# Better Conservatives? Where?! (A response to Coffeecat) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2018, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208 "2018-09-30T08:43:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/181 "2018-10-02T19:05:26Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Hey, I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve scrutiny. It’s just that there is a trial and people will make up their minds based on all sorts of things. Debating what they should make up their minds on is part of the process as well. It’s not a trial. What people are making up their minds about is what opinion they should have of this man. Nobody is deciding to burn him at the stake, or drown him, or hang him, or put him in jail for 20 years. They’re deciding whether to think he’s a scumbag. Debating the process for deciding whether a guy’s a scumbag? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/182 "2018-10-02T19:06:03Z")
He may or may not be guilty, but he sure did act like an entitled douche. With the stakes this high, we now all know that we can’t trust this guy to be honest about partying in High School. Why put someone like that on the Supreme Court? Also, no one has asked where is the evidence that all this is a political hit job by the D’s. Gorsuch didn’t get this, and his seating was potentially more controversial since Garland never even got a hearing. So, Dem hit job? Not enough evidence to convict on that point, sir, and why can’t you stick to the subject? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/183 "2018-10-02T19:11:29Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’d say he came across as an unhinged nut. At the very least, I’d say he lacks the temperament, imo, to be one of most influential people in the world. Since we’re in the Pit I can say that you often appear to be, _by far_, the most reasonable of all the right-wing idiots on the Board. I hope you take that as a compliment! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/184 "2018-10-02T19:24:48Z")
I hijacked a GD thread to ask this question, and was rightfully reprimanded for it. So let me try again here, in a more appropriate venue. > [@octopus](#): > > I’d say he came across as an unhinged nut. At the very least, I’d say he lacks the temperament, imo, to be one of most influential people in the world. The performance of Kavanaugh when he tried to rebut Ford’s allegations was _unbelievable_. I was reminded of Alex Jones, based on his malice, conspiracy theories and ranting. Regardless of your politics, regardless of whether you’ve studied Kavanaugh’s resume or his judicial record, _ **Kavanaugh’s behavior was not the behavior of any person qualified to be a judge.** _ **Octopus** understands this. Have any of our other right-wingers acknowledged this? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/185 "2018-10-02T19:38:08Z")
While our “better conservatives” are chewing on their response to #184, let me ask them another question: [In a recent press conference Trump needed to insult a female news reporter (“You’re not thinking; you never do.”)](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-lashes-out-at-female-reporter-i-know-youre-not-thinking-you-never-do) Click the video at the link to hear the context and the wording. My question isn’t about that. Trump got elected _because_ he’s a sexist racist lying pig and that’s what you right-wingers like about him. Fine. But my question is: Do you approve that the White House changed its official transcript of the conference to replace “thinking” with “thanking”? Do you approve of White House and other top government officials lying? **Quartz**? I think you qualify as a right-winger — do you have any opinions? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/186 "2018-10-02T19:40:16Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > He may or may not be guilty, but he sure did act like an entitled douche. With the stakes this high, we now all know that we can’t trust this guy to be honest about partying in High School. Why put someone like that on the Supreme Court? > > Also, no one has asked where is the evidence that all this is a political hit job by the D’s. Gorsuch didn’t get this, and his seating was potentially more controversial since Garland never even got a hearing. So, Dem hit job? Not enough evidence to convict on that point, sir, and why can’t you stick to the subject? The reason some folks think it was a ‘hit job’ is because the allegations were sat on until the last minute and then brought out (against the wishes of Dr. Ford). So, yeah…that’s not a completely irrational supposition, IMHO. It pretty clearly was a political move by the Dems, at least from the Pubs perspective. Your point about Garland is true, as pretty clearly the Pubs deliberately stalled until after the election. Just watched a video from one of the channels I subscribe to (America Uncovered…same guy who does China Uncensored) that I thought was interesting. Check it out if you like (Chris isn’t a Republican in any way, shape or form): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDECYTcV0HQ&feature=em-uploademail](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDECYTcV0HQ&feature=em-uploademail) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/187 "2018-10-02T19:46:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is all true…but considering the intended audience I thought it best to apply the KISS rule. KISS? **K** eep **I** t **S** oused **S** onnyboy (if the audience is Kavanaugh’s supporters)? > [@Quartz](#): > > In 2013 [Bijan Ebrahimi was murdered](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25139185) in the UK for being suspected of being a paedophile. He was entirely innocent. I missed the part where a random felon in another country was part of the United States Senate. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/188 "2018-10-02T19:56:26Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > In 2013 [Bijan Ebrahimi was murdered](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25139185) in the UK for being suspected of being a paedophile. He was entirely innocent. [POST=21239769]Squee! Squee! Squee![/POST] Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/189 "2018-10-02T20:05:45Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I missed the part where a random felon in another country was part of the United States Senate. We were trying to class the joint up. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/190 "2018-10-02T20:06:16Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > But my question is: Do you approve that the White House changed its official transcript of the conference to replace “thinking” with “thanking”? Do you approve of White House and other top government officials lying? Nobody in the history of ever has ever said “You’re not thanking” without following “thanking” with a direct object. _That_ is how simple this administration sees its supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/191 "2018-10-02T20:13:31Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Also, no one has asked where is the evidence that all this is a political hit job by the D’s. Gorsuch didn’t get this, and his seating was potentially more controversial since Garland never even got a hearing. So, Dem hit job? Not enough evidence to convict on that point, sir, and why can’t you stick to the subject? The GOP always says anything like this is a Dem hit job because that is the way they do it, so they think that is how everybody does it. It’s called projection. They are incapable of understanding that on the D side there are actually people who want to get at the truth in investigations (I KNOW! Can you imagine?) To them, investigations are just opportunities for political shenanigans, that is their only purpose (Bengahzi x100). ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/192 "2018-10-02T20:50:46Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > No. That aspect doesn’t concern me. > > I’m not - politically - a sympathiser either; I do, however, object to him being deemed guilty without evidence or a trial. Mob rule is no rule. > > I would have thought Americans had learned that from the Salem Witch Trials. I would have thought you had learned by just reading some of the responses to your posts that you’re still not comprehending the concerns that people have about Kavanaugh. What is fair to say, at minimum, is that he has been lacking candor in responding to questions about his previous transgressions. We have multiple witnesses who are apparently on record making statements to that effect, whether we’re talking about his drinking or his drunken behavior. The fact that he acted like a frat boy and apparently made both men and women in his presence uncomfortable might be a forgivable sin, but when applying for the a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land, lacking candor harms the perceived credibility of the institution. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/193 "2018-10-02T20:54:29Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > The GOP always says anything like this is a Dem hit job because that is the way they do it, so they think that is how everybody does it. It’s called projection. They are incapable of understanding that on the D side there are actually people who want to get at the truth in investigations (I KNOW! Can you imagine?) To them, investigations are just opportunities for political shenanigans, that is their only purpose (Bengahzi x100). Oh, they understand it; they understand it very well. They know that the more they can distort everyone’s perceptions of what the truth is, the less that being truthful - about anything - matters. The Republicans on Capitol Hill aren’t confused at all. They want more people like Quartz to get confused about the issues. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/194 "2018-10-02T21:00:46Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Is Kavanaugh a pedophile now? Are we threatening to murder him? > > Did I miss a memo? There was that USA Today op ed, that said he shouldn’t be allowed to coach girls basketball anymore. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/195 "2018-10-02T21:27:04Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Oh, they understand it; they understand it very well. They know that the more they can distort everyone’s perceptions of what the truth is, the less that being truthful - about anything - matters. The Republicans on Capitol Hill aren’t confused at all. They want more people like Quartz to get confused about the issues. Indeed, the Quartzes of the world play an important role: the GOP releases the talking points on Fox and the little brains scurry over to the web and repeat them verbatim and then argue with the great convict that only a true idiot can possess. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/196 "2018-10-02T21:32:52Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Really? TTBOMK there is the complainant’s accusation and that’s it. No DNA evidence, no physical evidence, no witnesses, no nothing. There is one witness: the complainant. Her statement is evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reindeer_flotilla/32/3024_2.png) [@Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reindeer_Flotilla)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/197 "2018-10-02T21:37:47Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is all true…but considering the intended audience I thought it best to apply the KISS rule. > [@Slash1972](#): > > Everyone rock and roll all nite and party every day? I think it’s more like “Oh my God, no time to turn”. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/198 "2018-10-02T21:47:38Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **Quartz**? I think you qualify as a right-winger — do you have any opinions? Sorry, but I’m a bit of a leftie. Probably well to the left by US standards - I support gay marriage, UHC, welfare state, etc, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/199 "2018-10-02T21:49:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > There is one witness: the complainant. Her statement is evidence. Alright then, no supporting or corroborating evidence. It’s just her word. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/200 "2018-10-02T22:09:29Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Sorry, but I’m a bit of a leftie. Probably well to the left by US standards - I support gay marriage, UHC, welfare state, etc, etc. Sorry, forgot the one that has got me into trouble here: equal rights. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208.md?page=11)