# Bible mentions Earth as a ring. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 27, 2014, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411 "2014-02-27T12:22:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/41 "2014-02-27T13:51:24Z")
> [@karol](#): > > All the science you believe in is…relative. Even Einstein said that. No he didn’t. He did not say that. He said things about relativity as a property of spacetime, but that does not and should not give you license to shoehorn ‘relative’ into any old bullshit sentence and attribute it to Einstein. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/42 "2014-02-27T13:52:55Z")
> [@karol](#): > > If someone wants to he will read and research on his own. If he does not he will wait for what others write. > You’ve got it all here: > > [http://www.youtube.com/user/keycheck](http://www.youtube.com/user/keycheck) Reported as spam. Since you won’t engage in discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/43 "2014-02-27T13:54:08Z")
> [@karol](#): > > All the science you believe in is…relative. Even Einstein said that. No, he didn’t. > [@](#): > > It doesn’t have to necessarily reflect the reality as it’s based on mathematical assumptions. And you defend it like lions, mostly not even understanding things and being unable to check them. You believe them to be true. Sorry, but that’s what it is like 🙂 You and Gene Ray should definitely meet up. You have so much in common. ---
**Author:** ![karol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/977dab/32.png) [@karol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/karol)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/44 "2014-02-27T13:55:06Z")
“As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.” - Albert Einstein ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/45 "2014-02-27T13:56:08Z")
> [@karol](#): > > “As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.” - Albert Einstein Which is not very similar to what you asserted. Relativity and uncertainty are two different things. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/46 "2014-02-27T13:56:24Z")
> [@karol](#): > > “As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.” - Albert Einstein I don’t think that quote means what you think it means. ---
**Author:** ![karol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/977dab/32.png) [@karol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/karol)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/47 "2014-02-27T13:56:34Z")
> [@SiXSwordS](#): > > Read the article carefully. The central idea seems to be that the earth is hollow. > > from the artclie linked in the OP > "Heaven is described with the same word as the Earth. I remind you that etymology of the word γύρος is a rim, circle that encompasses something that is inside. > > What is inside the circle of the Earth ? Heaven." > > (Find the text “What is it and what does it all look like ?” in the article to see the picture of the image of a hollow earth.) > > The author goes on to say: “I decided to describe one more verse concerning the…bent sunrays from the Hollow Earth picture on the previous page.” > … > “God covered Himself with light as a garment. How can you cover yourself with something ? Only when you are inside. > The sunrays that hit the Earth…go back to the core of Universe (Heaven of Heavens) thus covering God with light as a garment.” > > The argument is not that the bible agrees with contemporary concepts of the Earth, it is that the Earth is hollow, with the Universe inside a concave Earth. At least one with reading skills. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/48 "2014-02-27T13:59:47Z")
> [@karol](#): > > At least one with reading skills. So, if someone disagrees with you it’s because they don’t have reading skills, or they are too wedded to some scientific group-think. So I ask again, is there room in your world-view for **your** work to be treated with the same skepticism you expect others to have current scientific data? ---
**Author:** ![karol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/977dab/32.png) [@karol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/karol)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/49 "2014-02-27T14:00:46Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > So, if someone disagrees with you it’s because they don’t have reading skills, or they are too wedded to some scientific group-think. > > So I ask again, is there room in your world-view for **your** work to be treated with the same skepticism you expect others to have current scientific data? You can’t disagree when you can’t read and don’t understand what you read. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/50 "2014-02-27T14:03:26Z")
> [@karol](#): > > Yes and that can be easily proved too. But as usual you will look and not see, having the official ‘science’ in the back of your head. Please prove the photographs from space are fake. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/51 "2014-02-27T14:07:56Z")
> [@karol](#): > > You can’t disagree when you can’t read and don’t understand what you read. That doesn’t answer my question. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/52 "2014-02-27T14:09:01Z")
I’ve seen the diagrams you’ve link to, the ones that show the Earth as a ring and/or a disk, and I see that you’ve managed to save me the trouble of calling you the worst thing one can call another when it comes to science: _You are an actual flat-earther_. Because the amount of willful scientific ignorance needed to follow such childish claptrap is hard to attain in today’s world of the internet, most supposed “flat-earthers” are just going along with the joke, but you seem to be the real thing. You are self-mocking, and there is absolutely nothing I can add insult-wise that can top what you call yourself. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/53 "2014-02-27T14:10:10Z")
> [@karol](#): > > You can’t disagree when you can’t read and don’t understand what you read. Let me see if understand you… Countless scientists and engineers and doctors and various researchers around the world and through time, got it all WRONG, and you are the only one who is RIGHT. May we know where your areas of training, education, expertise lie? On what basis are you the authority? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/54 "2014-02-27T14:12:00Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > On what basis are you the authority? He can read. Apparently those of us who are skeptical are so because we cannot read. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/55 "2014-02-27T14:12:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Please prove the photographs from space are fake. Yes, please. I want to see this too. ---
**Author:** ![karol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/977dab/32.png) [@karol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/karol)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/56 "2014-02-27T14:15:44Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Yes, please. I want to see this too. The horizon is flat and on eye level no matter what the height is. So called declination of the horizon is a lie. It does not exist. Here’s the source, watch, read and then you can bluff happily. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQyaXU4u9Es](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQyaXU4u9Es) (captions and annotations) first page of this: [http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2397376/pg1](http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2397376/pg1). **Discussion on visibility range.** ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/57 "2014-02-27T14:16:23Z")
Sometimes you can’t fight the ignorance. The best you can do is to slap a sign on its back as a warning to others and send it on its way. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/58 "2014-02-27T14:21:40Z")
> [@karol](#): > > The horizon is flat and on eye level no matter what the height is. So called declination of the horizon is a lie. It does not exist. > Here’s the source, watch, read and then you can bluff happily. > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQyaXU4u9Es](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQyaXU4u9Es) (captions and annotations) > > first page of this: [http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2397376/pg1](http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2397376/pg1). **Discussion on visibility range.** I can’t watch Youtube videos from my current location, but I promise I will take a look later. I’ll thank you not to assume you already know my response. What about photographs of the Earth taken from the moon? The Earth looks looks pretty curved in those ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/59 "2014-02-27T14:23:29Z")
> [@karol](#): > > The horizon is flat and on eye level no matter what the height is. So called declination of the horizon is a lie. It does not exist. > Here’s the source, watch, read and then you can bluff happily. > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQyaXU4u9Es](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQyaXU4u9Es) (captions and annotations) > > first page of this: [http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2397376/pg1](http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2397376/pg1). **Discussion on visibility range.** Wow. This is not even borderline insanity. It’s full on crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411/60 "2014-02-27T14:23:57Z")
> [@karol](#): > > The horizon is flat and on eye level no matter what the height is. So called declination of the horizon is a lie. It does not exist. > Here’s the source, watch, read and then you can bluff happily. > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQyaXU4u9Es](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQyaXU4u9Es) (captions and annotations) > > first page of this: [http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2397376/pg1](http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2397376/pg1). **Discussion on visibility range.** On the one hand, we’ve got some guy you cited on the Internet. On the other, we’ve got airplanes and GPS. Having been in an airplane at 35,000 feet up (from which the curvature of the Earth is well-visible), I think I’ll go with science rather than internet crackpots. Man - and I thought the “expanding Earth” crowd were obtuse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-mentions-earth-as-a-ring/682411.md?page=4)