Not just the criminal trials but Mesa Verde’s site approval thing, Jimmy’s hearing etc etc. I would love the show to focus more on that side. But I guess there’s a destination for Saul and only so much time to get there. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/335 "2020-04-09T04:41:00Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > He seemed to be doing fine when we first met him on BB. Aside from still being completely scared shitless of the cartel. (When Walt and Jesse first threaten to shoot him he assumes he’s being executed by the cartel.) ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/336 "2020-04-09T07:09:18Z")
They had him tied up with guns trained on him and a shallow grave prepared. He had reason to be scared shitless just because of that, and obviously had to figure it came from somewhere. The rest of the time he seemed pretty happy-go-lucky, until being involved with Walt made things come apart for him toward the end. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/337 "2020-04-09T08:25:52Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > They had him tied up with guns trained on him and a shallow grave prepared. He had reason to be scared shitless just because of that, and obviously had to figure it came from somewhere. The rest of the time he seemed pretty happy-go-lucky, until being involved with Walt made things come apart for him toward the end. Right so he’s living a life where kneeling above his shallow grave is an explicable turn of events which he can readily attribute to a specific set of people he’s involved with. Whereas you or I in the same situation would be thinking “What the fuck, who are these guys, I have no idea what the fuck is happening” Saul is naming the people he knows who are most likely to do this to him. This is not an awesome life. It is a life that is self-evidently one step from disaster. You can say that it was Walt that brought him down but he made the choice to be on Walt’s team. Unlike Hank, who came to grief by trying to do the right thing and oppose Walt the murdering drug lord, or Jane, who unwittingly got in Walt’s way, Saul signed up to help Walt and was on-board with the whole “sell illegal drugs to hopeless addicts and kill people who get in the way” programme from the get-go. In any case, if it wasn’t Walt it would have been someone else. Criminal lawyer involved with the cartel is an inherently unstable position and the idea that Saul was going to be able to keep making the decisions that would lead to a peaceful retirement is out of character - if he were able to make those kind of decisions, he wouldn’t be Saul Goodman, he’d be Jimmy McGill. Sooner or later he’d have greedily got into bed with the wrong person and that would be him done. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/338 "2020-04-09T08:48:17Z")
If I have learned anything from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, it is that New Mexico is the land of desert shootouts involving millions of dollars in cash. I guess that’s a bit too long to fit on a license plate. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/339 "2020-04-09T08:58:22Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > The most likely perpetrator of the ambush is Nacho and it’s Nacho’s car we are shown in the tease. Where do we see Nacho’s car in the teaser? ---
**Author:** ![Garak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d78d45/32.png) [@Garak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garak)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/340 "2020-04-09T08:58:51Z")
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