# Better Call Saul: Season IV **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 30, 2018, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792 "2018-07-30T04:48:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1103 "2018-10-09T19:12:54Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Also, Mike is on a CCTV in a shop where there was a murder shortly after, in a place which Mike is seen going in (the murderer is BTW also clearly visible) I’m skeptical that Lalo would leave behind the CCTV footage for the authorities to find. > [@davidm](#): > > Who set up the indoor houses, the bar, the TV, etc? What happened to that crew? If you mean they could use those same guys to finish the dig, that’s a different set of skills. If you mean are those guys a security risk, the indoor houses were at a different site that didn’t need to be kept secret. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1104 "2018-10-09T19:17:37Z")
Great opening! I just relaxed and imagined I was at a Spinal Tap performance!! Chuck has moved on but David St. Hubbins perseveres . . . Now another year’s wait. Damn. At least I hope to see some GoT before then. Maybe. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1105 "2018-10-09T21:54:23Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > And I never would have guessed Chuck would be the one to vouch for Jimmy’s admission to the bar. (Is that a thing? Does someone have to do that, in person? I had to get another engineer to write a letter of recommendation for me to get my PE license, but he didn’t have to show up somewhere, stand by my side and vouch for me in person.) In my state, it is definitely a thing. If you do not know a current member of the Bar, the Dean of Students stands up and says “I know these 30 people behind me and they are all of good moral character and are fit to practice law!” Some others had their parent(s) who are lawyers; I had the guy (a former WV Supreme Court Justice) that I worked for for two summers move to admit me. I got to go first because of his prior position. This is all done in front of the State Supreme Court (when we had one 🙂 ) and the Chief Justice even joked prior to the hearing that this was the only time in Court session that: 1) all motions would be granted, and 2) that pictures were permitted from the gallery. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1106 "2018-10-09T22:34:04Z")
I agree that Lalo is a great villain for next season. (And that he would not have left the CCTV footage behind for the cops to find.) Werner was unbearably trusting in Mike’s basic humanity–forgetting that Mike was not the guy in charge, and that Mike would follow the orders of the guy in charge. Nice of Mike to let Werner walk all that way out—Mike would have had to drag the body back to his vehicle. The accident he’d set up would, presumably, obliterate Werner’s head (or at least make it impossible to tell he’d been shot). Lots of physical labor for a man of 71 (Jonathan Bank’s age). The hallway moment of Jimmy revealing and/or asserting his basic cynicism and sense of estrangement from human feeling, and Kim’s reaction, was a moment of devastating emotion that no other television show has equaled, I think. Well, with the exception of _Breaking Bad_. Amazing stuff. Emmy Awards all 'round! ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1107 "2018-10-09T22:41:07Z")
Banks’ (edit window passed) ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1108 "2018-10-09T23:11:49Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Lots of physical labor for a man of 71 (Jonathan Bank’s age). Nitpick - Mike’s not 71 - he is somewhere around 60 when this show takes place based on his age in Breaking Bad. One of the tricky parts of doing a prequel is that the actors are older while the characters are younger. Still a lot of physical labor for a 60 year old, but the character is about a decade younger than the actor. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1109 "2018-10-10T01:07:12Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I think that the season will end with Jimmy definitively becoming Saul. The last words spoken will be “It’s all good, man”. Ha! I finally got a prediction right. That quote was from a month ago. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1110 "2018-10-10T01:42:45Z")
Mike telling Gus “I’ll take care of it” - boy, that was rough… Maybe Mike thought it would be for the best if he executed Werner. God knows what Gus would do to the poor dolt before putting him out of his misery. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1111 "2018-10-10T02:03:03Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > Mike telling Gus “I’ll take care of it” - boy, that was rough… Maybe Mike thought it would be for the best if he executed Werner. God knows what Gus would do to the poor dolt before putting him out of his misery. My impression was that Mike feared that Gus would also have the wife killed. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1112 "2018-10-10T02:22:38Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > My impression was that Mike feared that Gus would also have the wife killed. I think it was more, “This was my fuck up so I will take care of fixing it.” Also, he would be able to do it more humanely and let Werner have more dignity. There was an extra bonus of getting more of Gus’s respect. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1113 "2018-10-10T02:31:49Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > My impression was that Mike feared that Gus would also have the wife killed. I’m pretty sure that if Mike hadn’t had Werner call his wife and convince her to go back to Germany, Gus would kill her to stop her from stirring up trouble in the US when he failed to turn up. The call to his wife wasn’t just to wrap that up with less effort from Mike, it was to save her life, and I think Gus would have prefered to have their bodies turn up together in a canyon or something along those lines. Also don’t think he would have used a method as quick and painless as a bullet to the head because that really marks up the body, Gus would probably use some kind of asphyxiation or poison that leaves less marks on the body and would make it easier to have the two of them found after an ‘accident’ in their rental car. I think Mike also felt like it was his responsibility since it was his screw up, but a last bit of compassion was the main motive. Also I think that Gus will respect him for voicing his disagreement but obeying orders when Gus put his foot down, and for the fact that Mike killed Werner even though he didn’t personally want to. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1114 "2018-10-10T06:06:19Z")
