# Better Call Saul season 5 (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 24, 2020, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428 "2020-02-24T11:43:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/441 "2020-04-15T17:54:07Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > ETA: Any theories as to why Lalo is going to Mexico a different way? Has he sniffed out that Don Eladio is out to get him? I thought he took Kim’s “you can’t even trust your own guys” to heart. Maybe Lalo realized he doesn’t trust Nacho and wants to find out why. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/442 "2020-04-15T18:07:22Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > I thought he took Kim’s “you can’t even trust your own guys” to heart. Maybe Lalo realized he doesn’t trust Nacho and wants to find out why. Since it seems Don Bolsa set him up, it shows again Lalo is a smart guy. He may not just be thinking of Nacho, but of the 3rd leg of the Salamanca/Eladio/Bolsa cartel. And thanks for pointing that out. Now I realize why Lalo said it’d be a long road back to Mexico; he’s thinking about his situation. I wonder if Lalo goes on to be the one who sicced the Federales on Bolsa . . . ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/443 "2020-04-15T18:16:08Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > You sure that’s a Javelin? I thought it was an AMX. Then your post convinced me I was wrong. But this last ep I thought I saw AMX badging both on the rear and inside… > … Stupid me. One of my best golfing buddy has long claimed his love of the AMX. Until this a.m., I did not realize it was an upgraded Javelin! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/444 "2020-04-15T20:30:33Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Mike wasn’t there to protect Jimmy. He was there to see if Jimmy would tell Lalo how Gus’s group helped him. Yeah, Mike was there for damage control. I think that saving Jimmy wasn’t his goal, he wanted to be sure that Lalo didn’t find out about “Michael” who works for Gus saving Jimmy, and if he did to stop Lalo from being able to relay that information to anyone else. > [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > I wonder if Lalo goes on to be the one who sicced the Federales on Bolsa . . . If you’re talking about during BB, I just got through that part on a rewatch. The Federales on Bolsa were there because the cousins attempted to murder a decorated DEA agent in broad daylight and were trying to hit the cartel as hard as possible. It was clearly Gus’s plan for that to happen - he told the cousins he approved of them hitting a Fed and killed one of them to make sure Bolsa didn’t find out he did. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/445 "2020-04-15T20:36:12Z")
So why did Kim resign so abruptly? Did she want to stay closer to Jimmy? And the looks on the jail officers’ faces when Jimmy showed up with seven million in cash were hilarious. They knew it was drug money but had no proof. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/446 "2020-04-15T20:46:08Z")
Something I didn’t catch myself: Kim doesn’t jump in to tear at Lalo until Jimmy accidentally makes the major mistake of offering him the money back. What Jimmy (and I) forgot but Kim remembered is that the money is in the bag along with Jimmy’s cup with a bullet hole through it. If Lalo takes the bag, he won’t just get the money, he’ll have proof that Saul lied to him and that there really was some kind of shootout. Jimmy is hoping that giving the money back will make Lalo go away, but Kim realizes that if Lalo takes the money, Lalo is going to know he’s lying and then most likely torture and kill them. So she’s not just jumping in because she’s confident, she’s jumping in because she knows that if she doesn’t they’re definitely dead. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/447 "2020-04-15T20:54:05Z")
That’s a good point. I didn’t notice that either. (BTW, Kim did a great job of validating Lalo’s praise of her to Jimmy earlier in the episode.) ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/448 "2020-04-15T21:31:50Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So why did Kim resign so abruptly? Did she want to stay closer to Jimmy? The non-story reason is that the Mesa Verde plot line is over. The in-story reason is that Kim finally realized she didn’t want to be a corporate lawyer and wanted to use her skills defending the less fortunate instead. Saul’s duffel bag of cash probably helped with her decision to forgo a paycheck for the near future. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/449 "2020-04-15T22:56:33Z")
That episode was absolutely intense. The best thing on TV right now. Kim fucking rocks. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/450 "2020-04-16T00:20:47Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > If you’re talking about during BB, I just got through that part on a rewatch. The Federales on Bolsa were there because the cousins attempted to murder a decorated DEA agent in broad daylight and were trying to hit the cartel as hard as possible. It was clearly Gus’s plan for that to happen - he told the cousins he approved of them hitting a Fed and killed one of them to make sure Bolsa didn’t find out he did. OK, that makes more sense. Those details were lost in the mist that is my memory. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/451 "2020-04-16T07:55:26Z")
