# Better Conservatives? Where?! (A response to Coffeecat) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2018, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208 "2018-09-30T08:43:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/281 "2018-10-03T20:31:40Z")
> [@AnthonyElite](#): > > Of course it does - I’m not psychotic - even with the anonymity of the internet we prefer strangers to view us favorably, no? I don’t actually care all that much what people I don’t know want to think of me. I try to comport myself online as I do in normal life – thought sometimes the anonymity makes it too easy to do otherwise – but if someone doesn’t like me because of what I wrote, well, it isn’t like I have to live near them or work with them or whatnot. > [@AnthonyElite](#): > > But at least assume I’m logical enough to realize if I support locking up someone who isn’t guilty I might be the next person locked up. Who is talking about locking anyone up? > [@AnthonyElite](#): > > Great - continue to lose while you live in your bubble. Take a step back for a second – you’ve portrayed yourself as someone who has no time for the personal attacks on conservatives that you believe are endemic to this board. And then after a short period of time, you start making personal comments like this? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/282 "2018-10-03T20:32:00Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > [Here’s one](https://www.salon.com/2018/09/27/poll-majority-of-republicans-want-brett-kavanaugh-confirmed-even-if-assault-accusations-are-true/). Do you have a cite from a more neutral source? Because that’s a dreadful poll result. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/283 "2018-10-03T20:35:50Z")
> [@Kearsen](#): > > I think conflating Republicans with Donald Trump et al isn’t the correct way to go about vilifying 50% of Americans. There are quite a lot of Republicans that do not support everything Donald Trump stands for or does. In fact , I’d bet the majority of the Republicans on this board probably think he is an idiot. But, get this, they are still Republicans because they agree with more of that platform than the platform of the Democrats. Where the fuck are these “quite a lot of Republicans that do not support everything Donald Trump stands for or does,” and their representatives in Congress, because a cursory look over the voting records for the last couple of years shows a pretty consistent party line support for Trump’s agenda, even when it is against general GOP principles. Donald Trump was selected by the Republican party as their leader, and the House and Senate, both of which have current Republican majorities, have falling in line. There could be “good Republicans” who actually stand up for their principles, but they are not in plain view. Or is the story that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are just saving up their political capital for some rainy day resistance? > [@AnthonyElite](#): > > Again - MOST REPUBLICANS think Hillary is guilty and want to see her get her day in trial. Sure there are some that want her locked up no matter what. That isn’t the majority. If you think it is then it must be terribly stressful for you just stepping outside to get a cup of coffee with all these demons running around. Or, OR it’s a childish notion to think most adults are evil. Guilty of what? She used a private e-mail server for government communications, which is a violation that the FBI investigated and the Department of Justice declined to prosecute, both because they deemed it not a significant security lapse nor outside the very common practice of using private e-mail accounts. It was obtuse, entitled, and short-sighted of her to do so (and her explanation for doing so despite advice to contrary shows a willful lack of regard for following government regulations) but it isn’t a “LOCK HER UP!” offense. Whitewater, Benghazi, and the questionable use of the Clinton Foundation have all been investigated and found to be without sufficient basis for prosecution. Benghazi in particular—the neoconservative _casus belli_—has been investigated by the FBI, five House committees, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the House Select Committee, and Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, with not enough evidence of any personal wrongdoing by Clinton to warrant a jaywalking ticket. Now, Hillary Clinton and her husband have do some shady things, but in the words of conservative commentator P.J. O’Rourke, “[Hillary Clinton being elected to the presidency] is the second-worst thing that can happen to this country, but she’s way behind in second place. She’s wrong about absolutely everything, but she’s wrong within normal parameters." The biggest real offense Hillary has committed against the public good was tacitly denying the claims of women who accused her husband of sexual advances and assaults, which is something Trump himself can only hint around about because of his own direct history and multiple allegations. So, again, exactly what crimes should Hillary Clinton be put on crime for? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/284 "2018-10-03T20:41:45Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Where the fuck are these “quite a lot of Republicans that do not support everything Donald Trump stands for or does,” and their representatives in Congress, because a cursory look over the voting records for the last couple of years shows a pretty consistent party line support for Trump’s agenda, even when it is against general GOP principles. Donald Trump was selected by the Republican party as their leader, and the House and Senate, both of which have current Republican majorities, have falling in line. There could be “good Republicans” who actually stand up for their principles, but they are not in plain view. Or is the story that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are just saving up their political capital for some rainy day resistance? > > Guilty of what? She used a private e-mail server for government communications, which is a violation that the FBI investigated and the Department of Justice declined to prosecute, both because they deemed it not a significant security lapse nor outside the very common practice of using private e-mail accounts. It was obtuse, entitled, and short-sighted of her to do so (and her explanation for doing so despite advice to contrary shows a willful lack of regard for following government regulations) but it isn’t a “LOCK HER UP!” offense. Whitewater, Benghazi, and the questionable use of the Clinton Foundation have all been investigated and found to be without sufficient basis for prosecution. Benghazi in particular—the neoconservative _casus belli_—has been investigated by the FBI, five House committees, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the House Select Committee, and Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, with not enough evidence of any personal wrongdoing by Clinton to warrant a jaywalking ticket. > > Now, Hillary Clinton and her husband have do some shady things, but in the words of conservative commentator P.J. O’Rourke, “[Hillary Clinton being elected to the presidency] is the second-worst thing that can happen to this country, but she’s way behind in second place. She’s wrong about absolutely everything, but she’s wrong within normal parameters." The biggest real offense Hillary has committed against the public good was tacitly denying the claims of women who accused her husband of sexual advances and assaults, which is something Trump himself can only hint around about because of his own direct history and multiple allegations. > > So, again, exactly what crimes should Hillary Clinton be put on crime for? > > Stranger The main thing I’ve seen a lot of conservatives talk about wrt Hillary and a crime she could be persecuted is her security violations. Basically, if you are a low level schmucky and you violated security in a similar way to Hillary you would go to jail, or at a minimum, lose your clearance and your job. That’s true enough as far as it goes. Of course, in my own experience, I can give plenty of anecdotes about higher level officials violating security in similar ways and not going to jail, so to me there is a systemic issue, especially with appointed political officials and security. Hillary is simply another high level ass who did what she wanted wrt security, and if you are going to lock her up you’d probably be locking up a hell of a lot of other elected and appointed officials as well. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/285 "2018-10-03T20:42:37Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Do you have a cite from a more neutral source? Because that’s a dreadful poll result. Marist is a respected polling outfit, with a very, very slight Republican lean. > **[Pollster Ratings](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/)** > > FiveThirtyEight’s pollster ratings are calculated by analyzing the historical accuracy and methodology of each firm’s polls. ---
**Author:** ![AnthonyElite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@AnthonyElite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnthonyElite)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/286 "2018-10-03T20:50:45Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I don’t actually care all that much what people I don’t know want to think of me. I try to comport myself online as I do in normal life – thought sometimes the anonymity makes it too easy to do otherwise – but if someone doesn’t like me because of what I wrote, well, it isn’t like I have to live near them or work with them or whatnot. > > Who is talking about locking anyone up? > Take a step back for a second – you’ve portrayed yourself as someone who has no time for the personal attacks on conservatives that you believe are endemic to this board. And then after a short period of time, you start making personal comments like this? Oh I meant that more as in a general democratic sense - if they don’t get outside their bubble of “all republicans are evil” they will continue to lose and it is unfortunate because they have plenty of great points. For example I am sick to fucking death of environment being a partisan issue - we should all want clean water and air to breathe and I have no clue why Repubs fight that. I miss the environmental conservative side of conservative. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/287 "2018-10-03T21:05:34Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Well, duh. They’d say it was crisis actors hired by those you mention. And, yes, I’m stealing that line about darker than a soda cracker. And it would all be fake news anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/288 "2018-10-03T21:06:04Z")
> [@AnthonyElite](#): > > For example I am sick to fucking death of environment being a partisan issue - we should all want clean water and air to breathe and I have no clue why Repubs fight that. I miss the environmental conservative side of conservative. They fight it because their benefactors are heavily invested in businesses that want to roll back environmental regulations. Many Democrats (including Hillary Clinton) have their own problems with dark money campaign donors influencing policy in ways that are opposed to the public interest, but with Republicans it is a universal problems to the point that John McCain was coerced into shutting the hell up about it because of how much it upset the GOP mainline. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/289 "2018-10-03T21:12:38Z")
