# Better Call Saul: Season IV **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 30, 2018, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792 "2018-07-30T04:48:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1143 "2018-10-10T23:04:42Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I have the exact opposite impression. Interesting. Same here–I find JB to appear older and frailer than his actual years, while BO’s appearance never bothers me, show-chronology-wise. If enough production money were available, the adult actors could all be made to look the ‘correct’ age. (Viewers of _The Americans_ saw several examples of what’s possible with today’s CGI tech.) Of course that doesn’t explain the weirdness of Mike’s granddaughter’s age shifts. (Has that ever been addressed on one of the podcasts?) ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1144 "2018-10-10T23:07:32Z")
Season 5 prediction: When Mike kills Werner, he mentions that there will be “an accident” and lawyers to investigate and provide an explanation to his family. In BB, Saul is already an expert at concocting phony corporate records and inheritances and such; I suspect Mike will hire Saul to provide the cover story and supporting documents to Werner’s family. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1145 "2018-10-10T23:10:05Z")
If I had to guess about Caylee she’s so unimportant as a distinct “character”, that they felt justified fudging. They wanted a very one dimensional little kid, young enough for Mike to bond with but not a baby. Since they needed that in both BCS and BB they basically had to fudge her age. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1146 "2018-10-11T01:38:27Z")
Jimmy’s conversion to Saul is very interesting. Especially with his reaction to the girl previously convicted of shoplifting who did not get the scholarship. He realizes now that no matter what he does or how he acts, he will never get the respect of the big shots. So he is going to play a different game. It clearly is not the right or moral thing to do, but it is a real life reminder of how, say, convicted felons are treated when they are back in society. If they cannot ever get a job that can support their family, then what else can they do but go back to a life of crime? It is an interesting social commentary. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1147 "2018-10-11T03:14:15Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > 1. I think there will likely be a time shift and they basically never explain anything about the German crew or how they sell it to Werner’s wife. > > 2. But they skimped on parts of the narrative and it left me feeling several times that the scenarios involving the German crew just weren’t very realistic. > > 3. I have family that has done underground work, digging and blasting, albeit in a very different industry. There’s certainly some specialized skill here, but not “only can find a few small crews in the world that can do it” level of skill. The whole story makes a lot more sense if Gus found a South American or even Mexican crew that could do the work (and they would absolutely exist–they have mines everywhere and mining employs people with these skills); that sort of crew Gus could either probably find and control easier (like his Honduran cleaning ladies) or he could make them disappear easily and no one’s seriously going to be able to make a stink. Germany is a first world country, there would absolutely be stinks made if a German national disappears doing a secretive job in New Mexico and his wife goes to the authorities about it. 1. Most likely, unless as somebody else suggested this becomes the renewed connection between Mike and Saul. Maybe they haven’t decided yet (I wonder how far in advance they do decide major themes) 2. I agree not realistic in a number of ways. 3. Lots of people could do, and yeah they have silver mines in Mexico that have been worked for 100’s of years and still being worked with new techniques. But back to realism, probably nobody could do it without anyone noticing. Noting that a) this is lot more digging than a tunnel to free somebody from prison or smuggle drugs, and b) those aren’t ‘noticed’ because done where you can pay a small number of people not to notice, not the idea of a crew not knowing where they were in the US (which BTW was blown by the ‘R&R’ right?) and nobody around noticing because of synchronized sounds by trucks etc. I wondered whether some building project where they dug a foundation, then the project got ‘cancelled’ and they could cover up that they never filled it back in, might have been a more plausible idea to work with than a totally secret project. ---
