# Bible prophecy **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 9, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460 "2016-03-09T19:30:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/41 "2016-03-09T20:51:56Z")
If you are truly curious as to why some think Jesus doesn’t fulfill the required prophecies to be a messiah, [read this.](http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html) It discusses all the ways he doesn’t qualify for the job. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/42 "2016-03-09T20:51:56Z")
What about Matthew 12:42? It says “The Queen of the South will rise…” They’re currently [fifth](http://spfl.co.uk/championship/table/) in the second tier of Scottish football, seven points behind Raith Rovers and looking unlikely to rise this season. So where does that leave your Biblical prophecies? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/43 "2016-03-09T20:56:00Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > You can’t deny Jesus was born in Bethlehem, or that he was betrayed, or that he was crucified, or that he buried with the rich, or that he rose form the dead, or claimed to take the sins of the whole world upon Himself. > > All specifically prophesied in the OT. All accepted as fact today by the whole world. > > No other human who ever lived could meet these criteria. The math is off the charts impossible. It was well known that Jesus was from Nazareth, so the writers of the Bible had to invent a story about the census (of which there is no evidence) to justify him being born in Bethlehem. Just like they had to invent the myth of the virgin birth to justify the writer of Matthew’s mistranslation of young girl into virgin. My teachers in Hebrew could read the Bible in its original language - and they are not at all impressed with Christianity. And by the way, Psalms are only prophecy if you wrest incorrect meaning from the poetry. And Nostradamus has a higher percentage of prophecy than the Bible even assuming your laughable overestimation is correct. ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/44 "2016-03-09T20:58:53Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Jesus would never say that, “Suffer the lil’ children to come unto me” or some such … Jesus to Peter: “Get Away from Me Satan!” Jesus to the Pharisees: “YOU are FOOLS!” ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/45 "2016-03-09T21:00:35Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Over 1/3rd of the bible is prophecy. Its what separates it from all other books ever written. You’re off to a bad start. Nostradamus wrote ‘Les Prophecies’, which consists almost entirely of prophecies. Also which third of the Bible is prophecy? For example, Chronicles 1 and 2 are practically all genealogy. > [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > The sad thing is the heathen today have secular proof that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. But today they all have been led to believe that the total opposite is true, and they never bother to TRULY look for themselves. I attended 10 years of Sunday School, won the Religious Knowledge prize at my State School and have discussed the Bible with many people. Interestingly you’re the first one to claim the Bible is 100% accurate. Vicars, Deacons, Bishops, Canons, Chaplains all agree that the Bible contains errors (and much symbolism.) Having studied the Bible in depth, I am now an atheist. (I was particularly troubled by the contradictions in the Gospels concerning Jesus rising from the dead.) > [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > 1. The bible tells us Israel would be destroyed (Daniel 9:28) and the Jews would be scattered ALL across the face of the earth (Ezekiel 37 + Virtually every other prophet in the OT), and they they would return in 1948. A prophecy TO THE YEAR given 2500+ years ago. AND IT CAME TRUE IN 1948, JUST AS PROPHESIED. (Lev 26:18-24) & (Ezek 4:4-7) Leviticus 26: 18-24 contains no information about dates. Ezekiel 4: 4-7 says the House of Israel shall bear iniquity a total for 430 years. Where on earth do you get 1948 from that? ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/46 "2016-03-09T21:04:06Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > It was well known that Jesus was from Nazareth, so the writers of the Bible had to invent a story about the census (of which there is no evidence) to justify him being born in Bethlehem. Just like they had to invent the myth of the virgin birth to justify the writer of Matthew’s mistranslation of young girl into virgin. > > My teachers in Hebrew could read the Bible in its original language - and they are not at all impressed with Christianity. > And by the way, Psalms are only prophecy if you wrest incorrect meaning from the poetry. > > And Nostradamus has a higher percentage of prophecy than the Bible even assuming your laughable overestimation is correct. The problem is the bible says Jesus was born in BETHLEHEM, not Nazareth. (Micah 5:2) And those prophesies were written before Jesus was born and secular science has PROVEN this. The OT was translated into Greek 200 years before the birth of Christ. So you can’t argue its made up after the fact. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/47 "2016-03-09T21:04:31Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Jesus to the Pharisees: > > “YOU are FOOLS!” “And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.” -Matthew 5:22 ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/48 "2016-03-09T21:07:03Z")
