# Bias against ghetto dwellers **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 25, 2003, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857 "2003-01-25T14:40:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![InLikeFlynn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f19dbf/32.png) [@InLikeFlynn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InLikeFlynn)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/141 "2003-01-26T03:10:23Z")
Truth time! Whoever society (at the time) places at its doorstep will always be looked upon as being inferior. Mid 1800 it was the Indians then the Chinese. At the turn of the century it was the Irish immigrants then the Italians. Blacks didn’t have any rights so they were naturally looked upon as being inferior. After the civil rights movements they are the ones that need to prove themselves worthy of being Americans. They are in no way inferior as a race; American society has labeled them so. In a hundred years, who ever is at the bottom of the pecking order will also be looked upon as such! ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/142 "2003-01-26T03:10:34Z")
> [@](#): > > So when dealing with the irrational it can be expected that they will claim victory when none was won. You really do enjoy making things up don’t you. When did I (or anyone) claim victory? > [@](#): > > Your group is better than the other group You think so? I didn’t write that. > [@](#): > > Which shows off beautifully your iimperviousness to logic and reason. No it doesn’t. > [@](#): > > ## quote: > > ## Originally posted by x-ray vision Look at that little… No, I can’t. The Howard Cosell line would get me kicked off here for sure. > > just shows how ugly you can be. Oh c’mon. Where’s your sense of humor? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![InLikeFlynn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f19dbf/32.png) [@InLikeFlynn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InLikeFlynn)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/143 "2003-01-26T03:13:52Z")
I bet that at one time each individual minority was the one to be most represented in our prision system! give or take a shade of skin tone! ---
**Author:** ![InLikeFlynn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f19dbf/32.png) [@InLikeFlynn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InLikeFlynn)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/144 "2003-01-26T03:21:42Z")
Although, I must say that Blacks are going to be hard to beat!! ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/145 "2003-01-26T03:23:40Z")
You gotta admit, that last comment is pretty funny! ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/146 "2003-01-26T03:53:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by x-ray vision \* > \*\*I don’t know if I’m right about this **John Mace** , but I think it’s mostly cultural. I know one thing I’m certain of that is cultural among many black areas in the U.S. is doing poorly in school. Many young blacks think it “isn’t cool” or think you’re being an Uncle Tom if you get good grades. Unfortunately, parents don’t do enough to encourage good grades or discourage bad grades. In schools in Manhattan, many people think the answer is more money for education. However, statistics show that most young Asians are excelling in the same schools. Of course it was very un-P.C. for anyone to point this out, so no mind is payed to it. Asian households are very conducive to children getting good grades in the same neighborhoods. > > How does one change the culture? I think it’s up to responsible black adults to admit there is a difference between us and not just call any one who points out the differences a racist. \*\* **x-ray** , where is your cite for the statistics that you have mentioned above? What schools are we talking about? Can you name them? How do you know what parents are and are not doing? Is this all black parents? Some? Got a percentage? What black people do you know? Even if they’re the type that you’re describing, how do you know what percentage of the black population they represent? More to the point…why are you stereotyping a group? Does that make you feel superior? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/147 "2003-01-26T04:00:27Z")
How do you explain the overrepresentation of blacks in our prison system? [According to many studies](http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00-05.htm#TopOfPage) the reason [is not because the commit more crimes](http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/dpic.r05.html#sxn4). The reason [is plain old racism.](http://www.crab.rutgers.edu/~goertzel/njstatepoliceprofiling.htm) The type of [racism displayed in this very thread.](http://www.sentencingproject.org/policy/9070smy.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/148 "2003-01-26T04:02:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by x-ray vision \* > I think most blacks are lazy from life experiences, not from gathering scientific evidence. Oh, well that settles it then. You can go crawl back under your bridge now. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/149 "2003-01-26T04:07:08Z")
