# Bible prophecy **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 9, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460 "2016-03-09T19:30:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/21 "2016-03-09T20:13:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You sticking with the “over 1/3 of the Bible is prophecy” claim? Yuo’ve never even read the bible and you are going to argue with me about its contents? Ever heard of the prophet Isaiah? the prophet Ezekiel? The prophet Jeremiah? the prophet Zechariah? the prophet Zephaniah? the prophet Hosea? the prophet Habbakuk? the prophet Joel? the prophet Micah? the prophet Haggi? the prophet Jonah? the prophet Obadiah? the prophet Samuel? the prophet Nahum\> the prophet John? the prophecies of Psalms, the largest book of the bible? Go away you are clueless ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/22 "2016-03-09T20:14:04Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Please stop before you embarrass yourself > > You clearly know NOTHING about any of this on even the most elementary level. I know that to be the prophesied “messiah” Jesus would have had to have been a direct _patriarchal_ descendant of David. Who was his daddy, again? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/23 "2016-03-09T20:16:02Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Yuo’ve never even read the bible and you are going to argue with me about its contents? > > Ever heard of the prophet Isaiah? Sure. He’s the guy that called Cyrus the messiah. ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/24 "2016-03-09T20:16:48Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Well, as to that:](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bible#Literal_guide_to_truth) Atheist (not that u are one) love to tote this nonsense out, but the fact is the OT was collated, translated and on record well before Christ was ever born. We have multiple sources that SECULAR science proves pre dated Christ by centuries. Including the DEAD SEA SCROLLS. Which contained almost every book of the OT. So secular science has PROVEN these prophecies predate Jesus by centuries. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/25 "2016-03-09T20:17:12Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Please stop before you embarrass yourself > > You clearly know NOTHING about any of this on even the most elementary level. I recognize you by your fruits, false prophet. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/26 "2016-03-09T20:17:58Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Yuo’ve never even read the bible and you are going to argue with me about its contents? > > Ever heard of the prophet Isaiah? > > the prophet Ezekiel? > The prophet Jeremiah? > the prophet Zechariah? > the prophet Zephaniah? > the prophet Hosea? > the prophet Habbakuk? > the prophet Joel? > the prophet Micah? > the prophet Haggi? > the prophet Jonah? > the prophet Obadiah? > the prophet Samuel? > the prophet Nahum\> > the prophet John? > the prophecies of Psalms, the largest book of the bible? > > Go away you are clueless Next time you pick up that book, open it up and read it instead of memorizing the chapter titles. ---
**Author:** ![OffByOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/45deac/32.png) [@OffByOne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OffByOne)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/27 "2016-03-09T20:20:22Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Please stop before you embarrass yourself > > You clearly know NOTHING about any of this on even the most elementary level. That’s right ™! Until you accept the Lord Jeebus Crikey as you eternal savior, the scales on your eyes will prevent you from seeing the Truth ™. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/28 "2016-03-09T20:20:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Have _you?_ As has been pointed out, two of your links are dead. Where did you cut-and-paste this mess from? Looks like much of the OP was cut-and-pasted from [here](http://www.niu.csnbbs.com/thread-740078-page-5.html). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/29 "2016-03-09T20:32:31Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Over 1/3rd of the bible is prophecy. What percentage of it is begatting? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/30 "2016-03-09T20:33:00Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > You can’t deny Jesus was born in Bethlehem, or that he was betrayed, or that he was crucified, or that he buried with the rich, or that he rose form the dead, or claimed to take the sins of the whole world upon Himself. Are you kidding? Sure you can. There isn’t compelling evidence for _any_ of those claims! ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/31 "2016-03-09T20:35:02Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > You need to actually look at the specific prophecies before you start asking questions about them. > > Most key prophecies are things you simply can’t deny. Like the stunning return of the Jews to Israel and Jerusalem after 1900 years of exile. > > You can’t deny Jesus was born in Bethlehem, or that he was betrayed, or that he was crucified, or that he buried with the rich, or that he rose form the dead, or claimed to take the sins of the whole world upon Himself. > > All specifically prophesied in the OT. All accepted as fact today by the whole world. > > No other human who ever lived could meet these criteria. The math is off the charts impossible. I deny every bit of this post - ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/32 "2016-03-09T20:37:03Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > [snip] … Go away you are clueless Jesus would never say that, “Suffer the lil’ children to come unto me” or some such … ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/33 "2016-03-09T20:39:09Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Interesting that the other thread was locked in just 15 minutes, but here we go again. The other thread was locked because it was neither a