**Pantastic** , good point about the cup still being in the duffel bag. Although honestly, I’d be surprised if that was really on the writers’ minds. After all, there’s no reason for anyone really to expect Lalo to debase himself in that way: reneging on an agreement, acting as though $100K even matters to him, and then letting the two people who see him debase himself live. > [@Tamerlane](#): > > The level of _logical_ character development is off the charts compared to most series on tv. I love this show, but I need to push back on this a little bit because I don’t think this is always true. I dug \*\*Stanislaus’s \*\*analysis, but Gus’s hardline attitude about Nacho, and the broader observation that “Mike has a loyalty and sense of responsibility towards those he works with that Gus entirely lacks”, makes it a little hard to understand how Mike could be so angry at Walt for killing Gus in BB, going on the following rant: > [@](#): > > We had a good thing, you stupid son of a bitch! We had Fring, we had a lab, we had everything we needed, and it all ran like clockwork! You could have shut your mouth, cooked, and made as much money as you ever needed! It was perfect! But no! You just had to blow it up! You, and your pride and your ego! You just had to be the man! If you’d done your job, known your place, we’d all be fine right now! Now, to be fair, this actually didn’t even make sense back when that episode came out. By this time Mike had become very fond of Jesse, so Jesse was presumably meant to be part of the “we” in “we’d all be fine right now” if Walt hadn’t supposedly screwed everything up. But Walt killed Gus because Gus was going to kill him. And Gus was going to kill him because Walt killed Gus’s dealers to prevent them from killing Jesse, because he was trying to kill them in retribution for their having killed a fairly young boy who was Jesse’s girlfriend’s little brother. And in fact, Mike was the guy who was going to kill both Walt and Jesse if Jesse hadn’t killed Gale. None of which fits very well into Mike having a “loyalty and sense of responsibility towards those he works with”. So Mike’s characterization is a bit all over the place, really. But this stuff that’s been happening in BCS jumbles it even a bit more. All of which leads me to the admittedly very iconoclastic opinion that the whole Gilliganverse, or whatever we’re calling it, would actually be better if Bob Odenkirk had been available to play Saul in the season 2 finale “ABQ”–his lack of availability necessitating their hiring of Jonathan Banks to play the role Saul would have otherwise filled. It’s a red hot take, I realize! > [@Dinsdale](#): > > You sure that’s a Javelin? I thought it was an AMX. Then your post convinced me I was wrong. But this last ep I thought I saw AMX badging both on the rear and inside… Whatever make of car it is, it’s definitely cool looking. And I know it’s intentional for the engine to sound loud. But doesn’t it also sound like it’s “missing”, that the pistons aren’t always firing like they should? I know very little about auto mechanics, but it doesn’t exactly purr smoothly (or even roar smoothly). > [@Colibri](#): > > Saul’s fate after BB is based on his one line about ending up managing a Cinnabon in Omaha Which is still a little too cute for my taste, and speaks to their compulsion to kind of tie a bow on everything. (Wow, I’m being critical today, especially considering I thought this was one of the greatest episodes of TV ever made!) It was clear at the time that Saul was making a sardonic quip, and that he wasn’t actually going to tell Walter White of all people exactly where to find him if he ever decided to get all murder-y again, or just to try to involve Saul in one of his crazy schemes. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So why did Kim resign so abruptly? Did she want to stay closer to Jimmy? She just got fed up with the boring, unfulfilling grind of banking law. You can see it as she dictates some mind-numbing crap about property setbacks: she’s just done. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/452 "2020-04-16T08:32:56Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > Nacho had asked Lalo if he wanted him to wait with him at the well. Lalo said that he was fine, the cousins would be there soon to pick him up and that Nacho could leave. Nacho then says, in a low voice as if he were saying it to himself “S’alls good” before walking back to the car. That little reminder gave Lalo something to think about, and he’s smart enough to figure out that they didn’t see the car. Nacho says “Sounds good.” Maybe that still clicked in Lalo’s head, though, dunno. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/453 "2020-04-16T08:50:14Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Thanks for the reminder. I didn’t recall offhand what the significance of that was. To put it in a little more context, the tequila stopper is literally the only thing she wants to take with her as she leaves her office (and old life?) behind. Everything else she says can be boxed up and sent to her later, no rush. Her pro bono files, the framed thank you note she gazed at earlier, her diplomas and any other personal photos aren’t as important to her as that stopper. She even leaves the keys to her company car behind, returning home to Saul in a cab. