# Bible prophecy **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 9, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460 "2016-03-09T19:30:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/61 "2016-03-09T21:23:38Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Amazing. People won’t even give it an honest look. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” -Matthew 7:3-5 ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/62 "2016-03-09T21:24:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Once again, Jesus certainly didn’t fulfill the necessary ones-see post #41. Once again, you are discussing thing you never bothered to look into to. The Jews had to reject Jesus to fulfill prophecy, Otherwise the Gentiles could never be saved, and all of mankind would never have been redeemed for their sins. The Messiah had to be rejected, and put to death for all mans sins. Its impossible for you to discuss this if you don’t even understand the most basic points of Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/63 "2016-03-09T21:24:23Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Amazing. People won’t even give it an honest look. Bible code? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/64 "2016-03-09T21:27:17Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” -Matthew 7:3-5 Sharing scriptures on prophecy has nothing to do with this verse. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/65 "2016-03-09T21:27:56Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Interesting that the other thread was locked in just 15 minutes, but here we go again. > > Over 1/3rd of the bible is prophecy. Its what separates it from all other books ever written. > The sad thing is the heathen today have secular proof that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. But today they all have been led to believe that the total opposite is true, and they never bother to TRULY look for themselves. I was guilty of this too for almost all my life. > > The Bible is the only book ever written that foretold PRECISELY the events of the world Kingdoms and events to come. This is what separates the Bible from any other book in the history of mankind, just from a secular point of view. > > 1. The Bible prophecies to us that the Medes and Cyrus The Great would overtake Babylon 150+ years before he was even born. It even NAMES Cyrus 150 years before he is even born. (Isaiah 45) Deutero-Isaiah, (chapters 40 -55), was written about the time that Cyrus was letting Ezra and Nehemiah go back to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple. > [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > 1. The Bible prophecies the King of Greece (Alexander the Great) would overtake this Mede/Persian empire and build an even larger Word Empire. (Daniel 8) > > 2. The Bible prophecies that Alexander would die at the peak of his powers and his Word Kingdom would be split into 4 parts. (Daniel 8) > > 3. the Bible prophesied the details and wars that followed for centuries between the northern Kingdoms (north from Israel) and southern Kingdom of the Ptolemy’s following Alexanders death. (Daniel 11) Daniel was written near the end of the Maccabaean war, when Alexander had been dead for years and the Jews had just thrown off the Seleucid domination. > [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > 1. The Bible prophecies specifically that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2) and would be beaten and crucified 1000 years before he was even born. 800 years before crucifixion even existed. (Psalm 22) We are even told that Jesus would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver 400+ years before His birth (Zech 11:12-13) Alternatively, the various Gospel authors made claims about Jesus that were consistent with verses they found in Micah and Zechariah (to say nothing of Psalm 22). > [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > 1. The Bible also prophecies much more detail on Jesus centuries before His birth, that He would be the seed of a woman, the line of Shem, the line of Abraham, the line of Issac, the line of Jacob, from the tribe of Judah, Family of Jesse and the House of King David. ALL proven true in Christs time. The Jews kept EXACT lineages and Christs was kept intact before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. [http://web.ccbce.com/multimedia/BLB/faq/nbi/234.html](http://web.ccbce.com/multimedia/BLB/faq/nbi/234.html) Where is the evidence that Jews kept “EXACT lineages” anywhere? Saying it does not make it true. You do not have to provide a ciatation to any actual genealogies, (_conveniently_ destroyed in 70), just a reference to a work from the first century noting that the people were actually keeping such records–records not mentioned by Josephus, Philo, or any other Jewish author of the period or kept among the Jews of Babylon or Alexandria who were not affected by the Jewish revolt that ended in 70. > [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > 1. Daniel even pinpoints