# Beyonce **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 4, 2013, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298 "2013-02-04T12:59:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/21 "2013-02-04T17:53:47Z")
My two cents: Beautiful? Hell Yes! Singer? Hell Yes! Dancer? Hell Yes! But it’s difficult for singers to perform live as well as they do in studio. It’s worse if they are dancing. I defy any of you who can sing to do aerobics while you singing and make it sound the same. Alicia Keyes and Jennifer Hudson sounded great, but neither one of them was moving around on stage. ---
**Author:** ![Lukeinva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lukeinva/32/17872_2.png) [@Lukeinva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lukeinva)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/22 "2013-02-04T18:17:31Z")
She’s gorgeous no question but the Bootyliciousness of it all is dull and boring. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/23 "2013-02-04T18:26:00Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > I never used to like Beyonce, because I felt that she lacked that natural, raw talent that I usually like a superstar to have. Sure, she could sing, but her voice wasn’t one of those voices that were special…she just trained it to be as good as it could be, because she was hungry as hell. > > I actually had an irrational hate for that. I wanted huge superstars to have \*special \*talent…like Michael Jackson or Jimmie Hendrix or something. > > But Beyonce has finally set me straight. Sometimes mad ambition and blood, sweat and tears is enough to transform someone who doesn’t have special talent into someone who does. Because, I swear, I was impressed as hell at that superbowl performance. > > I guess she gets that icon status that I had been trying to hold away from her. +1 Also…her thighs are mesmerizing. How…how…how are they that size and don’t jiggle? Not even a little teeny bit?! Those things are a work of art, sculpted in muscle instead of marble. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/24 "2013-02-04T18:43:01Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Doper doesn’t like popular musician. Stop the presses. Yeah, aren’t these threads weird? I don’t like most popular musicians, but I wouldn’t think to start a thread about each one. This is not a shot at the OP, sorry if looks like one. I just find it a bit odd. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/25 "2013-02-04T19:04:05Z")
I’m not a huge fan of hers, but the songs “Crazy in Love” and “Sweet Dreams” are very good. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/26 "2013-02-04T19:07:01Z")
The performance as a musical performance was a disaster … I couldn’t hear half the music anyway. Something was definitely weird about the sound mix, but that might just have been unavoidable given a stadium performance (stadium performances suck – Springsteen and the Black-Eyed Peas similarly sucked during their Superbowl performances). But as a dance performance, it was riveting. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/27 "2013-02-04T19:12:14Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > The performance as a musical performance was a disaster … I couldn’t hear half the music anyway. Something was definitely weird about the sound mix, but that might just have been unavoidable given a stadium performance (stadium performances suck – Springsteen and the Black-Eyed Peas similarly sucked during their Superbowl performances). But as a dance performance, it was riveting. Probably because she was singing live-- something she insisted she’d do after the inauguration debacle. Both MJ and Whitney lip synced their various Super Bowl spectacles, so I suspect this sounded strange because she was actually singing and it wasn’t what we were used to. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/28 "2013-02-04T19:20:13Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Maybe that performance appeals to a certain, limited crowd. She’s pretty, seems likeable enough from all I’d seen previously and her talent is genuine. Sure, she’ll be enormously appealing to a small, select niche. > > But I didn’t recognize a single song, there was a lot of dance move choreography but nothing that made me think “Woah” and little singing, it just was boring as hell. So I did something else, as apparently did a slew of others. lol ---
**Author:** ![MilTan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@MilTan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MilTan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/29 "2013-02-04T19:20:33Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Maybe that performance appeals to a certain, limited crowd. She’s pretty, seems likeable enough from all I’d seen previously and her talent is genuine. Sure, she’ll be enormously appealing to a small, select niche. I think you’re using definitions of “certain, limited crowd” and “small, select niche” that I’m not familiar with. Beyonce is one of the most popular R&B artists in history; she’s sold about 75 million albums as a solo artist and another 50+ million with Destiny’s Child. ---
**Author:** ![joemama24\_98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@joemama24\_98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joemama24_98)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/30 "2013-02-04T19:23:03Z")
I thought she was great… …as Foxy Cleopatra in Goldmember. Show was meh. I would have actually welcomed Slash popping out of nowhere this time ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/31 "2013-02-04T19:29:58Z")
