# Beverly Crusher and her sanctimony are single-handedly ruining TNG for me **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 30, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439 "2014-07-30T19:38:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/61 "2014-08-04T03:08:26Z")
> [@Hermione](#): > > Well, in all fairness…could Beverly help it if she just didn’t swing that way? It didn’t mean she was homophobic…it meant she was straight and just not into women. I would definitely feel creeped out if a lover of mine had somehow been transferred to a new body. On the other hand, I might be able to get used to it if the host were someone I found attractive AND was willing to join in wholeheartedly on her own. And no, as someone who’s straight, I wouldn’t want a same-sex partner either. Whether this offends the sensibilities of some people bothers me not one whit. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/62 "2014-08-04T03:20:13Z")
> [@LibrarySpy](#): > > I loved Pulaski. > > But Beverly Crusher, as it has been pointed out, is hot. I agree, though I can’t say it out loud. Y’see, I married a woman who looked quite a lot like Diana Muldaur… ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2014, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/63 "2014-08-04T04:24:10Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Seriously its gotten to the point where every time she opens her mouth I want to bitch slap her. She has way too much power and say over the ship. We are not even going to talk about her brining that prig Westley on board since he’s gone now, but I just. Cannot. Stand. Her! > > She is incredibly bleeding heart and this is coming from a bleeding heart lib! Here, examples: > > Symbiosis - insists the enterprise get involved despite being called on the carpet for losing her professional detachment > > The High Ground - refuses Picard’s direct orders to return to the ship and gets kidnapped! As a direct result! And we are supposed to care! > > Suddenly Human - insists the boy’s injuries MUST be evidence of past abuse, judging him only by human standards and not by the standards he was raised in. Nearly gets Picard killed. > > Ethics - pouts and stomps that Worf won’t listen to her and regain 60% of his mobility. Riker’s role was so much better done. Has the temerity to lecture the other doctor, who was in the wrong, but in the end, it is worf’s choice! > > I, Borg - last straw. Insists they “rescue” and bring aboard a member of the Collective! > > TNG is overly sanctimonious as it is but I can ignore most of it. I can no longer ignore Crusher. So Season 5, Episode 23, is where I call it quits. NO MORE BEVERLY!!!/ You trying raising Wesley! I always thought they missed a great op by not having Pulaski turn out to be blind and fall down a turbolift shaft. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/64 "2014-08-05T16:22:28Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > In many ways, TOS was a far more adult show than TNG. In the first couple of seasons, maybe. But the real adult show of the franchise was DS9, which uniquely was consistent in showing consequences, both romantic and otherwise. Members of the main cast got married, had kids, etc. And yes, I realize that O’Brien got married on TNG. He wasn’t a member of the main cast there, though. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/65 "2014-08-05T16:34:58Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > In the first couple of seasons, maybe. But the real adult show of the franchise was DS9, which uniquely was consistent in showing consequences, both romantic and otherwise. Members of the main cast got married, had kids, etc. > > And yes, I realize that O’Brien got married on TNG. He wasn’t a member of the main cast there, though. I know, I am probably going to switch over. I just need time. Miles…for some reason I have never liked the actor. Something about him just hits me the wrong way. I did like the episode where worf delivers their baby. But I really like worf. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/66 "2014-08-05T16:40:44Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I know, I am probably going to switch over. I just need time. > > Miles…for some reason I have never liked the actor. Something about him just hits me the wrong way. > > I did like the episode where worf delivers their baby. But I really like worf. Are you virgin to DS9? If so, you’ll want to be patient with it; it takes a while to find its footing. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/67 "2014-08-05T16:43:29Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Are you virgin to DS9? If so, you’ll want to be patient with it; it takes a while to find its footing. Not exactly virgin. I watched all the star treks that were out at the time in college wit my then boyfriend. I was a lot more idealistic and romantic then though. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/68 "2014-08-05T16:49:07Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Not exactly virgin. I watched all the star treks that were out at the time in college wit my then boyfriend. I was a lot more idealistic and romantic then though. DS9 is the least idealistic Trek series, in that the Federation was not presented as being a flawless utopia (something your hated Beverly Crusher once claimed it to be). Sisko once – well, I’ll just post a YouTube link of him going on a rant. Skip to 1:50. (And if anybody can teach me who to do that in the link, why I’d be so grateful I would decline to steal his or her wallet when next the opportunity presented itsef.) [The problem is Earth!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpUHa9_pJ0) ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/69 "2014-08-05T17:11:28Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > …well, I’ll just post a YouTube link of him going on a rant. Skip to 1:50. (And if anybody can teach me who to do that in the link, why I’d be so grateful I would decline to steal his or her wallet when next the opportunity presented itsef.) > > [The problem is Earth!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpUHa9_pJ0) Your link: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpUHa9\_pJ0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpUHa9_pJ0) Link to a specific time: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpUHa9\_pJ0&t=1m50s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpUHa9_pJ0&t=1m50s) ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/70 "2014-08-05T17:25:15Z")