the exact number of years between the decree to rebuild the temple and the coming of the Messiah. Secular history PROVES this was right on the money. (Daniel 9:25) Many secularist have been converted after examining this single prophecy. Odd secularists to be persuaded by verses written after the events occurred. As noted, Daniel was not written until after the Maccabaean wars. > [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > 1. The bible tells us Israel would be destroyed (Daniel 9:28) and the Jews would be scattered ALL across the face of the earth (Ezekiel 37 + Virtually every other prophet in the OT), and they they would return in 1948. A prophecy TO THE YEAR given 2500+ years ago. AND IT CAME TRUE IN 1948, JUST AS PROPHESIED. (Lev 26:18-24) & (Ezek 4:4-7) [http://www.grantjeffrey.com/pdf/JeffBIBL...ision2.pdf](http://www.grantjeffrey.com/pdf/JeffBIBL...ision2.pdf) The is no verse Daniel 9:28. Ezekiel’s claims for the return of the people is in regard to the end of the Babylonian Captivity, not the Roman enforced diaspora. > [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > 1. One of the MULTIPLE key details included in Israels return was the nation returning under ONE KING, and never again being divided into 2 kingdoms as they typically were in ancient times. Netanyaho is the ONLY KING of Israel today. (Ezek 37:15-22) Are you one of the odd people who wants to make Netanyahu king? That does not speak well of you. (And, of course, if you are going for symbolism, Netanyahu has been preceded by a rather long list of Prime Ministers.) Your claims are not persuasive, (and the invention of a verse “Daniel 9:28” means that you are not actually reading the book that you have scorned others for not reading). ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/66 "2016-03-09T21:28:41Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Bible code? :eek: Plain English. And its not very complicated at all. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/67 "2016-03-09T21:31:13Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Once again, you are discussing thing you never bothered to look into to. > > The Jews had to reject Jesus to fulfill prophecy, > > Otherwise the Gentiles could never be saved, and all of mankind would never have been redeemed for their sins. The Messiah had to be rejected, and put to death for all mans sins. > > Its impossible for you to discuss this if you don’t even understand the most basic points of Christianity. If they accept him they as saved, and if they reject him that proves he is the real thing? Tell me-since he doesn’t have to fulfill any of the _actual_ prophesies set down in the Old Testament(see link in post #41), what _would_ be a way to show that he didn’t qualify for thye job? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/68 "2016-03-09T21:33:59Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Plain English. > > And its not very complicated at all. Neither is the number [42](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_%28number%29#Hitchhiker.27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy). ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/69 "2016-03-09T21:35:12Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > The is no verse Daniel 9:28. > Ezekiel’s claims for the return of the people is in regard to the end of the Babylonian Captivity, not the Roman enforced diaspora. The verse is Daniel 9:27 lol Which prophecies in Ezekiel are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/70 "2016-03-09T21:39:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If they accept him they as saved, and if they reject him that proves he is the real thing? Tell me-since he doesn’t have to fulfill any of the _actual_ prophesies set down in the Old Testament(see link in post #41), what _would_ be a way to show that he didn’t qualify for thye job? This doesn’t even make any sense, He fulfilled almost ALL the prophecies, from his birthplace, to his crucifixion, to his resurrection Prophecy scholars have identified over 350 specific prophecies Jesus alone fulfilled. You haven’t even read them. So stop trying to argue about them. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/71 "2016-03-09T21:40:41Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > This doesn’t even make any sense, He fulfilled almost ALL the prophecies, from his birthplace, to his crucifixion, to his resurrection > > Prophecy scholars have identified over 350 specific prophecies Jesus alone fulfilled. > > You haven’t even read them. So stop trying to argue about them. Did you go to the link I gave you, that showed all the ways Jesus fails to qualify for the job? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/72 "2016-03-09T21:43:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Did you go to the link I gave you, that showed all the ways Jesus fails to qualify for the job? I can’t understand how he wouldn’t: > [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Amazing. People won’t even give it an honest look. ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/73 "2016-03-09T21:43:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Did you go to the link I gave you, that showed all the ways Jesus fails to qualify for the job? I didn’t see a single one not clearly addressed in the OT and NT scriptures. You didn’t either or you would have been more specific. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/74 "2016-03-09T21:45:27Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > The verse is Daniel 9:27 > > lol Which prophecies in Ezekiel are you referring to? ignore them **Lionheartlamb** for they know not what they do when they mock you. I know well the following verse > [@](#): > > 1. Leviticus 24:16 > Whoever utters the name of the Lord must be put to death. The whole community must stone him, whether alien or native. If he utters the name, he must be put to death. And Lo, I witnessed for myself this very thing occurring. A true prophesy indeed. Sure the man was only thanking the lord for a nice piece of grilled fish and the person officiating was less than competent… and some of those taking part had no real business being there but still…rules are rules. IT HAPPENED, I SAW IT! ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/75 "2016-03-09T21:48:23Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > ignore them **Lionheartlamb** for they know not what they do when they mock you. > > I know well the following verse > > And Lo, I witnessed for myself this very thing occurring. A true prophesy indeed. Sure the man was only thanking the lord for a nice piece of grilled fish and the person officiating was less than competent… and some of those taking part had no real business being there but still…rules are rules. IT HAPPENED, I SAW IT! Are you even aware that no Christian is under OT Law and never has been the last 2000 years? Hebrew Laws in the books of Moses do not and never have applied to Christians. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/76 "2016-03-09T21:49:07Z")
> [@Lionheartlamb](#): > > Were are the other 350+ prophecies predicting your birth, birthplace, life, ministry, betrayal, crucifixion, burial, and resurrection? I don’t think I’d have much trouble finding them, if I’m allowed to use your rules. For example, I have a loaf of bread in my house. Bethlehem, translated, is “House of Bread.” That’s just spooky. Not only that, but serpents strike at my heel, and I try to bash them in the head. And during the EXACT years of my life, there have been wars and rumors of wars. And earthquakes. And even periods when the sun goes dark in the middle of the day. But seriously, you keep dodging the question that everyone is asking you: If Jesus was the Messiah, why didn’t he become King of Israel? Why didn’t he drive the Romans out? It’s no good to say the Jews weren’t supposed to accept him, because they had no reason to accept him. The Bible doesn’t say that the Messiah is going to cast out demons (which seemed to be very thick on the ground back then), it says he’s going to be a victorious general and king. As for your 1948 thing, I admit it’s ingenious, but again, nothing else that was supposed to happen actually did happen in 1948, or in the following two full generations since then. Israel is still divided; it can’t even get the US to recognize Jerusalem as its capital. It has no king, and you would be well advised to stop saying Netanyahu is a king. There has been no Satan unleashed, no worldwide catastrophes, no final battle, and no Second Coming. So all you’re left with is a bunch of post-dated prophecies that are still mostly wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Melaradark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Melaradark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melaradark)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/77 "2016-03-09T21:51:13Z")
> [@](#): > > “The Bible prophecies to us that the Medes and Cyrus The Great would overtake Babylon 150+ years before he was even born. It even NAMES Cyrus 150 years before he is even born. (Isaiah 45)” If this is your claim, then you need to demonstrate first that Isaiah really wrote this, and second, that someone else didn’t add them in after the fact. Quite a lot of the prophecies of the bible have been shown to have been written or edited years, decades, or even centuries after the fact to make them seem prophetic. > [@](#): > > “The Bible prophecies the King of Greece (Alexander the Great) would overtake this Mede/Persian empire and build an even larger Word Empire. (Daniel 8)” And your other quotes regarding Daniel: Daniel was as well written after the fact, and you missed the fact he prophesied that this last World Empire would fall and be the last to fall before the second Coming of Christ. The antichrist figure who persecutes Jews, who Daniel predicts God will overthrow is Antiochus Ephiphanes, who ruled the fourth empire. Daniel is describing the events of Antiochus Epiphanes and the Maccabean revolt, and he wrote about them