# Better Conservatives? Where?! (A response to Coffeecat) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2018, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208 "2018-09-30T08:43:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/521 "2018-10-05T23:45:44Z")
> [@measure for measure](#): > > scylla. > > Ignore asahi in the pit. shut up!!! ---
**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/522 "2018-10-06T00:38:58Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Scylla. > > Shut up. Telling an advocate of reason, moderation, and freedom of speech to shut up because he’s not radical enough is _funny._ I haven’t been this amused since I called the Samaritans and they put me on hold. > [@Scylla](#): > > Communists are not as easy to spot as Nazis. It’s hard to tell when somebody has gone too far down the left and into the commie rabbit hole. > > ``` > . . . > > ``` > > The left has gone so far down the rabbit hole with it’s group identity intersectiona;ism, attacks on free speech and attempts to destroy by denouncement that they have the shit out of anybody paying attention. Good post, for a bunnyist counterrevolutionary. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/523 "2018-10-06T01:01:27Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I don’t care about the baker. What I care about are the unintended consequences that could occur from some well-intentioned idiot who thinks the appropriate response to this is to make a new law, and that law causing us lasting and ongoing damage. It’s not a new law. It’s an law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and it’s been in effect in Colorado since 2008. > [@Scylla](#): > > It would be easy to disprove my theory. Just go ahead and write the law that solves this problem without screwing something else. Let’s see it. Of course it completely depends on your definition of “screwing with someone else”. Anti discrimination laws automatically screw with someone else by not allowing them to discriminate on the basis of race. Or sex. Or sexual orientation. It would be impossible to write an anti-discrimination law that doesn’t “screw with someone else”. Of course you are aware this “screw with someone else” argument is simply a rehash of the segregation arguments from the 50’s and 60’s right?. Is it a matter that you think sexual orientation shouldn’t be protected from discrimination like race is? Or is it that you think all anti-discrimination laws that “screw someone else” shouldn’t be allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/524 "2018-10-06T01:05:12Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I don’t care about the baker. What I care about are the unintended consequences that could occur from some well-intentioned idiot who thinks the appropriate response to this is to make a new law, and that law causing us lasting and ongoing damage. It’s not a new law. It’s an law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and it’s been in effect in Colorado since 2008. > [@Scylla](#): > > It would be easy to disprove my theory. Just go ahead and write the law that solves this problem without screwing something else. Let’s see it. Of course it completely depends on your definition of “screwing with someone else”. Anti discrimination laws automatically screw with someone else by not allowing them to discriminate on the basis of race. Or sex. Or sexual orientation. It would be impossible to write an anti-discrimination law that doesn’t “screw with someone else”. Of course you are aware this “screw with someone else” argument is simply a rehash of the segregation arguments from the 50’s and 60’s right?. Is it a matter that you think sexual orientation shouldn’t be protected from discrimination like race is? Or is it that you think all anti-discrimination laws that “screw someone else” shouldn’t be allow And, to be honest, the rest of your post read a ton like the rationalizations of a man searching for a reason to hate liberals, but not wanting to sound like he supports the more vile of Republican policies. Lotta words, not much substance. Kudos for the use of “intersectionality” though. I think that’s worth 20 points in scrabble. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/525 "2018-10-06T01:44:39Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > So, i’m no better than a bigot but you aren’t actually willing to call me one. You know what, you’re worse than a bigot, because you know it’s wrong and just don’t care when people are hurt by it. You talk big about a slippery slope, but it’s been 50 years since we started telling bakers that they were required to serve blacks and whites alike, and where has that slope taken us? However, it’s a big deal now, when bible thumpers might be affected. You want to swaddle up and protect their bigotry, even though you know it’s wrong. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/526 "2018-10-06T01:53:40Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > You know what, you’re worse than a bigot, because you know it’s wrong and just don’t care when people are hurt by it. You talk big about a slippery slope, but it’s been 50 years since we started telling bakers that they were required to serve blacks and whites alike, and where has that slope taken us? > > However, it’s a big deal now, when bible thumpers might be affected. You want to swaddle up and protect their bigotry, even though you know it’s wrong. +10000!!! This man speaks truth!!! p.s. I always knew I love Phila for a reason ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/527 "2018-10-06T01:59:05Z")
Cheese, Ham: I love you guys. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/528 "2018-10-06T02:03:01Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Cheese, Ham: > > I love you guys. My respect for you dropped dramatically when you missed the obvious Ham n’ Cheese combo. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/529 "2018-10-06T02:11:45Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > My respect for you dropped dramatically when you missed the obvious Ham n’ Cheese combo. 🙂 Oh goddammit. I could have had that. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/530 "2018-10-06T19:59:48Z")