I just think it’s weird that in the future, ships are equipped with both a therapist and enough photon torpedoes to level a planet. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/71 "2014-08-05T17:28:56Z")
[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdiTg-Yg-FU) is a clip in case anyone wants to see Dr Crusher as a Muppet choreographer. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/72 "2014-08-05T17:30:35Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I just think it’s weird that in the future, ships are equipped with both a therapist and enough photon torpedoes to level a planet. The US military has therapists stationed on ships that carry nuclear weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/73 "2014-08-05T17:31:41Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I just think it’s weird that in the future, ships are equipped with both a therapist and enough photon torpedoes to level a planet. It would make more sense if the Enterprise-D had regularly been at a (subjectively) long distance from port, but it wasn’t. As often as not they seemed to be less than a week away from the nearest starbase, even travelling at Warp 2. I’d have liked Troi better if she hadn’t been a bridge officer, but rather a medic who got away team duty regularly because there was a specific rule that the chief medical officer (and also the chief engineer and, of course, captain) was not allowed to go on landing parties to any remotely-unsecure location. I still kinda like Crusher, of course. Her gams, anyway. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Your link: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpUHa9\_pJ0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpUHa9_pJ0) > Link to a specific time: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpUHa9\_pJ0&t=1m50s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpUHa9_pJ0&t=1m50s) Obrigado. Not only shall I forgo the next opportunity to rob you but I have directed Accounting to return fully a quarter of the money embezzled from your retirement account. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/74 "2014-08-05T17:50:37Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I just think it’s weird that in the future, ships are equipped with both a therapist and enough photon torpedoes to level a planet. It’s not easy being a cop! ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/75 "2014-08-05T17:55:45Z")
We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill! ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/76 "2014-08-05T18:00:43Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill! Speaking of which… TOS is in reruns on either MeTV or Antenna TV, and I recently saw the episode with the two planets in the midst of the 500-year-computer war. I hadn’t seen that in something like a quarter of a century, and something occurred to me then. Kirk is able to tell Scott to DESTROY THE SURFACE OF A PLANET simply by saying “Execute General Order Whatever in two hours.” So Starfleet has a STANDING ORDER to cover such situations. Doesn’t this imply that they’ve done that before? :eek: (In an unrelated matter, I HATE this iteration of the eek smiley.) ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/77 "2014-08-05T18:12:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The US military has therapists stationed on ships that carry nuclear weapons. Really? Do you have a cite? I’d think that especially on a ballistic missile sub, which are the big boys for nuclear destruction, a full time therapist wouldn’t be something the Navy would be willing to use up an officer’s bunk on. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/78 "2014-08-05T18:14:39Z")
I’d piss on a spark plug if I thought it would help. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/79 "2014-08-05T18:20:27Z")
No therapists or psychologists assigned to duty on missile subs, from what I’ve read, but probably on aircraft carriers, which (and I know the Navy will neither confirm or deny) very likely carry nuclear weapons. You’ll find General Order 24 (and others) here, **Skald** : [General Orders and Regulations | Memory Alpha | Fandom](http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_General_Orders_and_Regulations) ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439/80 "2014-08-05T18:22:31Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Kirk is able to tell Scott to DESTROY THE SURFACE OF A PLANET simply by saying “Execute General Order Whatever in two hours.” So Starfleet has a STANDING ORDER to cover such situations. Doesn’t this imply that they’ve done that before? [General Order 24](http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_General_Orders_and_Regulations), yes. I don’t think having a general order implies that they’ve _done_ it before, only that at some point someone foresaw a situation where such an extreme act was the best or only solution to a problem, and came up with a quick way to give the order without confusion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beverly-crusher-and-her-sanctimony-are-single-handedly-ruining-tng-for-me/694439.md?page=5)