after the fact. Even if you were to accept the ‘modern’ idea that the Four Kingdoms here were actually Babylonia, Persia, Greece and Rome that would mean the Roman Empire was to be the last empire before Jesus’ second coming. Which didn’t happen. There have been several empires after the fall of Rome. > [@](#): > > “The Bible prophecies specifically that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem-“ Ehn. Hang on. The bible prophecies that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Micah doesn’t mention Jesus but merely Bethlehem Ephrathah. Only one gospel goes out of its way to insist that Jesus was born in Bethlehem- Matthew. And Matthew includes things we know didn’t actually happen to make it seem as if Jesus were the Messiah and born in Bethlehem instead of his native land. That huge taxation that directed people to leave their homes and travel to the lands of their ancestors to be censused and taxed? Never happened. And it’s nonsensical on its head. There is no need to make people travel in that manner to be censused OR taxed. And why would Joseph go to the land of an ancestor that had died a thousand years before? If you were told to go to the land of an ancestor to be taxed, would you pick one that had died a millennia ago? Not to mention, that would make _Joseph_ a descendant of David- not Jesus. The only way the Messiah could be Jesus AND a descendant of David would be if MARY was the descendant of David- and if that were so, they wouldn’t have gone to MARY’S ancestor’s city to be taxed, they’d have gone to Joseph’s, and so Jesus wouldn’t have been born in Bethlehem ANYWAY. The Old Testament has certain predictions about the Messiah. Parts of the New Testament were written after the fact to make Jesus and his life fit the predictions of the Messiah. This is not prophecy, but careful and purposeful manipulation. > [@](#): > > “We are even told that Jesus would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver 400+ years before His birth.” Again, the stories of Jesus’ life were manipulated to fit after the fact. Secondly, the bible contradicts itself repeatedly on these points. How did Judas die? What happened to the 30 pieces of silver? Who bought Potter’s Field? Was it purchased before or after Judas died? > [@](#): > > “ALL proven true in Christs time.” No. Not even _proven_ true now. They were manipulated after the fact by ONE gospel to make them fit. Have you read all four gospels? Do you know how much they contradict each other? > [@](#): > > “The Jews kept EXACT lineages-“ So, which lineage can Jesus trace to David? His mother, or Joseph? > [@](#): > > “The bible tells us Israel would be destroyed and the Jews would be scattered all across the face of the Earth.” This was happening concurrent to when it was written. > [@](#): > > “And that they would return in 1948.” The bible literally says this nowhere. Nowhere is a date given, let alone one so specific. And the Jews didn’t return in 1948. They were there quite a long time by then. Modern Jewish migrations back into Israel commenced in 1882. It was declared a Jewish STATE once again in 1948, but that’s not the same thing you’re claiming. > [@](#): > > “A prophecy TO THE YEAR given 2500+ years ago.” 1- The New Testament and the bible as you know it didn’t exist 2500+ years ago. It isn’t even 2000 years old. 2- Please quote the exact prophecy where it was said, ‘to the year’ in your own words, that the Jews would return in 1948? 3- The Jews had ALREADY returned to Israel a second time, 500 years BEFORE Christ was born. Ezra brought the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi back to Israel in 536 BC. So there have already been two regatherings of the Jews in Israel. There is no prediction in the bible of a third. > [@](#): > > “Most key prophecies are things you simply can’t deny.” Yet, pretty much every prophecy in the bible can be denied, as either having been written after the fact, or having been manipulated, or having never come about. > [@](#): > > “You can’t deny that Jesus was born in Bethlehem-“ Actually, you can. Especially given that the pivotal event that forced Joseph and Mary to go to Bethlehem so that Jesus could be born there historically never happened AND makes no logistical or genetic sense. > [@](#): > > “All accepted as fact today by the whole world.” Emphatically and completely incorrect. > [@](#): > > “But the fact is the OT was collated, translated, and on record well before Christ was ever born.” It was called the Torah, and it existed as nothing more than records of the Jews, sacred to the Jews. In fact, the original Christian Churches wanted nothing to do with the OT. > [@](#): > > “Including the DEAD SEA SCROLLS. Which contained almost every book of the OT.” Yes, and? Jesus isn’t mentioned in the OT. That another copy of several books of the Torah (and others that weren’t included in that or in the OT, as well as yet others that WERE once included in the OT but were later removed) existed in a different place concurrently with the first