# Beyonce **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 4, 2013, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298 "2013-02-04T12:59:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/41 "2013-02-05T00:04:15Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Also…her thighs are mesmerizing. How…how…how are they that size and don’t jiggle? Not even a little teeny bit?! Those things are a work of art, sculpted in muscle instead of marble. She was wearing at least 2 pairs of tights. She had on fine flesh-colored fishnets over some sort of compression tight, and who knows what else. Given that her thighs are pretty much perfect even without all that, I’m not surprised that you were mesmerized. I certainly was. > [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > One thing I noticed during her performance last night is that her [lower stomach is a bit more pudgey than it was before](http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/beyonce-super-bowl-halftime-show.jpg), a pretty solid telltale sign of pregnancy. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have that kind of “pudgey stomach” but I’m just sayin’. > > Also, she has light stretch marks on her lower belly in this [unretouched Terry Richardson photoshoot she just did for GQ](http://cdnl.complex.com/mp/620/400/80/0/bb/1/ffffff/2cccf08a4d077a55a6e092ce39d1491e/images_/assets/CHANNEL_IMAGES/MUSIC/2013/01/beyoncegqcover.jpg). Terry notoriously just uses lighting and not actual Photoshop on pictures. Again, she looks amazing, but her body isn’t exactly what it was. How charming. A woman scouring another woman’s body looking for something to criticize. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/42 "2013-02-05T00:08:07Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I like Madonna ok, but I don’t think she’s ever been much of a singer. A great dancer, certainly, and every creative, but not much of a voice. That’s exactly what **Nzinga** ’s saying, I think. There are some performers who are famous because they’re gifted from the gods with amazing talent, and couldn’t help but be great. Neither Madonna nor Beyonce have such god given talents. They are performers who are of average or above average natural talent, but have amazing drive, determination and endurance (and a good bit of luck) and turn THAT into the reason for their success. Personally, I find it more admirable, in a role-models-I-want-for-my-kids way, to appreciate the blood sweat and tears stars. My kids are no Michael Jacksons, either. If they’re going to succeed in life, it’s going to take some hard work (as it does for most of us.) ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/43 "2013-02-05T00:14:06Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > How charming. A woman scouring another woman’s body looking for something to criticize. Not every frank appraisal of a person is an excuse to hate on them, and everyone has flaws. Diosa was very clearly not nitpicking her appearance but responding to a specific and persistent rumor and drawing attention to clues that indicate it’s untrue. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/44 "2013-02-05T00:14:13Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > That’s exactly what **Nzinga** ’s saying, I think. There are some performers who are famous because they’re gifted from the gods with amazing talent, and couldn’t help but be great. Neither Madonna nor Beyonce have such god given talents. They are performers who are of average or above average natural talent, but have amazing drive, determination and endurance (and a good bit of luck) and turn THAT into the reason for their success. > > Personally, I find it more admirable, in a role-models-I-want-for-my-kids way, to appreciate the blood sweat and tears stars. My kids are no Michael Jacksons, either. If they’re going to succeed in life, it’s going to take some hard work (as it does for most of us.) I see what you mean, I think I just disagree about the talent level. I think Beyonce has a great voice- maybe not all-time great, but well above-average even for professional singers, IMO. I think she’s a good (but perhaps not great) dancer, but in overall performance charisma I think she is an all-time great talent-wise. And she works her butt off. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/45 "2013-02-05T00:23:48Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > The tights she was wearing were obviously designed by NASA. > > Those that say they didn’t recognize a single song, I’m surprised. Crazy in Love, Halo, and Single Ladies are three of the biggest songs, R&B or otherwise, of the last decade. Not to mention “Bootylicious” and “Independent Women” from Destiny’s Child. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/46 "2013-02-05T00:30:37Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > The performance as a musical performance was a disaster … I couldn’t hear half the music anyway. Something was definitely weird about the sound mix, but that might just have been unavoidable given a stadium performance (stadium performances suck – Springsteen and the Black-Eyed Peas similarly sucked during their Superbowl performances). But as a dance performance, it was riveting. Apart from the thighs, why? I saw a lot of strutting and striking poses. There was nothing else… ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/47 "2013-02-05T00:38:07Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > How charming. A woman scouring another woman’s body looking for something to criticize. The fuck? Someone made the claim that this woman faked her pregnancy. I’m simply saying that her fucking \*phenomenal \*body is definitely a little different than it was a few years ago, pre-pregnancy-- and the changes are the kind that go hand and hand with pregnancy. For pete’s fucking sake. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_E.Nixon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8491ac/32.png) [@Richard\_E.Nixon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_E.Nixon)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/48 "2013-02-05T00:57:37Z")
> [@11811](#): > > Maybe this ends up in the pit, maybe I go to hell. I don’t actively dislike Beyonce, but I don’t “get” her. And the adoration kind of exhausts me. Hopefully, now that the inauguration and the Super Bowl are over, the buzz will retreat to baseline levels, which are already very high. She’s a typical pop star of today. She looks good but has limited talent. Her “music” is manufactured and it’s… well, let’s just say that it’s not my cup of tea. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/49 "2013-02-05T01:17:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I see what you mean, I think I just disagree about the talent level. I think Beyonce has a great voice- maybe not all-time great, but well above-average even for professional singers, IMO. I think she’s a good (but perhaps not great) dancer, but in overall performance charisma I think she is an all-time great talent-wise. And she works her butt off. I’d put her at about the same talent level as the average regional musical theater actor. Which is not to say bad, at all. But I hear and see that level of song and dance every time I go see a show at [Marriott Theater in Lincolnshire](http://www.marriotttheatre.com/), a midsized theater catering to the suburban blue haired crowd. Good, entertaining people with talent, but not, by and large, prodigy level talent. (Jennifer Hudson was in one of their shows many years ago, actually. They like to work that into news articles.) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/50 "2013-02-05T09:26:49Z")
