# Better Call Saul season 5 (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 24, 2020, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428 "2020-02-24T11:43:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/121 "2020-03-11T16:09:22Z")
Well, if that’s your thing, watch the first series of the UK programme Spooks (broadcast in the US as MI-5). It happened in the second episode. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/122 "2020-03-11T16:28:41Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Yeah - good points. But absent that, I didn’t see reasons for him acting that way. I don’t have familiarity with him from BB. It struck me as out of character for him to be so out of control as to unnecessarily beat up on a helpless manager. I don’t see why you’d say it is at all out of character. Even just within this show, Gus is clearly an obsessive control freak who is used to executing his own plans. When his plans are in disarray from Lalo and he can do nothing about it, he lashes out in a minor way at Lyle. This is a guy who tortured an animal to death for stealing food from him - he didn’t kill it to keep it away (which is pretty normal), he tortured it for revenge even though it doesn’t understand the concepts of stealing or revenge. And when we include Breaking Bad, we see him slit his subordinate’s throat when he can’t punish the two people who’s throats he would actually like to slit. ---
**Author:** ![dorvann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dorvann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorvann)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/123 "2020-03-11T16:28:56Z")
> [@LVBoPeep](#): > > I have to say I’ve enjoyed seeing Barry Corbin again- it seems like its been awhile ! He’s almost unrecognizable except for his voice which is unmistakable. I initially thought the old man was played by Wilford Brimley but apparently I am mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/124 "2020-03-11T16:43:05Z")
> [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](#): > > I’m thinking it was Lalo on behalf of Hector Salamaca. I think they see Mike spiraling down and want him to “flip” on Gus (or at least get some inside information). It feels to me like it is too direct to comply with ‘leave Gus alone’ orders and too nice and planned out to fit with the Salamanca tendency towards extreme, spur of the moment action and brutal violence. I wouldn’t say that it’s impossible for the doctor to be Lalo’s man, but it isn’t what I think happened. I also can’t see Gus leaving Mike without a tail, it’s clear to Gus that Mike is losing his grip and unreliable. I don’t see Gus letting the Salmancas take Mike out of the country, I think his tail would have orders to kill Mike rather than let that happen. Also: (I tend to spoiler stuff about future episodes even though this is a spoiler-allowed thread) > [@](#): > > The next episode is called “Dedicado a Max”. I suspect from the title that Mike is going to get a lot of Gus’s backstory here, which makes more sense to me if he’s being treated by Gus’s doctor Incidentally, your wording sounds like you think Lalo is taking orders from Hector. My impression is that Lalo is helping at Hector’s request, sharing information and taking advice, but that he’s a peer in the family hierarchy. People like the cousins or Tuco do take orders from Hector, but Lalo is more like another manager brought in to fix a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/125 "2020-03-11T18:50:41Z")
> [@dorvann](#): > > I initially thought the old man was played by Wilford Brimley but apparently I am mistaken. It was Maurice from Northern Exposure. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/126 "2020-03-11T21:03:46Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > I don’t see why you’d say it is at all out of character. Even just within this show, … > . Thanks. I’ve said before that the limited number of shows and widely spaced seasons causes me serious problems keeping up. OK - so Gus is a crazy unpredictable fuck. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/127 "2020-03-12T06:28:40Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Well, if that’s your thing, watch the first series of the UK programme Spooks (broadcast in the US as MI-5). It happened in the second episode. 😕 My ‘thing’? Do you have trouble parsing sentences? I said I marvel it hasn’t happened, which I am deeply thankful for. Glad you had more luck in searching out a deep fryer scene, though, enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/128 "2020-03-12T09:42:48Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > Every time they show the chicken restaurant, I marvel that thus far, we haven’t seen anyone’s head forced into a vat of boiling oil. For that, I am deeply thankful. Gus’ lackey slaving away in that kitchen certainly dodged a bullet. You don’t need to have any fears on that score. The restaurant(s) are Gus’s legit cover and he is painstaking at keeping that business isolated from the criminal enterprise. He would never allow any kind of violence, still less cranial deep-frying, to happen on those premises. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/129 "2020-03-12T12:23:46Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > You don’t need to have any fears on that score. The restaurant(s) are Gus’s legit cover and he is painstaking at keeping that business isolated from the criminal enterprise. He would never allow any kind of violence, still less cranial deep-frying, to happen on those premises. That’s what I figured. But if he was not able to restrain himself from convincing his trusting manager that he is irrational and unreasonable… ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/130 "2020-03-12T19:43:08Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > In the last ep Saul had a client charged with robbery, the victim made a absolute positive ID only for Saul to note that the actual defendant was sitting in the back of the courtroom and nbot at the defense table. I know I’ve seen that bit before, anybody know where? Turns out this is a real thing that has happened, but pretty rare as judges tend not to like it: > **[At the Bar;Defense lawyer turns the tables on the prosecutors but pays a...](https://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/29/us/at-the-bar-defense-lawyer-turns-the-tables-on-the-prosecutors-but-pays-a-price.html)** ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/131 "2020-03-12T20:53:13Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > In the last ep Saul had a client charged with robbery, the victim made a absolute positive ID only for Saul to note that the actual defendant was sitting in the back of the courtroom and nbot at the defense table. It surprises me if a defendant is not required to acknowledge they are present in the courtroom and identify themselves before the trial starts. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/132 "2020-03-12T20:57:26Z")
I never watched “Boston Legal” so it couldn’t have been there. Maybe Matlock did it once. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/133 "2020-03-12T21:21:42Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > I never watched “Boston Legal” so it couldn’t have been there. Maybe Matlock did it once. I’m pretty sure that on the Boston Legal ep they said it was an oft-used trope, and actually cited Matlock and Perry Mason. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/134 "2020-03-13T09:26:04Z")
Judges may not like it, but I think it should be a regular feature of courtrooms as eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/135 "2020-03-13T09:36:48Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It surprises me if a defendant is not required to acknowledge they are present in the courtroom and identify themselves before the trial starts. I thought that maybe the ringer _did_ say he was … whoever the name of the real defendant was. And that this was why the judge was so mad ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/136 "2020-03-13T11:04:05Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > I thought that maybe the ringer _did_ say he was … whoever the name of the real defendant was. And that this was why the judge was so mad It probably wouldn’t be difficult during the trial process to have the defendant and the ringer switch places sometime after the defendant might have to identify himself and before the witness testifies. Shenanigans like this might work in the short term but very quickly the local judges are going to all find out about it and Saul’s going to get less and less leeway in court and from DAs, I figure is what would happen. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/137 "2020-03-13T15:02:47Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Shenanigans like this might work in the short term but very quickly the local judges are going to all find out about it and Saul’s going to get less and less leeway in court and from DAs, I figure is what would happen. I’m confident that by the BB era, Saul is well-known to all of the judges and DAs in the area and anyone they talk to about their experience. He’s already started getting that reputation and he’s only been working as Saul for like two weeks (if I’m estimating the time right). ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/138 "2020-03-17T04:16:20Z")
So is Kim being led to the dark side? Or when is she going to get off the ride? How does this bode for her ending? Probably not well? Will we see a Gus Fring back story episode next? And what did Kim see at Kevin’s “boring” home? So how does Saul know the PI again? From the Hummel heist? Wasn’t he also the loudmouth bodyguard for Squat Cobbler who Mike disarmed? And also Trevor from GTA V? ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/139 "2020-03-17T12:13:21Z")
So who was Max? And what did Kim see in the photos, and what was her play in publicly confronting the other lawyer? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2020, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428/140 "2020-03-17T12:33:26Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > So who was Max? Gustav’s best friend, possible lover, and original partner in drug manufacturing, whom Hector Salamanca killed years ago. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-5-spoilers/848428.md?page=8)