copies of the books of the Torah does nothing to prove the NT or anything about Jesus. > [@](#): > > “So secular science has PROVEN these prophecies predate Jesus by centuries.” The writings in the Torah outlining the coming of the Messiah predate Jesus, yes. The fact remains that events in Jesus’ life were manipulated after He died to FIT those prior prophecies. He was literally tailor made to fit the prophecies of the Messiah. That is not prophecy being fulfilled as true prophecy, but it being ‘fulfilled’ as a result of careful planning after the fact. > [@](#): > > “Tyre was also destroyed.” Incorrect. The prophecy said that Tyre had to be completely destroyed, wiped off the face of the map, every person within her killed, never rebuilt and ‘never found again’. Tyre WASN’T completely destroyed. It was attacked, and devastated, but not destroyed. It was not wiped off the face of the map. It WAS rebuilt, we know where it was because it’s standing there today, and there are people who live there whose ancestors have lived there predating this event happening. > [@](#): > > “The original city was destroyed and is still in ruins and underwater.” Not correct, but it does bring up an interesting note. If that’s true, and you clearly know then where the ruins are, the prophecy is still wrong isn’t it? Because it specifically says, and I quote: “I will bring you to a horrible end and you will be no more. You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign Lord.” Yet, we know where it is. What ruins remain have been found, and the town has actually been rebuilt, contradicting the bit of the prophecy that says ‘You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord.’ ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/78 "2016-03-09T21:55:20Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > I don’t think I’d have much trouble finding them, if I’m allowed to use your rules. For example, I have a loaf of bread in my house. Bethlehem, translated, is “House of Bread.” That’s just spooky. > > Not only that, but serpents strike at my heel, and I try to bash them in the head. And during the EXACT years of my life, there have been wars and rumors of wars. And earthquakes. And even periods when the sun goes dark in the middle of the day. > > But seriously, you keep dodging the question that everyone is asking you: If Jesus was the Messiah, why didn’t he become King of Israel? Why didn’t he drive the Romans out? It’s no good to say the Jews weren’t supposed to accept him, because they had no reason to accept him. The Bible doesn’t say that the Messiah is going to cast out demons (which seemed to be very thick on the ground back then), it says he’s going to be a victorious general and king. Because He was supposed to be crucified and die for all mankind sins FIRST. That is what is written in the scriptures. Its like asking why did the egg not hatch? Because the chicken hasn’t even laid the egg yet. Let her lay the egg, then it will hatch. Read Psalms 22 and Isaiah 53, The Anointed Messiah had to be put to death for all sin FIRST. Read Isaiah 49, see how its all laid out before hand. Jesus was to be the light to the GENTILES. ---
**Author:** ![Melaradark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Melaradark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melaradark)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/79 "2016-03-09T21:57:14Z")
> [@](#): > > “Because He was supposed to be crucified and die for all mankinds sins FIRST.” Why? > [@](#): > > “That is what is written in the scriptures.” So the bible is true because the bible says it’s true? ---
**Author:** ![Lionheartlamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Lionheartlamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionheartlamb)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460/80 "2016-03-09T21:57:18Z")
Isaiah 53 Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? 2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him. 3 He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. 4 Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted. 5 **But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.** 6 \*\*All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. \*\* 7 \*\*He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, And as a sheep before its shearers is silent, So He opened not His mouth. 8 \*\* He was taken from prison and from judgment, And who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; For the transgressions of My people He was stricken. 9 **And they[a] made His grave with the wicked— But with the rich at His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was any deceit in His mouth.** 10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. **When You make His soul an offering for sin,** He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand. 11 He shall see the labor of His soul,\*\* and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, **Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-prophecy/748460.md?page=5)