> [@AnthonyElite](#): > > And that’s why you won’t have any repubs in here talking politics. You assume the irrationally worst thing about the other side like they are demons. It’s pathetic. You think no democrats have ever beaten their wives? > > Keep pretending you are on the side of good and right and the other side is evil or you’ll continue to lose support. Like demons, huh, you [mean like this?](https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-host-jeanine-pirro-blasts-dianne-feinstein-and-her-unhinged-lunatic-1122875) > [@](#): > > Was it because nothing in your pack of demon rats—that’s right, I said demon rats— [Or this](https://www.amazon.com/Demonic-How-Liberal-Endangering-America/dp/0307353494) > [@](#): > > The demon is a mob, and the mob is demonic. The Democratic Party activates mobs, depends on mobs, coddles mobs, publicizes and celebrates mobs—it is the mob. Sweeping in its scope and relentless in its argument, Demonic explains the peculiarities of liberals as standard groupthink behavior. To understand mobs is to understand liberals. > [@Scylla](#): > > Yes we really are. That is excellent. That is **exactly** what the guy sees. ‘All the women are terrible, all the guys they go out with are terrible. I am lucky that none of them want to go out with me.’ > > It is possible that The guy who can’t get a date is correct. All the women are terrible, all the men who get dates are terrible. He is lucky they won’t date him. > > If our guy is getting rejected all the time, and thinks that all the guys that get dates are awful, and all the women are awful, and he is the only good person, and he is lucky he is not getting dates, well, yes, he might be right. I suppose that is within the realm of possibility. > > Even accounting for that possible, might it still not behoove our guy to look inward? To add to the analogy in order to make it more relevant, the guy gets plenty of dates, 2,864,974 more than the other guy, in fact. If there is anyone that is getting rejected, it would be the person who got fewer votes, not the person who got more. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/531 "2018-10-06T23:34:56Z")
> [@](#): > > The demon is a mob, and the mob is demonic. The Democratic Party activates mobs, depends on mobs, coddles mobs, publicizes and celebrates mobs—it is the mob. Sweeping in its scope and relentless in its argument, Demonic explains the peculiarities of liberals as standard groupthink behavior. To understand mobs is to understand liberals. Yeah? ISTM that it was the republican party’s candidate that was calling for mob action and “mob justice” during his rallies. And his supporters are still chanting those “mob justice” slogans during their rallies now. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/532 "2018-10-06T23:45:41Z")
> [@coffeecat](#): > > Telling an advocate of reason, moderation, and freedom of speech to shut up because he’s not radical enough is _funny._ I haven’t been this amused since I called the Samaritans and they put me on hold. > Good post, for a bunnyist counterrevolutionary. Thus confirming what I suspected all along. You aren’t interested in discussion. You’re interested in laughing at others. You have not actually participated in any of this discussion. You’re just laughing at people, because you want to poke and prod. I suspected you just defended Starving Artist because you wanted to be contrary, and now I know that’s true. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/533 "2018-10-06T23:56:12Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > So now that i’ve Defined my terms, I can answer your question. Knowing how bad Trump/Republicanism is, why would any rational intelligent comparing person prefer it the left/Democrats? > > The rise of constructivism, identity politics, and intersectionality along with grievance politics is fundamentally irrational dangerous and evil, and it is openly communist. > > The Democrats lost a huge lead in one week because a whole bunch of people woke up. Perhaps Kavanaugh is a bad guy and shouldn’t be confirmed. Who cares? Intersectional and identity politics bother an awful lot of people, people who don’t buy it but keep their mouths shut because they don’t want to be denounced and accused of racism, or genderism or whatever the flavor of the week for denouncement happens to be. > > When they say the attack on Brett, and the complete abandonment of any attempt at fairness. No actual corroboration, no evidence, just “beleive women,” “believe survivors.” We are literally presenting belief and conviction as evidence. Guilt by faith. Denouncement. > > A lot of people saw that and said ‘there is nothing to stop anybody from doing the exact same thing to me. To my son’ > > Apparently Democrats had a 15 point lead among all white women surveyed (I heard this on the radio and I have no idea why it was white women) Democrats and Republicans back in Midseptember. Today they apparently only have a 1 point lead > > That’s why. The left has gone so far down the rabbit hole with it’s group identity intersectiona;ism, attacks on free speech and attempts to destroy by denouncement that they have the shit out of anybody paying attention. I look at it, and I see evil. > So, that;s why. And this is irrational nonsense. You’re just using boogeyman tactics and fear. You’ve not put forth anything rational. You haven’t shown why identity politics is bad: that’s just using a right wing boogeyman term. Same with intersectionalism. Both are completely non offensive: identity politics means that people who have certain attribute in common often have similar issues, and thus have more power if they vote -together as a block. For example, black people have common issue with racism, so voting together against racism give them more power. Intersectionalism just takes it one step further and says that the whole is not always the sum of its parts: that a black woman may not only have the issues of a black man and a white woman, but her own specific issues. And thus neither of those groups should think they speak for all There is nothing objectionable about this. It’s just obvious true. But the terms were coined on the left, so the right did their irrational thing and turned them into things to be scared of. They are used when they don’t even apply. (By talking about “white women,” you are talking about both of those concepts, yet here you are saying that they are bad.) Then you have the “it could happen to my son” fearmongering, and presumption of guilt of the accusers. They must just be making things up. Where’s “it could happen to my daughter”? And you don’t know where you got the 15 point lead, and you don’t know where you got the 1 percent lead. You didn’t even bother to go get sources. You ignore the obvious that these could be different tests. You ignore possible poll bias. You ignore the dearth of polling. And you cite current polls on an issue that is very new and thus the polls are less likely to reflect. No citations, and lack of rational reasoning on the subject. You appeal to fear–emotional reasoning, rather than rational. Rationality isn’t about dressing up irrational concepts in rational clothing. It is about evidence-based reasoning. No, not every liberal is rational at all times. But here we have a conservative trying to be rational and completely failing. And he’s supposed to be one of the better ones. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/534 "2018-10-06T23:59:56Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > So, i’m no better than a bigot but you aren’t actually willing to call me one. > > It seems to me like you are trying to have your cake and eat it, too. > I think you need to stop hedging. If you are going to get on this bus you should do so. Otherwise you should move aside for your betters. Well, yes. Again you’re being irrational. If the term doesn’t actually fit, then we don’t call you that term. There’s more proof we don’t just use it as a boogeyman term. You’re worse than a bigot, while not actually being a bigot. That happens. Maybe leave out the snark about adults when you can’t understand something so incredibly basic. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/535 "2018-10-07T00:14:23Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > So now that i’ve Defined my terms, I can answer your question. Knowing how bad Trump/Republicanism is, why would any rational intelligent comparing person prefer it the left/Democrats? > > The rise of constructivism, identity politics, and intersectionality along with grievance politics is fundamentally irrational dangerous and evil, and it is openly communist. > > The Democrats lost a huge lead in one week because a whole bunch of people woke up. Perhaps Kavanaugh is a bad guy and shouldn’t be confirmed. Who cares? Intersectional and identity politics bother an awful lot of people, people who don’t buy it but keep their mouths shut because they don’t want to be denounced and accused of racism, or genderism or whatever the flavor of the week for denouncement happens to be. > > When they say the attack on Brett, and the complete abandonment of any attempt at fairness. No actual corroboration, no evidence, just “beleive women,” “believe survivors.” We are literally presenting belief and conviction as evidence. Guilt by faith. Denouncement. > > A lot of people saw that and said ‘there is nothing to stop anybody from doing the exact same thing to me. To my son’ > > Apparently Democrats had a 15 point lead among all white women surveyed (I heard this on the radio and I have no idea why it was white women) Democrats and Republicans back in Midseptember. Today they apparently only have a 1 point lead > > That’s why. The left has gone so far down the rabbit hole with it’s group identity intersectiona;ism, attacks on free speech and attempts to destroy by denouncement that they have the shit out of anybody paying attention. I look at it, and I see evil. > So, that;s why. This fantasy version of liberalism that resides on Hannity and Limbaugh’s radio show certainly sounds evil, but it has