> [@AnthonyElite](#): > > I’m saying Republicans don’t post here because every single thing said will be examined in the worst possible light and since they aren’t the majority here the crowd will be against them and therefore even if they are right they would be deemed wrong. > > To phrase this question differently: What benefit would any republican have in posting here? They go off to their own echo chambers as you live in your own echo chamber. > > Though knowing the Straightdope mentality you folks assume only **other** people can make logical fallacies and you’d never be guilty of any yourself. > > The board in total is guilty of what any echo chamber would be - assuming the other side has no rational good points. Assuming that there is no middle ground. So why bother when you have already made up your mind? No well-made point would change you anyway. I’d rather lurk the non-politics threads where I can continue to interact with you treating you as humans and me as human because we are likely all good people. It’s unfortunate that it is that way but also true. Precisely. Lying about your argument. Ad-hominem attacks. Whining to the mods as a an organized group. Getting you banned. That’s how the echo chamber stays an echo chamber. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/290 "2018-10-03T21:34:06Z")
> [@bump](#): > > There’s the answer; I know a LOT of people who have historically have leaned right of center, but not too far- moderates, I guess. Along with a few of the milder self-labeled conservatives. Most voted for W, Rick Perry, Dole, McCain, etc… > > None of them are supporting Trump or the Republican party; most have found his statements and behavior abhorrent, and the party’s kowtowing and toadying repugnant. > > The few people I know who are actually still supporting Trump fall into 3 categories- the rural types that feel the Democratic party doesn’t represent them/who feel it > primarily represents inner city blacks, people who are scared of ongoing societal change(usu. elderly and fearful), and those who literally have something wrong with them- mental illness, mild dementia, etc… > > Nobody I know who’s rational, adult and not ancient has spoken a peep about supporting Trump, so either they are all against him, or they’re too embarrassed/cowed to speak up. People on my brother’s branch of the fam, especially his daughters, are vocal about their support of Trump. Rational? Nope, especially since the older one agrees with Franklin Graham that Trump is keeping us safe from nuke wars with North Korea, would never force her to vaccinate her kids, is a great businessman, and not nearly as much of a womanizer as Hillary is (yes, the niece actually posted this). She also believes that Paul Ryan is correct in saying that prayer is the answer to mass shooting. At least some of the rest of the fam is more sensible. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/291 "2018-10-03T21:39:37Z")
> [@AnthonyElite](#): > > For example I am sick to fucking death of environment being a partisan issue - we should all want clean water and air to breathe and I have no clue why Repubs fight that. Here’s a clue: [How Republicans came to embrace anti-environmentalism](https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/7/6/17540154/scott-pruitt-resigns-epa-republicans-environmentalism) > [@Kearsen](#): > > I think conflating Republicans with Donald Trump et al isn’t the correct way to go about vilifying 50% of Americans. There are quite a lot of Republicans that do not support everything Donald Trump stands for or does. Given that Republicans chose to nominate and elect Donald Trump “et al” as the leaders of our country, and that [currently nearly 90% of Republicans say they approve of how Trump is handling his job as president](https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx), I think Republicans don’t have a leg to stand on when they complain about the unfairness of “conflating” them with Trump. You bought him, you pay for him. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/292 "2018-10-03T21:40:06Z")
> [@AnthonyElite](#): > > Again - MOST REPUBLICANS think Hillary is guilty Of what, exactly? Serious question. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/293 "2018-10-03T21:45:25Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s how the echo chamber stays an echo chamber. :rolleyes: This place is pretty much an “echo chamber” not just on the general unfitness of Donald Trump for high office but also on such topics as the shape of the earth, the lack of objective evidence for the existence of a supernatural deity, and the overall validity of climate science. There are some things that elicit near-unanimous agreement not because the people agreeing with them constitute an unthinking hive mind, but because the overwhelming preponderance of evidence indicates that they’re true. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/294 "2018-10-03T21:52:05Z")
> [@Kearsen](#): > > I think conflating Republicans with Donald Trump et al isn’t the correct way to go about vilifying 50% of Americans. There are quite a lot of Republicans that do not support everything Donald Trump stands for or does. In fact , I’d bet the majority of the Republicans on this board probably think he is an idiot. But, get this, they are still Republicans because they agree with more of that platform than the platform of the Democrats. > > I am one. What would it take for you to stop supporting the Republican party? Where is your line where the negatives outweigh the positives? Now that you have a tax cut and a Republican nominated for the Supreme Court is there anything, anything, that would convince you that maybe the Republican party, especially its base voters, does not deserve your support. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/295 "2018-10-03T21:59:05Z")