> [@MilTan](#): > > I think you’re using definitions of “certain, limited crowd” and “small, select niche” that I’m not familiar with. Beyonce is one of the most popular R&B artists in history; she’s sold about 75 million albums as a solo artist and another 50+ million with Destiny’s Child. Yeah, but not counting that she a fringe artist at best. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/32 "2013-02-04T19:36:36Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Yeah, but this is where I get weird. > > If we are judging her as just a pop tart, then yes…she is as talented or more than most. > > But if I am judging her as a superstar icon, then we are at Michael Jackson levels of talent that I expect. > > Nevertheless, I admit that her insane work ethic has one me over. If you’re expecting Michael Jackson levels of talent, then I think you’re going to be disappointed, pretty much by every pop star except for one. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/33 "2013-02-04T19:44:01Z")
I would never judge a performer by her Superbowl Halftime show. Those are always rather bleh. Remember The Who? That was embarrassing! Anyway, she’s got lots of talent as a singer (I’m not much into all that dance stuff), and she’s absolutely beautiful on top of that. What’s not to like? ---
**Author:** ![11811](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/9d8465/32.png) [@11811](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/11811)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/34 "2013-02-04T20:43:16Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Yeah, aren’t these threads weird? I don’t like most popular musicians, but I wouldn’t think to start a thread about each one. > > This is not a shot at the OP, sorry if looks like one. I just find it a bit odd. Oh, none taken. I’m surprised that anyone had a similar opinion to mine. It’s probably all us oldheads. I really don’t know any of her songs, but I’ve seen enough online. [ul] [li]There were some observations that she stole (sorry, appropriated) images from modern dance classics, classics which I had never seen before. Yeah, the images looked similar.[/li][li]I’ve read stuff questioning whether she is the “real” author/composer of her songs, but there’s no way of settling this question.[/li][li]There’s the “she was never really pregnant” rumors. I guess she made a remarkable recovery, but I wasn’t paying a whole lot of attention to her baby bump. I don’t have an opinion on that, and again there’s no way to prove or disprove them. [/li][li]The attendant fuss over the baby.[/li][/ul] Apparently she’s about to go on a huge, important, money-making tour, so I won’t escape her gravitational pull for about another year. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/35 "2013-02-04T20:52:19Z")
Dresses and pretends to be sexy, isn’t really. Good but not great voice. Dance moves are just OK. Meh. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/36 "2013-02-04T20:59:19Z")
[quote=“11811, post:34, topic:649298”] [li]There’s the “she was never really pregnant” rumors. I guess she made a remarkable recovery, but I wasn’t paying a whole lot of attention to her baby bump. I don’t have an opinion on that, and again there’s no way to prove or disprove them. [/li][/QUOTE] One thing I noticed during her performance last night is that her [lower stomach is a bit more pudgey than it was before](http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/beyonce-super-bowl-halftime-show.jpg), a pretty solid telltale sign of pregnancy. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have that kind of “pudgey stomach” but I’m just sayin’. Also, she has light stretch marks on her lower belly in this [unretouched Terry Richardson photoshoot she just did for GQ](http://cdnl.complex.com/mp/620/400/80/0/bb/1/ffffff/2cccf08a4d077a55a6e092ce39d1491e/images_/assets/CHANNEL_IMAGES/MUSIC/2013/01/beyoncegqcover.jpg). Terry notoriously just uses lighting and not actual Photoshop on pictures. Again, she looks amazing, but her body isn’t exactly what it was. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Dresses and pretends to be sexy, isn’t really. Good but not great voice. Dance moves are just OK. Meh. 3/10 would not bang ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/37 "2013-02-04T21:01:26Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Also…her thighs are mesmerizing. How…how…how are they that size and don’t jiggle? Not even a little teeny bit?! Those things are a work of art, sculpted in muscle instead of marble. The tights she was wearing were obviously designed by NASA. Those that say they didn’t recognize a single song, I’m surprised. Crazy in Love, Halo, and Single Ladies are three of the biggest songs, R&B or otherwise, of the last decade. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/38 "2013-02-04T21:09:07Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If you’re expecting Michael Jackson levels of talent, then I think you’re going to be disappointed, pretty much by every pop star except for one. That’s right. I am disappointed when I see pop stars going for pop icon status and failing miserably in the shadow of MJ’s magic. Once in a while, some crazy kid actually is driven enough to push through, even though they don’t have that same level of insane natural talent that MJ had…they push through with sheer determination and mad ambition. Madonna springs to mind. Great. Madonna doesn’t disappoint me. And after last night, neither does Beyonce. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/39 "2013-02-04T21:22:10Z")
> [@SirGalahad](#): > > The halftime show was like a cheeseball Vegas production … First Super Bowl halftime show? All I know is that every girl that was in the sports bar where we were watching the game had a massive lady-boner for Beyonce when she came on. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/40 "2013-02-04T23:47:18Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > That’s right. I am disappointed when I see pop stars going for pop icon status and failing miserably in the shadow of MJ’s magic. > > Once in a while, some crazy kid actually is driven enough to push through, even though they don’t have that same level of insane natural talent that MJ had…they push through with sheer determination and mad ambition. Madonna springs to mind. > > Great. Madonna doesn’t disappoint me. > > And after last night, neither does Beyonce. I like Madonna ok, but I don’t think she’s ever been much of a singer. A great dancer, certainly, and every creative, but not much of a voice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298.md?page=3)