# Beverly Crusher and her sanctimony are single-handedly ruining TNG for me **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 30, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439 "2014-07-30T19:38:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/1 "2014-07-30T19:38:59Z")
Seriously its gotten to the point where every time she opens her mouth I want to bitch slap her. She has way too much power and say over the ship. We are not even going to talk about her brining that prig Westley on board since he’s gone now, but I just. Cannot. Stand. Her! She is incredibly bleeding heart and this is coming from a bleeding heart lib! Here, examples: Symbiosis - insists the enterprise get involved despite being called on the carpet for losing her professional detachment The High Ground - refuses Picard’s direct orders to return to the ship and gets kidnapped! As a direct result! And we are supposed to care! Suddenly Human - insists the boy’s injuries MUST be evidence of past abuse, judging him only by human standards and not by the standards he was raised in. Nearly gets Picard killed. Ethics - pouts and stomps that Worf won’t listen to her and regain 60% of his mobility. Riker’s role was so much better done. Has the temerity to lecture the other doctor, who was in the wrong, but in the end, it is worf’s choice! I, Borg - last straw. Insists they “rescue” and bring aboard a member of the Collective! TNG is overly sanctimonious as it is but I can ignore most of it. I can no longer ignore Crusher. So Season 5, Episode 23, is where I call it quits. NO MORE BEVERLY!!!/ ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/2 "2014-07-30T19:44:08Z")
I always thought Dr. Pulaski was a much more interesting character, and I was disappointed when they dropped her down the turbolift shaft. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/3 "2014-07-30T19:53:17Z")
I fully endorse this pitting. And for desert, I’d like to add: **Up the Long Ladder:** that episode wherein the crew gets all pissy because a dying colony of humans had the gal to ask (then steal) for some of the crews DNA so they can keep their colony viable. But no, the crew couldn’t have any of that, instead they forced them to shack up with a bunch of Irish Space hillbillies. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/4 "2014-07-30T19:56:49Z")
I hear she hasn’t been signed for next year, so there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/5 "2014-07-30T19:56:53Z")
What was the one where she goes to her Gran’s hoose on Planet Scotland Stereotype and falls in love with some raffish ghost and it turns out he was an alien living in a candle that used to seduce her grandmother because molecular cohesion? God I hated that one. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/6 "2014-07-30T20:00:05Z")
Beverly was the poster child for STNGs bleeding heart problems. All the crew were guilty of being Morally Superior to Star Fleet. But she seemed to be the spokesperson for that way of thinking. I always wanted to hear her say, “Have they met their co-pay? No? Fuck 'em.” ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/7 "2014-07-30T20:00:24Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > What was the one where she goes to her Gran’s hoose on Planet Scotland Stereotype and falls in love with some raffish ghost and it turns out he was an alien living in a candle that used to seduce her grandmother because molecular cohesion? God I hated that one. Oh Christ! The last time I did a ST marathon, I made it a point to skip that episode! ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/8 "2014-07-30T20:03:49Z")
And I haven’t forgiven her for breaking off the love affair when her lover got the new host body. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/9 "2014-07-30T20:49:56Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > What was the one where she goes to her Gran’s hoose on Planet Scotland Stereotype and falls in love with some raffish ghost and it turns out he was an alien living in a candle that used to seduce her grandmother because molecular cohesion? God I hated that one. _Sub Rosa_, not the only episode where a member of the crew has sex with an energy being. How about _Suspicions_, where Dr. Crusher decides to play detective in a murder case, against the captain’s orders, even though she is not a trained investigator? And causes an interstellar incident by dissecting a dead Ferengi against the family’s wishes. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/10 "2014-07-30T20:59:56Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > What was the one where she goes to her Gran’s hoose on Planet Scotland Stereotype and falls in love with some raffish ghost and it turns out he was an alien living in a candle that used to seduce her grandmother because molecular cohesion? God I hated that one. I hated that episode for all the reasons everyone else does, plus something more. The funeral for the granny had the traditional statement, from the Anglican prayer book, but they chopped off the last part to “de-religion” it. Ashed to ashed, dust to dust, in the sure and certain hope _she will live forever in our hearts._ That italicized bit should be _of the resurrection unto eternal life_. ---
