# Bible John- Glasgow **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 13, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-john-glasgow/621777 "2012-05-13T15:45:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-john-glasgow/621777/1 "2012-05-13T15:45:54Z")
I’m talking of the serial killer in Glasgow. [Linky.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_John) I watched a show on this last night and also had a brief discussion with \*\*Hermette \*\*who resides in Glasgow. She mentions that the killer is well remembered. There is some thought that Peter Tobin, a creep who murdered a few young girls may indeed have been Bible John. I really have doubts as the methodology was quite different and (unless there were unreported killings) there is a substantial time gap. I also wonder why the only known person to have seen Bible John did not give a positive recognition of Tobin. She died in 2010, three years after his arrest. Also, DNA from the victims clothes did not come from Tobin. I acknowledge this doesn’t clear him, it just doesn’t convict him. Any thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-john-glasgow/621777/2 "2012-05-14T09:57:11Z")
I still suspect him but have absolutely no proof 🙂 As mentioned in PMs, he was in prison for some of the time-gap, and married for some of the rest of it, which I think tends to correspond with drops in activity in other serial killers. Link to the only person to have seen Bible John (and lived to tell the tale) please? ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-john-glasgow/621777/3 "2012-05-14T10:04:44Z")
It was Helen Puttocks sister Jean. She is mentioned on the [wiki article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_John). She doesn’t have a page of her won. ---
**Author:** ![medicated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@medicated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medicated)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-john-glasgow/621777/4 "2012-05-14T10:24:44Z")
There was something on the BBC several years ago about a DNA test on an unrelated crime (around 2006 perhaps?) turning out to be very close to the Bible John profile. Has anything new come of this? ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-john-glasgow/621777/5 "2012-05-14T10:26:42Z")
You may be thinking of Peter M. I think the DNA cleared him. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-john-glasgow/621777/6 "2012-05-14T10:31:39Z")
Just something I came across while looking this up. [Story.](http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/3847506/Bible-Johns-either-dead-or-at-large-but-he-is-NOT-Peter-Tobin.html) ---
**Author:** ![medicated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@medicated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medicated)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-john-glasgow/621777/7 "2012-05-14T10:38:06Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > You may be thinking of Peter M. I think the DNA cleared him. Turns out that there’s mention of it on the wiki page now. Apparently a minor crime in 2002 produced DNA that was a fairly close match, and that the police were intending to test a number of people. That’s it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-john-glasgow/621777/8 "2012-05-14T10:44:55Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > Just something I came across while looking this up. > > [Story.](http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/3847506/Bible-Johns-either-dead-or-at-large-but-he-is-NOT-Peter-Tobin.html) Interesting! “In fact she believes a man Tobin knew at the time could have been the violent devil who has eluded police for decades.” ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-john-glasgow/621777/9 "2012-05-14T11:54:41Z")
Hermette, [for you.](http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2010/09/26/hunt-for-bible-john-comes-to-an-end-after-only-witness-in-case-dies-86908-22588146/) Just regards the death of the witness. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-john-glasgow/621777/10 "2012-05-14T11:57:20Z")
Is it wrong of me to wonder what her cause of death was? 😉 Okay, ignorance fought, Tobin was not Bible John! I wonder why he did stop killing then? Or did he move elsewhere and continue? ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-john-glasgow/621777/11 "2012-05-14T12:01:10Z")
One other thing sort of gets me. In the killings Tobin was convicted of, they were young girls- at least considerably younger (eldest was 23 I think). Of his three wives two were teenagers and one was about 2 years older than him. He seemed to have a thing for young girls. yet the Bible John victims were all older than him and some quite a deal older. One was 32- when you are 23 that can be a big difference. It doesn’t seem to add up.