First note that in America, ‘liberals’ has become a dirty word meaning someone who wants to ban guns, ban religion, and force parents to raise their children in a gender-neutral way. And ‘conservative’ means someone who hates the idea of regulating pollution, and wants to transfer as much wealth from the poor to the rich as possible. The Mods really should change thread title to replace “conservatives” with “people who called themselves conservative back in the Rational Era.” > [@AnthonyElite](#): > > And that’s why you won’t have any repubs in here talking politics. You assume the irrationally worst thing about the other side like they are demons. It’s pathetic. You think no democrats have ever beaten their wives? > > Keep pretending you are on the side of good and right and the other side is evil or you’ll continue to lose support. Here was your strawman post: > [@AnthonyElite](#): > > … Repubs, the good ones, believe in all individuals pursuing their own interests will be best for society. Dems lean towards all individuals pursuing the interests of society… How about if I wrote: Democrats, the good ones, believe in all individuals pursuing their interests but still cooperating to advance society. Repubs care only about personal greed — that’s why they’re unconcerned about environmental damage that will affect only the next generation, uninterested in foregoing luxuries to help feed people from other ethnic groups etc. Is my strawman more exaggerated than your strawman? Sure! Was yours nevertheless a pretentious strawman with R’s celebrating liberty and progress while D’s pursue some collectivist drudgery? You betcha! ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/296 "2018-10-03T22:07:05Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Do you have a cite from a more neutral source? Because that’s a dreadful poll result. [Yes](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/3/17932324/brett-kavanaugh-news-republicans-poll-sexual-assault). Does this poll meet your neutrality standard? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/297 "2018-10-03T22:15:48Z")
> [@Kearsen](#): > > I think conflating Republicans with Donald Trump et al isn’t the correct way to go about vilifying 50% of Americans. There are quite a lot of Republicans that do not support everything Donald Trump stands for or does. In fact , I’d bet the majority of the Republicans on this board probably think he is an idiot. But, get this, they are still Republicans because they agree with more of that platform than the platform of the Democrats. > > I am one. No, that is not how a political party works. You cannot elect its leaders and after claim those leaders are not representative of the “platform”. If Trump is not representative of your views you can claim YOU once were a republican, not that he is not republican. He is 100% representative of the republican party: He was their candidate, is their leader. The platform you speak of is a fantasy. You just self-identified as independent. The point of this thread (I believe) is to demonstrate there are no good republicans left. Nobody wants to vilify YOU. You do not support the racism, corruption and stupidity that is the Trump administration. A republican (by definition) does. Republican = Trump supporter (by definition) Someone who liked the republican platform before Trump = Independent. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/298 "2018-10-03T22:21:53Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Not true. I believe in the **presumption of innocence. Kavanaugh has yet to be convicted** , so I do not condemn him; Cosby has so I have condemned him. > > Rubbish. If you’re going to try to insult me you really ought to check that it’s correct. Instead you muff it and reveal yourself as a stupid liar. [Here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=834102)is the thread. It was the eggs that were overdone and I paid the insult tip and reported how I regretted having to leave it. > > In short: you are stupid, you are ignorant, you are a fuckwit, and you are a liar, and this is indeed a bite. Let’s get one thing out of the way. This Kavanaugh “thing” was not a trial. it was a review, a JOB INTERVIEW. The trial (for perjury) may come later - maybe. He hasn’t been formally hit with criminal charges (yet). So, let’s drop the bullshit about “presumption of innocence”. It’s a job interview - which he BLEW. How many job interviews are there, where you can chose to not answer questions, lie repeatedly, cry, yell, and make threats? He blew it. I wouldn’t hire him to scrub my toilet. I think he’s a lying, perjuring, raping, piece of shit. If this is how he acts sober, well HOLY SHIT I don’t want to see him drunk. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/299 "2018-10-03T22:26:24Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > _I like beer._ I like beer. It makes me a jolly good fellow - Tom T. Hall ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/300 "2018-10-03T22:29:05Z")
> [@AnthonyElite](#): > > I’m saying Republicans don’t post here because every single thing said will be examined in the worst possible light and since they aren’t the majority here the crowd will be against them and therefore even if they are right they would be deemed wrong. > To phrase this question differently: What benefit would any republican have in posting here? They go off to their own echo chambers as you live in your own echo chamber. > > Though knowing the Straightdope mentality you folks assume only **other** people can make logical fallacies and you’d never be guilty of any yourself. > > The board in total is guilty of what any echo chamber would be - assuming the other side has no rational good points. Assuming that there is no middle ground. So why bother when you have already made up your mind? No well-made point would change you anyway. I’d rather lurk the non-politics threads where I can continue to interact with you treating you as humans and me as human because we are likely all good people. It’s unfortunate that it is that way but also true. Oh poor fucking snowflakes. This is the BBQ PIT. I though you assholes liked “non-PC” tellin’ it like it is straight shooters. I guess that was bullshit too. Go back to Brietbart and Stormfront. Pussy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208.md?page=16)