Beyonce isn’t even the hottest (or most talented) member of Destiny’s Child. Kelly Rowland, man… ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/51 "2013-02-05T15:59:07Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Apart from the thighs, why? I saw a lot of strutting and striking poses. There was nothing else… It depends on what you consider good dancing. She did a dance up there called the ‘dutty wine’. It isn’t exactly the best dutty wine I have ever seen, but for an R&B dancer, doing a reggae dancehall move, she did a great job. And that dance is \*extremely \*hard to execute. [Moving those knees whilst swinging that head can knock a gal off balance!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUjs2DPucdo) ETA: The dutty wine is the first part of the video. The getting on your head stuff is for the advanced version, ha. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/52 "2013-02-05T16:33:13Z")
He seemed highly skilled at the art of looking pissed-off. Whenever she got a closeup, it was like “CUE: girl, someone just stomped on your sammitch, but you can’t fight them so give 'em your dirtiest look.” I don’t know if that qualifies as an actual talent, but damn, she’s good at looking very pissed-off. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/53 "2013-02-05T16:47:38Z")
Amongst the cool kids nowadays, that’s referred to as looking fierce. Not so much angry, just fierce. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/54 "2013-02-05T16:52:03Z")
_Work_, [Beyonce](http://truthquake.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/beyonce-illuminati-countdown-music-video-freemason-devil-satanic-middle-finger-hand-signs-jay-z-rihanna-pyramid-baby-bump-666-4-watch-the-throne-ok-billboard-awards-vma-kanye-west-1+1-run-the-world-girls-vmas-lady-gaga-mad.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/55 "2013-02-05T23:36:21Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Beyonce isn’t even the hottest (or most talented) member of Destiny’s Child. > > Kelly Rowland, man… Right! [Come](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/WryOnRye/kellyrowland_zps0ced9ca6.png) [on](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/WryOnRye/k-row_zpsed32ba38.jpg), [you](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/WryOnRye/kelly-rowland-2378672_zps7bc3cc73.jpg) [guys](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/WryOnRye/kellyrowland_zps4fb40a78.jpg)! ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/56 "2013-02-06T01:25:14Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Right! > > [Come](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/WryOnRye/kellyrowland_zps0ced9ca6.png) [on](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/WryOnRye/k-row_zpsed32ba38.jpg), [you](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/WryOnRye/kelly-rowland-2378672_zps7bc3cc73.jpg) [guys](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/WryOnRye/kellyrowland_zps4fb40a78.jpg)! Kelly does have the most beautiful skin ever. Her complexion is just lovely. My husband says she has the kind of bottom lip you just want to bite. She doesn’t have the exciting presence that Beyonce has though, in my opinion. And poor [Michelle](http://www.funkydineva.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/photo.gif)looked like a lost old woman up there. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/57 "2013-02-06T04:43:11Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > And poor [Michelle](http://www.funkydineva.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/photo.gif)looked like a lost old woman up there. LOL! Apparently, Bey changed up the routine a bit before they got on stage— cut two or three songs with them, swapped others in. So, everything they had been rehearsing was out the window. I mean, at least that’s the excuse I’m using for poor Michelle. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/58 "2013-02-06T06:33:14Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Kelly does have the most beautiful skin ever. Her complexion is just lovely. My husband says she has the kind of bottom lip you just want to bite. > > She doesn’t have the exciting presence that Beyonce has though, in my opinion. Right, I guess she doesn’t have Beyonce’s star presence (or thighs), but she is oh so much prettier, plus I prefer her singing voice. > [@](#): > > And poor [Michelle](http://www.funkydineva.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/photo.gif)looked like a lost old woman up there. Ha! Someone posted that on Facebook, and while that’s somewhat amusing, like all self-important nerds, I didn’t watch the Super Bowl and didn’t see the performance so eh. Was it as good as Madonna’s last year? Because I’d written Madonna off a long time ago (like I have Beyonce), but ol’ girl’s performance was a little bit of kickass. Wait, why am I asking here? This is why god invented the internet. Will look it up now. Also, while we’re here, Beyonce’s sister, Solange, makes soooo much better music than she does. How come nobody told me how good she was? I’d been dismissing her all this time! Guilty by association and all of that. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/59 "2013-02-06T14:19:55Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > She doesn’t have the exciting presence that Beyonce has though, in my opinion. Prescence-shmesence. You just have to look at her work with Guetta to know she has the chops. What she _doesn’t_ have, that Bey does, is a pass on the brown paper bag test, is all. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298/60 "2013-02-06T15:16:06Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Prescence-shmesence. You just have to look at her work with Guetta to know she has the chops. What she _doesn’t_ have, that Bey does, is a pass on the brown paper bag test, is all. Did Whitney Houston need a [pass](http://www.whitneyhouston.com/sites/whouston/files/whitney_slider1_1_0.png?1350408647)? How about [Brandy](http://www.hdwallpapersarena.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/brandy_norwood1.jpg)? [Lauryn Hill?](http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Lauryn-Hill-lauryn-hill-60400_593_768.jpg) I understand that this society hasn’t embraced the beautiful darker hues of black women with the appreciation that I think is deserved, but I believe Beyonce has a star quality that goes beyond light skin. I do like Kelly, though. Her song Motivation was the piping hot jam for the bedroom! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/beyonce/649298.md?page=4)