**Author:** ![Barking\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Barking\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barking_Dog)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/11 "2014-07-30T22:46:04Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > I fully endorse this pitting. > And for desert, I’d like to add: **Up the Long Ladder:** that episode wherein the crew gets all pissy because a dying colony of humans had the gal to ask (then steal) for some of the crews DNA so they can keep their colony viable. > > But no, the crew couldn’t have any of that, instead they forced them to shack up with a bunch of Irish Space hillbillies. That was so amazingly racist I wonder if Roddenberry was ever wronged in some way by an irishman. Seriously, they managed to cram in just about every stereotype there is about the irish, short of sheep buggering. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/12 "2014-07-30T23:15:26Z")
Crusher wasn’t actually in “Up the Long Ladder” -that was Pulaski. I also hated “Ethics” but if I had to choose between Crusher and Pulaski, well… I’d pick Selar. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/13 "2014-07-30T23:31:16Z")
1. She’s hot. 2. Pulaski deserved to die!die!die! even more than Wesley did. 3. Jean-Luc was slipping it to her regularly. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/14 "2014-07-30T23:38:07Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > if I had to choose between Crusher and Pulaski, well… I’d pick Selar. QFT. Suzie Plakson had it going _on_. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/15 "2014-07-30T23:40:08Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > I always thought Dr. Pulaski was a much more interesting character, and I was disappointed when they dropped her down the turbolift shaft. I hated Dr. Pulaski mainly because of her bizarre anti-Data bigotry. Yeah, yeah, I get that they were trying to get the Bones/Spock dynamic\* but Spock understood what Bones was doing Spock could fight back where Data couldn’t, Spock wasn’t in actual danger of losing his rights and being dissected and Data was, and Bones never seriously tried to cut Spock up to see what he’s like inside and Pulaski did. Overall she’s a better character (although Crusher is way hotter 😉 ) but the weird…let’s call it racism for lack of a better word was creepy. That said, if she was ever called out on it, that would have been a whole 'nother issue. But it seemed like everyone more-or-less approved of it. \*Which…doesn’t really hold up that well. Read “big-lipped savage” or “yellow-skinned monkey” for “green-blooded icicle” and it _really_ has a bad vibe although it wasn’t meant that way. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/16 "2014-07-31T01:05:57Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > 1. She’s hot. > 2. Pulaski deserved to die!die!die! even more than Wesley did. > 3. Jean-Luc was slipping it to her regularly. She is so not hot. And it was pretty clear Jean Luc was not. I never understood what he saw in her anyway. The thief he met on one of his vacations was better, for heaven’s sake. I liked Pulaski better, too, and I think an excellent plot would have been to make her learn that Data was a person, and to apologize, and to grow. I mean what a fucking concept! A ST character has a major flaw! Character growth! They don’t just start out perfect! Nope, she has ruined it for me. I roll my eyes every time we even have to see her on screen. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/17 "2014-07-31T01:33:52Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > She is so not hot. And it was pretty clear Jean Luc was not. I never understood what he saw in her anyway. The thief he met on one of his vacations was better, for heaven’s sake. > > I liked Pulaski better, too, and I think an excellent plot would have been to make her learn that Data was a person, and to apologize, and to grow. I mean what a fucking concept! A ST character has a major flaw! Character growth! They don’t just start out perfect! She does kinda sorta vaguely learn…there’s a “THE TRIAL OF DATA” type ep where I believe she testified for him. But…too little too late. Also, she had stupid hair. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/18 "2014-07-31T01:46:34Z")
Janeway is worse ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/19 "2014-07-31T01:59:49Z")
“If there’s nothing wrong with me, maybe there’s something wrong with the universe!” Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/20 "2014-07-31T02:03:03Z")
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