X-ray: I’ve heard the theories you are talking about: getting good grades = trying to be white. It is just a theory, though, and there isn’t any real scientific evidence to support it. That would be a tough thing to do at any point. There could very well be some or even a lot of truth in it. I think a lot of kids of all races get hazed for being too smart. It’s a jealousy thing. And perhaps it’s more common in the black community than in others. Can you see why some people here get upset when you say somtheing like “Most blacks are lazy”? Think about it. There are upwards of 25M blacks in the US. Even if you know 25K blacks (impossible), that would only be .1% of the total poulation. Lets assume you know 25 blacks. Well, that’s .0001% of the total. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/150 "2003-01-26T04:07:45Z")
> [@](#): > > You gotta admit, that last comment is pretty funny! All the stuff you’ve been writing is funny. Can’t you hear us laughing at you? Take a bow. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/151 "2003-01-26T04:08:47Z")
Ok **Biggirl** , blame it on the cops. A study was done to see if blacks were pulled over more by New Jersey state Troopers because of racism or because more blacks then whites speed. Guess which it was. And no, I don’t have a cite, I read it in the newspaper at the time. Go look it up. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/152 "2003-01-26T04:10:36Z")
> [@](#): > > ## quote: > > ## Originally posted by x-ray vision I think most blacks are lazy from life experiences, not from gathering scientific evidence. > > Oh, well that settles it then. You can go crawl back under your bridge now. Yup, that settles it. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/153 "2003-01-26T04:14:02Z")
This isn’t even an argument. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/154 "2003-01-26T04:14:24Z")
Funny X, I did look it up and I do have a cite. While you have the facts in front of you but continue to stick your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes. I do not expect you to read and understand my cites because you are being quite irrational, as I stated before I didn’t blame the cops, by the way. I blamed people like you. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/155 "2003-01-26T04:18:34Z")
> [@](#): > > A study was done to see if blacks were pulled over more by New Jersey state Troopers because of racism or because more blacks then whites speed. And the findings of that study proved nothing since the disportionate number of black drivers who are singled out don’t receive a similar number of speeding tickets. This indicates that speeding isn’t the “offense” cited when many blacks are profiled on the highway, so speeding isn’t an explanation for the biased stats. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/156 "2003-01-26T04:19:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by x-ray vision \* > \*\*Ok **Biggirl** , blame it on the cops. A study was done to see if blacks were pulled over more by New Jersey state Troopers because of racism or because more blacks then whites speed. Guess which it was. And no, I don’t have a cite, I read it in the newspaper at the time. Go look it up. \*\* Did you read it on the bathroom wall while you were skimming the newspaper? There has been no comprehensive study of speeding habits of drivers broken down by race. That New Jersey study is controversial and surfaced during a time when the troopers were in hot water about racial profiling. The question is, how do you make the leep from speeding to crime? ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/157 "2003-01-26T04:20:42Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ve heard the theories you are talking about: getting good grades = trying to be white. It is just a theory, though, and there isn’t any real scientific evidence to support it. It’s not just a theory, even without the study if you live where I do it’s pretty obvious even before the statistics were gathered. > [@](#): > > That would be a tough thing to do at any point. No it wouln’t. > [@](#): > > Can you see why some people here get upset when you say somtheing like “Most blacks are lazy”? Yeah, I could see why. I believe it’s because they know it, but don’t want it pointed out. > [@](#): > > Even if you know 25K blacks (impossible), that would only be .1% of the total poulation. Lets assume you know 25 blacks. Well, that’s .0001% of the total. So what. Like I said, it’s what I’ve seen with my own eyes over many years. I think it follows a bit of a pattern. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/158 "2003-01-26T04:27:35Z")
Without facts to back up your inflamatory, bigotted statements **X** , perhaps our GD lite forum-- IMHO-- would be better suited for your level of debating skills. Your baseless and unsupported opinions are just that, opinions. Without any proof they are stupid, racists opinions to boot. It’s a pattern I’ve seen with my own eyes. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/159 "2003-01-26T04:31:36Z")
Why are opinions based on life exreriences stupid? You’re really behaving childish. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2003, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857/160 "2003-01-26T04:34:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by x-ray vision \* > \*\*Why are opinions based on life exreriences stupid? You’re really behaving childish. \*\* Well they are only your opinions, from your limited experience, and from what you’ve written, I’d say your experience is seriously limited. IMHO, IMO, is probably a more appropriate place for you opinions, though, there is a PIT thread with your name on it just waiting for you to grace it with your presence. Don’t be afraid, just do it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bias-against-ghetto-dwellers/150857.md?page=9)