**Author:** ![half-elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@half-elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/half-elf)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1148 "2018-10-11T04:48:09Z")
Can somebody help me figure out how/ when Werner made plans with his wife to meet on that date/ this hotel/ OK honey I’ll be on that flight? If they did it on the long phone call from the compound, does it mean the guys listening in where lying to Mike/ incompetent/ paid off by Werner? 😕😕 ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1149 "2018-10-11T08:18:07Z")
It’s easy enough to cover Werner’s death. His work involves blasting. Just rig a fake blasting accident that takes his head off. Or, a crane tipped and crushed his head. They may have to buy a property and fake up a job site, but that would be good cover anyway for the reason Werner was in the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1150 "2018-10-11T08:24:48Z")
> [@erysichthon](#): > > I wouldn’t say Jimmy knocked it out of the park; his little lecture on constitutional law (in response to the “how have you been keeping up with the field” question) seemed rehearsed and painfully phony to me. I could imagine it pinging the board members’ bullshit detectors. I don’t know the ins and outs of these things, but it strikes me as unfair to expect something like that to not be rehearsed. My expectation would be that just as in a job interview, being well rehearsed is a sign of respect, that you are taking it seriously. > [@erysichthon](#): > > My take on that scene is that the board wanted some assurance that Jimmy’s document forgery was purely the result of his dysfunctional relationship with Chuck, and not a symptom of general ethical impairment. I didn’t think the board actually believed Jimmy forged the documents—otherwise they would have disbarred him rather than suspending him (which was ultimately a punishment for breaking in and taking the tape). Wasn’t that the point of the whole scheme with Huell and getting Chuck to go all Captain Bligh on the witness stand? > [@hajario](#): > > Ha! I finally got a prediction right. That quote was from a month ago. Well done! You do indeed deserve credit. 🙂 > [@Pantastic](#): > > I think it’s reading too much into it. That would be a cheap trick, and they have said they don’t like those and avoid using them in the show. They’re happy to misdirect, but it’s ‘fair’ misdirection, not the ‘Glen in the trash bin’ schlock. It would also break the dramatic irony they created for the end of the season/episode with Jimmy’s successful scam winning him the day but losing Kim, especially when people binge watch the whole series in the future. I’m also not sure what other ‘good news’ there would be since he’s either reinstated or not, they didn’t establish that there was some halfway point he might get. They’ve also heated up the Cartel side of the story by having Lalo realize that Gus is hiding something, have the immediate problem of Kim’s reaction to Jimmy, and haven’t laid any groundwork for what Jimmy would do for the next year as a non-lawyer, so they would stuck on him plot-wise but unable to just skip a year to the review board (which would be pretty pointless anyway). You are right about every bit of that. I still don’t understand why they had the woman (a secretary of some kind, I guess?) say “Mr. McGill, there’s some good news” and then had Jimmy cut her off with “believe me, I already know” and then never have her actually say he’s reinstated. That’s a weird way to write the scene if there’s nothing more to it. I predict there is some kind of catch. It wouldn’t be good news if he was simply denied. So maybe he is reinstated with some kind of condition attached that he will find onerous next season. > [@Lamoral](#): > > The one character I thought would be in BCS by now, is Kuby, Huell’s co-enforcer in _Breaking Bad_ and the one loose end of that show (we never find out what happened to him at the end.) I’m hoping Kuby shows up next season, because I always loved Bill Burr’s performance in that role, especially his ridiculous con job with the dump truck in _Dead Freight_ (the train heist episode.) “Hey, you guys know anything about engines? Of course you do, you’re engineers! Uh, I think it’s something in there.” [gestures vaguely at truck’s engine.] His lines in the scene where they go to Beneke’s house are also hilarious. (Although how could Beneke _not_ have cable?) I love Kuby too, and “Breaking Bad” was what introduced me to Burr (his Netflix comedy specials are highly recommended). I would flip it around the other way, though: to me, the stuff at Beneke’s house is peak Kuby (that whole episode is so great, with really intense drama but also other funny parts, like Walt asking if they really had to smuggle him into the lab in hampers full of dirty—as opposed to clean—laundry, and getting the simple answer “no”). And I’m sure Ted had cable. Kuby was just saying it would suck if he didn’t, and instead of responding one way or the other, Ted made his ill-fated run for it. > [@Pantastic](#): > > From checking the Wiki, if you want to see this you should watch Breaking Bad Season 3 episodes 7 and 8. Gale actually recommends the better chef to Gus, but he does get to cook in the super lab for a while with Walt. Walt then decides that he wants Jessie back - on the surface to stop him from suing Hank, but really because Gale is too much on Walt’s level to suit Walt’s ego. Walt tells Gale the wrong temperature for a tank, then ‘fires’ Gale because he wants his own assistant. Gale is extremely confused by this, especially when Jesse walks in in full ‘chemistry, bitch’ appearance. And then of course Gus subsequently forces Walt to take Gale back as an assistant, with an eye toward having Gale learn all Walt’s secrets and replacing him. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > If enough production money were available, the adult actors could all be made to look the ‘correct’ age. (Viewers of _The Americans_ saw several examples of what’s possible with today’s CGI tech.) Funny that you cite “The Americans”. It’s one of my very favorite shows of recent years, just like BB and BCS, but I’m fairly certain their budget was smaller than BCS’s. And I recall finding their depictions of the lead characters from twenty years earlier fairly risible in the first couple seasons, although I do think they got better later on. > [@AK84](#): > > The deep care taken to house, protect and entertain the crew, contrasts with the almost childlike naivety they treated the cabin fever that they have to have known would have resulted. > We saw how they handled security, and the worst thing was ghensystem was clearly good enough to handle it. _Ok, bedrooms are there. Knock yourselves out on the beer fountain and games for rest. Every two weeks we take you to a town for R&R over the weekend. In three months you can go home for one week. These gentlemen will go along for the weekend trips to “assist” you, you will not get paid until after you return from your home trips. Procedure for out of town trips is the same as what got you here._ I’m not sure what you meant by “ghensystem”, but I think your overall argument is sound. > [@Pantastic](#): > > Like I said before, the Saul part of the story is miles better than the Cartel part this season. I always prefer it, although I still like the Mike/Gus/Nacho side pretty well. I’m thinking about watching just the Saul portion of the show with my wife. I wonder how much time that would cut? Is it maybe about two-thirds of the overall running time of the series, you think? > [@DrCube](#): > > [Here’s Peter Gould, breaking down the writing process a bit](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/07/arts/television/better-call-saul-writers-room.html), by explaining how they got Huell out of his predicament. That was really interesting—thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1151 "2018-10-11T10:53:14Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Jonathan Banks on the other hand, he’s one of those dudes that’s looked “vaguely older” for a long time. Like he could be anywhere from 50-75 based on his appearance, both now and back when Breaking Bad was airing. His age is all over the place, fifty-five, up to seventy-two… what an asshole! ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1152 "2018-10-11T14:18:37Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > He realizes now that no matter what he does or how he acts, he will never get the respect of the big shots. So he is going to play a different game. I think “realizes” should be in quotes though, because the statement is not actually true. Davis and Main were big shots, and were willing to hire him in to a full position despite his lack of experience or good schools, work with him, and after he made a major ‘we’d usually fire someone for this’ decision they kept him on and assigned a junior lawyer to work with him to help him do the work right. He chose not to listen to what they told him and even repeatedly went against what they said, and started acting badly in an attempt to get fired (which succeeded). The speech he gave “The shoplifter” was based on a lie that he tells himself, the reality is that his lack of respect from the big shots is precisely because of what he did and how he acts. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1153 "2018-10-11T14:58:00Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I didn’t think the board actually believed Jimmy forged the documents—otherwise they would have disbarred him rather than suspending him (which was ultimately a punishment for breaking in and taking the tape). Wasn’t that the point of the whole scheme with Huell and getting Chuck to go all Captain Bligh on the witness stand? Yeah, no one but Jimmy and Kim believe that Jimmy forged any documents, if they did then he wouldn’t be suspended but instead straight up disbarred. Chuck of course did believe it, but he’s no longer alive. I think Howard did believe Chuck until the court scene shattered his opinion of Chuck, but I’m pretty sure he thinks Chuck was mistaken now. > [@](#): > > You are right about every bit of that. I still don’t