nothing to do with the believes of the vast majority of real world American liberals. Luckily, there are tons of liberals here on this board who would be happy to answer any questions you have about our beliefs. I’ll start by just saying that the above post has almost nothing to do with my political beliefs, and in fact matches much more closely my understanding of Trump’s usage of identity politics than the liberal movement. But I’m not a Trumpist, so it’s possible I don’t fully understand the political beliefs of him and his supporters. Kind of like how you’re not a liberal, and thus it’s not surprising that you’re so massively, wildly incorrect about liberal beliefs in this post. I’ll just say that Mitch McConnell, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh are very happy that you’ve bought their fantasy version of the left so strongly. The GOP thanks you for believing in their propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/536 "2018-10-07T00:23:00Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Luckily, there are tons of liberals here on this board who would be happy to answer any questions you have about our beliefs. I’ll start by just saying that the above post has almost nothing to do with my political beliefs, and in fact matches much more closely my understanding of Trump’s usage of identity politics than the liberal movement. 1. What should happen if a guy illegally trying to enter the US gets caught? 2. What should happen if a guy who’s already illegally here gets caught? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/537 "2018-10-07T00:28:19Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > 1. What should happen if a guy illegally trying to enter the US gets caught? > 2. What should happen if a guy who’s already illegally here gets caught? Depends on the circumstances. The law doesn’t treat every single circumstance in exactly the same way, and rightly so. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/538 "2018-10-07T00:40:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Depends on the circumstances. The law doesn’t treat every single circumstance in exactly the same way, and rightly so. Yes, well, that’s, uh, admirable, but could you maybe elaborate? Like, if someone asks me what should happen to a guy who gets caught robbing a bank, I can say _“gosh, it depends on the circumstances; the law doesn’t treat every single circumstance in the same way”_ — but then I’d, y’know, specify. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/539 "2018-10-07T00:51:34Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Yes, well, that’s, uh, admirable, but could you maybe elaborate? > > Like, if someone asks me what should happen to a guy who gets caught robbing a bank, I can say _“gosh, it depends on the circumstances; the law doesn’t treat every single circumstance in the same way”_ — but then I’d, y’know, specify. There are probably a million different circumstances, and IANAL. But throw out a specific scenario and I’ll do my best. In my understanding, if the Border Patrol sees someone trying to cross illegally, they should detain them. I know better what we should not be doing – if the law allows this kind of thing, then the laws should be changed such that it is disallowed: We should not be separating children from their parents due to nonviolent immigration violations. If the parents are to be deported, it’s monstrous to deport them separately from their children, barring a few very unusual circumstances, since that leads to a high likelihood of a family broken up forever. We should not be processing children (anyone, really, but children especially) through the immigration court system without full legal representation. We should permanently welcome all Dreamers who have not committed any crimes (aside from crossing a border as children). We should not force local police to prioritize CIS work above good relations with immigrant communities – otherwise, immigrants may not cooperate with police or even report crimes like rape and child molestation. We should do our best to maintain the American tradition of assimilation and the melting pot, lest we become ghetto-ized with distrustful and separated immigrant communities like exists in parts of Europe. Dearborn, MI is a shining example of the positive contribution of immigration (aside from the most obvious examples like NYC and LA), and an example of how to make a wonderful melting-pot city out of immigrants from very, very different cultures than the US. In the long run there is no downside to being a welcoming place for immigrants, in general. That doesn’t mean open borders. But it does mean always rejecting anti-immigrant sentiment, and never blaming immigrants for the problems a country is facing. Blaming immigrants is a tried and true political strategy that often works to get people elected, but it’s nigh-always factually wrong (and nigh-always leads to significant suffering for innocent people). ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208/540 "2018-10-07T01:09:00Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > 1. What should happen if a guy illegally trying to enter the US gets caught? > 2. What should happen if a guy who’s already illegally here gets caught? Why don’t you answer your questions first? What should happen? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/better-conservatives-where-a-response-to-coffeecat/822208.md?page=28)