I’m so frustrated that I couldn’t join in the post-finale discussion until now. Stupid iTunes took until almost 22 hours later than normal to post the episode! :mad: Anyway, I’ll work my way through the comments forthwith, but I wanted to say that I’m almost sure someone’s going to complain that Jimmy was crazy to so openly crow about his scam while still in the same building—and they will be right. (Also, did the writers leave wiggle room as to whether he was actually reinstated, vs. some more middling “good news”, or is that just me reading too much into it?) ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1115 "2018-10-10T07:02:19Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I’m so frustrated that I couldn’t join in the post-finale discussion until now. Stupid iTunes took until almost 22 hours later than normal to post the episode! :mad: > > Anyway, I’ll work my way through the comments forthwith, but I wanted to say that I’m almost sure someone’s going to complain that Jimmy was crazy to so openly crow about his scam while still in the same building—and they will be right. (Also, did the writers leave wiggle room as to whether he was actually reinstated, vs. some more middling “good news”, or is that just me reading too much into it?) I think you’re reading too much into it. Jimmy will be back practicing law, but it will increasingly become the kind of law he’s most comfortable with, with the kind of clientele he met selling cellphones. In other words, the birth of the kind of business Saul thrives on. Km will become increasingly alienated by his alter ego—she’s already showing some deep concerns about his cavalier attitude toward being reinstated. ---
**Author:** ![DerNils](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerNils](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerNils)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1116 "2018-10-10T08:40:51Z")
I was really torn up by Jimmys speech in front of the bar. I had the dreading feeling that this would end up as a con, after all his acting on the graveyard and the Party they had shown us. But it COULD have been real, and as someone else said maybe was partly real. And the best part is - somewhere in between I thought “This is too real to be acted”, only to do a double take. I am watching TV, dammit - this is Bob Odenkirk on the Screen ACTING as Jimmy! Shows how powerful that Performance was. And seeing Kimmys heart break when he went full “Suckers ate my bull\*\*\*\*”, my heart broke right along. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1117 "2018-10-10T08:51:10Z")
I agree that the definite implication is that Werner’s wife would be murdered. If so, would this be the first time seen that Gus, or somebody acting on Gus’s orders, murders someone who is “not in the game”? Angie’s brother and Werner I would say are definitely part of the game. Margrethe Ziegler would not be. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1118 "2018-10-10T10:09:04Z")
Andrea, not Angie. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1119 "2018-10-10T10:13:49Z")
If Mrs. Werner is going to be murdered, why have Werner tell her to get back on the plane? She would be an easy target if she just went to the hotel and found a henchman there instead of her husband. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1120 "2018-10-10T10:34:37Z")
> [@DerNils](#): > > I was really torn up by Jimmys speech in front of the bar. I had the dreading feeling that this would end up as a con, after all his acting on the graveyard and the Party they had shown us. But it COULD have been real, and as someone else said maybe was partly real. And the best part is - somewhere in between I thought “This is too real to be acted”, only to do a double take. I am watching TV, dammit - this is Bob Odenkirk on the Screen ACTING as Jimmy! Shows how powerful that Performance was. > And seeing Kimmys heart break when he went full “Suckers ate my bull\*\*\*\*”, my heart broke right along. I was thinking, “jeez, dude, calm down” when he became verbally enthusiastic about the “suckers” while still in the building with them. At least wait until the parking lot. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1121 "2018-10-10T10:51:37Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > If Mrs. Werner is going to be murdered, why have Werner tell her to get back on the plane? She would be an easy target if she just went to the hotel and found a henchman there instead of her husband. My impression is that Mike just saved Frau Ziegler’s life. Mike doesn’t want her dead, neither does Gus. However if she had got off the plane, Gus may have seen it as necessary to kill her to keep his operation secure. Safely in Germany she can be told the tale they concoct about Werner’s death. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1122 "2018-10-10T12:27:58Z")
I’m confused about why Gus was showing the construction to Gayle - I noticed how adamant Gus was about not doing any cooking until it was complete, as Gayle was suggesting, so if nothing was to be done until completion (which is now on hold because the crew was sent packing) then why show Gayle the unfinished lab at all? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792.md?page=57)