debate, (the purpose of this forum), nor witnessing, (that is tolerated in this forum), but merely a set of links. Witnessing is tolerated by the rules of the forum, but it will be greeted by posters seeking to debate the claims and it would be well to remain civil in one’s responses. The following are really not very civil: > [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Please stop before you embarrass yourself > > You clearly know NOTHING about any of this on even the most elementary level. > [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Yuo’ve never even read the bible and you are going to argue with me about its contents? > . . . > Go away you are clueless Telling the the target of one’s witnessing to go away is not civil. Making the false assumption that someone who challenges you is ignorant is neither civil nor wise. A number of posters on this board who have no belief in Christianity are quite well versed in the Bible and many who are Christians do not happen to share your particular beliefs regarding the Bible. If you would like to do God’s work, (as you perceive it(, you will be more successful if you are less hostile. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/34 "2016-03-09T20:39:15Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Jesus would never say that, “Suffer the lil’ children to come unto me” or some such … well, we _are_ suffering. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/35 "2016-03-09T20:40:35Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > [snip] … 6) The Bible also prophecies much more detail on Jesus centuries before His birth, that He would be the seed of a woman, the line of Shem, the line of Abraham, the line of Issac, the line of Jacob, from the tribe of Judah, Family of Jesse and the House of King David. ALL proven true in Christs time. The Jews kept EXACT lineages and Christs was kept intact before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. [http://web.ccbce.com/multimedia/BLB/faq/nbi/234.html](http://web.ccbce.com/multimedia/BLB/faq/nbi/234.html) … [snip] That means Joseph is Jesus’ father (Mat 1). ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/36 "2016-03-09T20:40:49Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Looks like much of the OP was cut-and-pasted from [here](http://www.niu.csnbbs.com/thread-740078-page-5.html). Correct. Those are my original posts. I have a bunch more threads on this subject there and a few other places. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/37 "2016-03-09T20:43:35Z")
> [@](#): > > The sad thing is the heathen today have secular proof that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. How do you feel about [Ezekiel 29](http://biblehub.com/niv/ezekiel/29.htm) which specifically says Egypt will be conquered by Nebuchadnezzar? > [@](#): > > The foot of neither man nor beast will pass through it; no one will live there for forty years. I will make the land of Egypt desolate among devastated lands, and her cities will lie desolate forty years among ruined cities. And I will disperse the Egyptians among the nations and scatter them through the countries. I freely grant that “40 years” is an expression and just means “a lot of years” or “a long time” but Nebuchadnezzar never conquered Egypt and Egypt was never empty from Migdol to Aswan during his days. There’s a similarly wrong prophecy about Nebuchadnezzar conquering Tyre that is explicitly acknowledged to have not come true in Ezekiel 29:17 through 29:20 (where is says because he didn’t conquer Tyre and get his rewards, he’ll get them from conquering Egypt). ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/38 "2016-03-09T20:43:46Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > The other thread was locked because it was neither a debate, (the purpose of this forum), nor witnessing, (that is tolerated in this forum), but merely a set of links. > > Witnessing is tolerated by the rules of the forum, but it will be greeted by posters seeking to debate the claims and it would be well to remain civil in one’s responses. The following are really not very civil: > > Telling the the target of one’s witnessing to go away is not civil. Making the false assumption that someone who challenges you is ignorant is neither civil nor wise. A number of posters on this board who have no belief in Christianity are quite well versed in the Bible and many who are Christians do not happen to share your particular beliefs regarding the Bible. > If you would like to do God’s work, (as you perceive it(, you will be more successful if you are less hostile. > > [/Moderating] That fact is he was arguing an absurd point. I did nothing wrong but point out the laughable absurdity of what he was saying. He clearly did not know what he was talking about at all. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/39 "2016-03-09T20:49:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > well, we _are_ suffering. I have four noble truths I can sell you … cheap (they’re lightly used). ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/40 "2016-03-09T20:49:45Z")
> [@Tzigone](#): > > How do you feel about [Ezekiel 29](http://biblehub.com/niv/ezekiel/29.htm) which specifically says Egypt will be conquered by Nebuchadnezzar? > I freely grant that “40 years” is an expression and just means “a lot of years” or “a long time” but Nebuchadnezzar never conquered Egypt and Egypt was never empty from Migdol to Aswan during his days. > > There’s a similarly wrong prophecy about Nebuchadnezzar conquering Tyre that is explicitly acknowledged to have not come true in Ezekiel 29:17 through 29:20 (where is says because he didn’t conquer Tyre and get his rewards, he’ll get them from conquering Egypt). Secular history records that Nebuchadnezzar did in fact kill King Necho II of Egypt Tyre was also destroyed. The later city of Tyre was founded by a completely different people who used the famous name of Tyre. The original city was destroyed and is still in ruins and underwater. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460.md?page=3)