understand why they had the woman (a secretary of some kind, I guess?) say “Mr. McGill, there’s some good news” and then had Jimmy cut her off with “believe me, I already know” and then never have her actually say he’s reinstated. That’s a weird way to write the scene if there’s nothing more to it. I predict there is some kind of catch. It wouldn’t be good news if he was simply denied. So maybe he is reinstated with some kind of condition attached that he will find onerous next season. I think it’s written that way for dramatic emphasis. The switch in mood that Jimmy was faking all of the emotion he showed in his testimony, that the catharsis really was a mask he put on. In the speech he’s contrite and trembling, a broken man who is deeply sad about the death of his brother and, while he isn’t sure if he’ll be reinstated, is going to live his life living up to his brother’s ideals. When the secretary comes up for him to sign documents, all of that is just switched off. He fooled the suckers, he’s so cocky about the reinstatement that he doesn’t even wait to hear it, or keep on the mask until the ink is dry on the paperwork. Addressing the secretary with “Oh and sweetheart” and giving Kim “It’s all good, man” with finger guns is Kim’s (and, chronologically, our) first view of the Saul Goodman that will be in Breaking Bad, and it leaves her looking like a lost little girl at the end. Realistically he’d be smart enough not to shout out how stupid he thinks the board is within earshot of other people and to keep the contrite mask on until the paperwork was all filed and proper, but that would require adding a lot of ‘finding a parking space’ time to the episode and would drag out the discovery time for Kim, which would not provide as intense of a dramatic realization. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1154 "2018-10-11T15:34:21Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > I think “realizes” should be in quotes though, because the statement is not actually true. Davis and Main were big shots, and were willing to hire him in to a full position despite his lack of experience or good schools, work with him, and after he made a major ‘we’d usually fire someone for this’ decision they kept him on and assigned a junior lawyer to work with him to help him do the work right. He chose not to listen to what they told him and even repeatedly went against what they said, and started acting badly in an attempt to get fired (which succeeded). The speech he gave “The shoplifter” was based on a lie that he tells himself, the reality is that his lack of respect from the big shots is precisely because of what he did and how he acts. I agree that D&M (and Howard) have opened the door for Jimmy. But he’s not really thinking of them. The only approval he’s ever really looked for is Chuck’s. And he’s known for a long time that Chuck would not - ever - give Jimmy McGill Esquire approval and respect. This was symbolised by the partners in Chuck’s old law firm not giving the shoplifter a second chance. In the hearing, he faked catharsis by saying he would dedicate himself to living up to his brother’s standards. And most of that speech was sincere: Chuck had high standards; if he felt you lived up to them then he was wonderful to be around; if he didn’t, he could be a real son of a bitch. Jimmy knew now he could never be Chuck. All of that was true. What was fake was the conclusion he claimed he drew from it. Jimmy broke down in the car because he realised, sitting in his shitty Esteem, that he’s been chasing a mirage. And of course the upshot of that breakdown was that he’s not going to chase it any more. He’s going to do the law his way, and to hell with Chuck and the stick up his arse. That was his true moment of catharsis. Kim’s sudden collision with this reality was heartbreaking. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1155 "2018-10-11T15:36:28Z")
Something my wife caught in the opening when the partners were sponsoring their proteges: PArtner 1: "It is my pleasure… PArtner 2: "I am very pleased to… Partner 3: "It is my pleasure to… Chuck: "I stand before you to… He wasn’t pleased, and he wasn’t going to say so. A small detail, but dead true to the character. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1156 "2018-10-11T16:16:44Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > I agree that D&M (and Howard) have opened the door for Jimmy. But he’s not really thinking of them. The only approval he’s ever really looked for is Chuck’s. He isn’t thinking of them, but he was TALKING about them in his speech to The Shoplifter. That’s why I say that it’s not true (and avoided calling it a lie) - Jimmy has huge unresolved issues related to Chuck and projects the Jimmy-Chuck conflict out onto the world. His advice to her would be great for his younger self about relating to Chuck, but is divorced from reality when it’s to her about dealing with the lawyering world. If Jimmy was willing to go into therapy and face harsh truths he might untangle it, but as it is he’s going to destroy himself trying to win a struggle against a dead man. (Also, don’t think it got mentioned here, but I like the touch that the panel’s question for her was about working with elders. Makes another connection that Jimmy can see with her.) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1157 "2018-10-11T16:45:01Z")