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/454 "2020-04-16T09:32:55Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > [managing a cinnabon in omaha] is still a little too cute for my taste, and speaks to their compulsion to kind of tie a bow on everything. […] It was clear at the time that Saul was making a sardonic quip, and that he wasn’t actually going to tell Walter White of all people exactly where to find him if he ever decided to get all murder-y again, or just to try to involve Saul in one of his crazy schemes. I think we’re all on the same page on that one. It’s a nice thing for the fans when E1S1 starts, and they see him in Cinnabon and they can think “Aha! I remember this was his exit plan!”, but it doesn’t make much sense on reflection (also: I guess I’m not a true scotsman fan, because I didn’t recall that line at the time of watching the opening to BCS). As well as the reason you say, it’s too much of a public-facing role, and taking responsibility for a store (even a little one in a mall) is going to involve more scrutiny of his references and history than I think I would be comfortable with, personally. Of course, Jimmy can talk his way into anything, but why take the risk? Is it his dream job? ---
**Author:** ![Calavera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calavera/32/70_2.png) [@Calavera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calavera)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/455 "2020-04-16T10:07:35Z")
The out of universe explanation is that Cinnabon liked hearing their name used and wanted to pay for product placement. In universe it obviously makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/456 "2020-04-16T10:24:12Z")
Plot twist: Cinnabon is actually a wholly-owned subsidiary of Madrigal Electromotive GmbH. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/457 "2020-04-16T11:07:48Z")
> [@Calavera](#): > > The out of universe explanation is that Cinnabon liked hearing their name used and wanted to pay for product placement. In universe it obviously makes no sense. It was just a wink to that line in the show. In the show, Saul wouldn’t have yet known his fate and, if he did, he certainly wouldn’t have told Walt. ---
**Author:** ![Calavera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calavera/32/70_2.png) [@Calavera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calavera)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/458 "2020-04-16T11:10:54Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > It was just a wink to that line in the show. In the show, Saul wouldn’t have yet known his fate and, if he did, he certainly wouldn’t have told Walt. It was just a throwaway line in BB. The reason it became Saul’s real fate in the spinoff is because Cinnabon got involved. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/459 "2020-04-16T11:34:31Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Now, to be fair, this actually didn’t even make sense back when that episode came out. By this time Mike had become very fond of Jesse, so Jesse was presumably meant to be part of the “we” in “we’d all be fine right now” if Walt hadn’t supposedly screwed everything up. But Walt killed Gus because Gus was going to kill him. And Gus was going to kill him because Walt killed Gus’s dealers to prevent them from killing Jesse, because he was trying to kill them in retribution for their having killed a fairly young boy who was Jesse’s girlfriend’s little brother. And in fact, Mike was the guy who was going to kill both Walt and Jesse if Jesse hadn’t killed Gale. None of which fits very well into Mike having a “loyalty and sense of responsibility towards those he works with”. So Mike’s characterization is a bit all over the place, really. But this stuff that’s been happening in BCS jumbles it even a bit more. I don’t think that’s quite right. After Gale’s death, Gus was incredibly pissed off but let Walt and Jesse live to cook meth. Gus did make an effort to split Jesse off from Walt, but it was Walt who decided he had to kill Gus. But even disregarding that, Mike is right to point out that Walt and Jesse did not hold up their end of the original deal, which was to cook meth quietly and professionally. If they’d stuck to that, everyone would be happy. Mike would only have killed them for fucking up the business with their personal shit - breaking their own loyalty/responsibilities to Gus. Mike in BB is also the guy who tells Lydia not to try killing off all of his guys but just pay them well and trust them instead. That’s consistent with his argument that Nacho held up his end of the deal so should be let off the hook as per the agreement. **Pantastic** That’s a really good point about why Kim chose to intervene. There’s going to be a big shift in the power dynamic between the two of them now. (If we didn’t know for a solid fact that Saul survives all this, a perfectly legitimate development of the story so far would be that Saul is dispensed with by Lalo and Kim takes on the role of friend of the cartel, having surpassed her mentor. ) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/460 "2020-04-16T11:37:14Z")
> [@Calavera](#): > > It was just a throwaway line in BB. The reason it became Saul’s real fate in the spinoff is because Cinnabon got involved. I see that you said that earlier. I was attempting to build on that but I worded it poorly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428.md?page=24)