> [@glee](#): > > You’re off to a bad start. Nostradamus wrote ‘Les Prophecies’, which consists almost entirely of prophecies. > Also which third of the Bible is prophecy? For example, Chronicles 1 and 2 are practically all genealogy. > > I attended 10 years of Sunday School, won the Religious Knowledge prize at my State School and have discussed the Bible with many people. > Interestingly you’re the first one to claim the Bible is 100% accurate. Vicars, Deacons, Bishops, Canons, Chaplains all agree that the Bible contains errors (and much symbolism.) > Having studied the Bible in depth, I am now an atheist. (I was particularly troubled by the contradictions in the Gospels concerning Jesus rising from the dead.) > > Leviticus 26: 18-24 contains no information about dates. > Ezekiel 4: 4-7 says the House of Israel shall bear iniquity a total for 430 years. > > Where on earth do you get 1948 from that? the same place everyone else gets it. > **[Mathematical Bible Prophecy](http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/mathprophecy2.html)** > > A mathematical Bible prophecy of the Messiah > **[DomainMarket.com, Claim Your Brand!](https://www.domainmarket.com/buynow/waitingforjesus.com)** > > DomainMarket.com sells premium domain names to entrepreneurs, businesses, and nonprofits that want to dominate their online marketplaces and control great brands. > **[Prophecy Fulfilled: Israel Becomes A Nation In 1948](http://www.end-times-bible-prophecy.com/prophecy-fulfilled-israel-becomes-a-nation-in-1948.html)** > > Prophecy Fulfilled: Israel Becomes a Nation in 1948. Did you know the bible prophesied the rebirth of Israel in the year 1948? Prior to 1948, Israel last existed as an independent nation in 606 B.C. when the first captives of Israel were taken by... [http://www.hebroots.org/hebrootsarchive/9808/9808\_m.html](http://www.hebroots.org/hebrootsarchive/9808/9808_m.html) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/49 "2016-03-09T21:07:36Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > The problem is the bible says Jesus was born in BETHLEHEM, not Nazareth. (Micah 5:2) > > And those prophesies were written before Jesus was born and secular science has PROVEN this. > > The OT was translated into Greek 200 years before the birth of Christ. > > So you can’t argue its made up after the fact. Have you anything to say about all the prophesies he didn’t fulfill?(see post #41) ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/50 "2016-03-09T21:07:50Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Leviticus 26: 18-24 contains no information about dates. > Ezekiel 4: 4-7 says the House of Israel shall bear iniquity a total for 430 years. > > Where on earth do you get 1948 from that? Take the 18 and divide it by the 2 in 26 and you get 9; put the 1 from 18 in front of 9; now 19; add the 4 to the end; now add the 8 from 18 to the end of that: 1948! Q.E.D. ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/51 "2016-03-09T21:09:44Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > “And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.” -Matthew 5:22 Read the context. Its wrong to call people fools when they are not guilty of your accusations. Jesus, the prophets, God and the Apostles all called unbelievers fools repeatedly. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/52 "2016-03-09T21:09:49Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > 1. The Bible also prophecies much more detail on Jesus centuries before His birth, that He would be the seed of a woman, the line of Shem, the line of Abraham, the line of Issac, the line of Jacob, from the tribe of Judah, Family of Jesse and the House of King David. ALL proven true in Christs time. Very impressive. After all, what are the odds that someone from the tribe of Judah would also be from the line of Jacob? And what are the odds that someone descended from Isaac would also be descended from Abraham, let alone Shem? I’m almost convinced. > [@](#): > > The Jews kept EXACT lineages and Christs was kept intact before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. I have great news for you. The genealogy of Jesus was not irretrievably lost in the fall of Jerusalem. After years of research, I have located a complete list of his ancestors, from Joseph all the way back to King David and beyond. It’s in the first chapter of Matthew. The only trouble is, there’s another one in the third chapter of Luke, and it is completely different. It’s almost as if they just made stuff up about Jesus to make it look like he fulfilled prophecies. Of course, even with all their help, there’s no doubt that he didn’t do anything a Messiah was supposed to do, like drive the Romans out of Israel. All that aside, it’s not that big a deal to be prophesied in the Bible. [Ezekiel 23:20](http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/23-20.htm) is an uncannily accurate prophecy about me, and you don’t hear me bragging about it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/53 "2016-03-09T21:10:59Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > the same place everyone else gets it. > [Mathematical Bible Prophecy](http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/mathprophecy2.html) > > [http://waitingforjesus.com/1948prophecyfulfilled.html](http://waitingforjesus.com/1948prophecyfulfilled.html) > > [Prophecy Fulfilled: Israel Becomes A Nation In 1948](http://www.end-times-bible-prophecy.com/prophecy-fulfilled-israel-becomes-a-nation-in-1948.html) > > [Israel's Rebirth in 1948 fortold by Ezekiel](http://www.hebroots.org/hebrootsarchive/9808/9808_m.html) What a load of mathematical voodoo. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/54 "2016-03-09T21:11:22Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Secular history records that Nebuchadnezzar did in fact kill King Necho II of Egypt And that is not at all what the propechy said would happen. It said, cities destroyed, Egypt barren of man or animal, and population scattered. That **did not happen** , no matter how many Egyptian kings were killed. Also, although it would not all affect the prophecy’s inaccuracy (because Egypt **was not made barren and empty** ), I’d like secular sources on Nebuchadnezzar kiling Necho II. I don’t know anything Necho II except a spectacular lost battle. I’ve never seen reference to how he died. > [@](#): > > Tyre was also destroyed. > > The later city of Tyre was founded by a completely different people who used the famous name of Tyre. > > The original city was destroyed and is still in ruins and underwater. Nope. As the bible itself flat-out says, Nebuchadnezzar did not destroy Tyre. Prophecy failed. [Wikipedia,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II) secular mainline historian representative (not the best source, but easily accessible) says “ended in a compromise, with the Tyrians accepting Babylonian authority” which is no sense the same as > [@](#): > > For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: From the north I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, with horsemen and a great army. He will ravage your settlements on the mainland with the sword; he will set up siege works against you, build a ramp up to your walls and raise his shields against you. He will direct the blows of his battering rams against your walls and demolish your towers with his weapons. His horses will be so many that they will cover you with dust. Your walls will tremble at the noise of the warhorses, wagons and chariots when he enters your gates as men enter a city whose walls have been broken through. The hooves of his horses will trample all your streets; he will kill your people with the sword, and your strong pillars will fall to the ground. They will plunder your wealth and loot your merchandise; they will break down your walls and demolish your fine houses and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea. **I will put an end to your noisy songs, and the music of your harps will be heard no more. I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt** , for I the Lord have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/55 "2016-03-09T21:12:00Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Read the context. > > Its wrong to call people folls when they are not guilty of your accusations. > > Jesus, the prophets, God and the Apostles all called unbelievers fools repeatedly. And which of these are you? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/56 "2016-03-09T21:14:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What a load of mathematical voodoo. :rolleyes: I hadn’t even clicked on the links when I posted, but I think my solution is simpler. ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/57 "2016-03-09T21:17:53Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Very impressive. After all, what are the odds that someone from the tribe of Judah would also be from the line of Jacob? And what are the odds that someone descended from Isaac would also be descended from Abraham, let alone Shem? I’m almost convinced. > > I have great news for you. The genealogy of Jesus was not irretrievably lost in the fall of Jerusalem. After years of research, I have located a complete list of his ancestors, from Joseph all the way back to King David and beyond. It’s in the first chapter of Matthew. > > The only trouble is, there’s another one in the third chapter of Luke, and it is completely different. It’s almost as if they just made stuff up about Jesus to make it look like he fulfilled prophecies. Of course, even with all their help, there’s no doubt that he didn’t do anything a Messiah was supposed to do, like drive the Romans out of Israel. > > All that aside, it’s not that big a deal to be prophesied in the Bible. [Ezekiel 23:20](http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/23-20.htm) is an uncannily accurate prophecy about me, and you don’t hear me bragging about it. lol Were are the other 350+ prophecies predicting your birth, birthplace, life, ministry, betrayal, crucifixion, burial, and resurrection? To be the Messiah, you have to fulfill all of them, not just one or two. Were you born in Bethlehem Israel, a tiny little town of about 1000 people? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/58 "2016-03-09T21:20:08Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > lol > > Were are the other 350+ prophecies predicting your birth, birthplace, life, ministry, betrayal, crucifixion, burial, and resurrection? > > To be the Messiah, you have to fulfill all of them, not just one or two. > > Were you born in Bethlehem Israel, a tiny little town of about 1000 people? Once again, Jesus certainly didn’t fulfill the necessary ones-see post #41. ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/59 "2016-03-09T21:20:12Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I hadn’t even clicked on the links when I posted, but I think my solution is simpler. Amazing. People won’t even give it an honest look. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/60 "2016-03-09T21:22:16Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I hadn’t even clicked on the links when I posted, but I think my solution is simpler. Please click on them-if we had the ROFLMFAO smiley available, you’d be using it, I guarantee. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460.md?page=4)