> [@Corry\_El](#): > > I wondered whether some building project where they dug a foundation, then the project got ‘cancelled’ and they could cover up that they never filled it back in, might have been a more plausible idea to work with than a totally secret project. As we’ve seen more of the excavation project, it’s become more and more implausible. As I and others have said, there’s a problem in the inconsistency. The point of having the lab under the laundry is to make it unlikely to be discovered. However, making a huge excavation under a working laundry with a crew of seven foreigners over a course of at least six months (as originally planned, actually more than a year) enormously increases the chance of the project being discovered. So the trade off hardly seems worth it. They could have also purchased an existing building with a basement, then converted it into a laundry while concealing it. (Of course that involves avoiding building inspectors from checking it, but that doesn’t seem as much of a problem as excavating a new one secretly.) The Superlab in BB was an element that was included because of its coolness factor. Then in BCS the writers were faced with the task of explaining how it came to be. They decided to have fun with it, rather than take a more prosaic approach. We’re still a good five years away from Gale actually setting up the Superlab, so it will be interesting to see what additional setbacks that delay it further. I agree that Lalo is a worth adversary for Gus and Mike. Since he’s apparently still around at least initially in BB (Saul refers to him), it will be interesting to see how he is thrown off the scent without being killed. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1158 "2018-10-11T16:57:43Z")
So, any idea how long the wait will be for the next 10 eps? Guarantee that with my pretty superficial interest, I’ll have forgotten any number of subtle points by then! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![half-elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@half-elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/half-elf)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1159 "2018-10-11T16:57:55Z")
Apologies if I appear pushy but I am terrified that my question might get buried now the thread is on a new page and I will die unenlightened. So I’m just re-posting it here in the hope that anybody has some insight or if I missed something really obvious. > [@half-elf](#): > > Can somebody help me figure out how/ when Werner made plans with his wife to meet on that date/ this hotel/ OK honey I’ll be on that flight? > > If they did it on the long phone call from the compound, does it mean the guys listening in where lying to Mike/ incompetent/ paid off by Werner? 😕😕 ---
**Author:** ![Nicest\_of\_the\_Damned](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8baadc/32.png) [@Nicest\_of\_the\_Damned](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nicest_of_the_Damned)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1160 "2018-10-11T17:22:00Z")
I assumed he just managed to find a phone somewhere after his escape and called her collect. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1161 "2018-10-11T17:22:02Z")
Since we are not shown how he did it, your guess is as good as anyone else’s. Interesting speculation that Werner could have paid off one of the minders, but there’s no evidence he has access to them directly. In any case, if he did it that way I think Mike would figure it out very quickly. He most likely somehow called his wife after escaping. The fact that he had to wait around for several hours at the TravelWire office for the money to arrive suggests that she didn’t have much notice in advance. If he had called her earlier the money would have been there before he got there. And I think it’s implied that he decided on the hotel to meet her at based on the brochures next to the phone in the TravelWire office. He called her to coordinate from there. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792/1162 "2018-10-11T17:44:38Z")
There’s the possibility that he called her from the bar while Mike was out dealing with Kai during the R&R. Possibly setting up some code they could use in the next, longer phone call that Mike’s crew listened in on. So “we’ll have to go to Baden Baden when you get back” could have meant “Let’s go to a hot springs resort when I meet you in New Mexico”. Exact details could have been worked out after he escaped. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-call-saul-season-iv/818792.md?page=59)