# Bible thumper responds to video by atheist girl **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 1, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999 "2011-03-01T00:47:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/61 "2011-03-11T12:10:42Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > That guy is a fucking idiot. It doesn’t actually contain much of any substance, and it’s hard to know exactly what he’s trying to rebut without seeing the youtube video, but taking a few points: > > The Bible does endorse slavery as long as the slave isn’t a Jew. ndentured servitude was one form of slavery, but not the only one. The status and conditions of slaves in the ancient world ran a wide gamut from some slaves who were treated very well, and held trusted, honored positions in household to simple chattel laborors and sex slaves. The Bible treats them as property, and treats the murder of other people’s slaves as property crimes. Paul tells slaves to “obey their masters.” Some passages of the OT have God ordering the Israelites to take conquered women as sex slaves. The Bible contains no condemnation of slavery or recognition of any immorality to it. Most of it was involuntary, despite this guy’s attempt to gloss it as some sort of summer job. > > I don’t know what he was responding to when mentioning Moses, but it’s true there is a fundy tradition that Moses wrote the Torah. It’s completely spurious, though. > I suppose this is the passage he’s talking about from Matthew: > _"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it. > (Mt. 10:34-39)_ > > There’s also this parallel passage in Luke: > > _Now there went with him great multitudes: and he turned, and said unto them, “If any man cometh unto me, and hateth not his own father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” > (Lk. 14:25-26)_ > > What it means is a matter of interpretation and open debate, but it’s hard to support this guy saying it’s merely a warning about persecution when Jesus is quoted as say, _anyone_ whoes not _hate_ father, nother, siblings wife and kids can’t be his disciple. > > This guy seems like a very bitter and hostile individual. the name calling and warnings about Satan do not really merit any response and kind of speak for themselves as to his credibility (as does his liberal use of all-caps). Paul in his writings also tell slaves to obey their masters! ---
**Author:** ![humanafterall](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/humanafterall/32/19654_2.png) [@humanafterall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humanafterall)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/62 "2011-03-11T16:26:04Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > That is funny. > > Funny because it’s ironic. How so? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/63 "2011-03-11T16:33:09Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > How so? Because Freemasonry, by philosophy, is a woo-filled deist boys’ club who thinks they are more enlightened than the rest of the world simply because they believe in a more friendly, cosmopolitan woo. In action, this means that the Masons are nice guys. Philosophically, mythical crap is mythical crap. ---
**Author:** ![humanafterall](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/humanafterall/32/19654_2.png) [@humanafterall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humanafterall)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/64 "2011-03-11T16:43:21Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Because Freemasonry, by philosophy, is a woo-filled deist boys’ club who thinks they are more enlightened than the rest of the world simply because they believe in a more friendly, cosmopolitan woo. In action, this means that the Masons are nice guys. Philosophically, mythical crap is mythical crap. So you don’t believe we are anything more or less than a club? Okay, that is perfectly understandable. you have your view, I have mine. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/65 "2011-03-11T16:44:46Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > So you don’t believe we are anything more or less than a club? Okay, that is perfectly understandable. you have your view, I have mine. :shrug: ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/66 "2011-03-11T16:45:06Z")
I’ve read How the Grinch Stole Christmas 6 times, and you must trust me on this, THERE ARE WHOS IN WHO-VILLE. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/67 "2011-03-11T16:50:28Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > So you don’t believe we are anything more or less than a club? Okay, that is perfectly understandable. you have your view, I have mine. I thought the first rule of fight club was “don’t talk about fight club.” That is to say, my dad was a Mason, but all I ever learned about it was from the ring and the little initiation certificate or whatever it was. Maybe it was because he tended to eschew woo, and had grown disenchanted by the time I came along. I’ll never know, because he never said anything about it. ---
**Author:** ![humanafterall](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/humanafterall/32/19654_2.png) [@humanafterall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humanafterall)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/68 "2011-03-11T16:51:21Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > I’ve read How the Grinch Stole Christmas 6 times, and you must trust me on this, THERE ARE WHOS IN WHO-VILLE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! excellent! ---
**Author:** ![humanafterall](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/humanafterall/32/19654_2.png) [@humanafterall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humanafterall)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/69 "2011-03-11T16:55:10Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I thought the first rule of fight club was “don’t talk about fight club.” > > That is to say, my dad was a Mason, but all I ever learned about it was from the ring and the little initiation certificate or whatever it was. Maybe it was because he tended to eschew woo, and had grown disenchanted by the time I came along. > > I’ll never know, because he never said anything about it. Well, I am permitted to discuss the symbolism of out order, since the symbols aren’t secret, but things like modes of recognition, motions, and words MUST be kept secret. Think we’re the only ones with secrets? The Catholic Church has secrets, especially when they elect a new Pope. During the Conclave, The College of Cardinals are locked in the Sistine Chapel, and nobody know what goes on in there, all we know is that when they walk out, one of them is the new Pope. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/70 "2011-03-11T16:58:50Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > Well, I am permitted to discuss the symbolism of out order, since the symbols aren’t secret, but things like modes of recognition, motions, and words MUST be kept secret. Think we’re the only ones with secrets? The Catholic Church has secrets, especially when they elect a new Pope. During the Conclave, The College of Cardinals are locked in the Sistine Chapel, and nobody know what goes on in there, all we know is that when they walk out, one of them is the new Pope. I don’t think anyone was saying the Masons are the only sooper sekrit club. Just the one with the most fezzes. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/71 "2011-03-11T17:00:35Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > the funny part is that generally we are not permitted to initiate madmen, atheist, or fools Don’t those three subsets form a partition? ---
**Author:** ![humanafterall](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/humanafterall/32/19654_2.png) [@humanafterall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humanafterall)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/72 "2011-03-11T17:06:24Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > I don’t think anyone was saying the Masons are the only sooper sekrit club. Just the one with the most fezzes. Well, the fez _does_ make me appear rather fetching… ---
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/73 "2011-03-11T17:23:32Z")
Enough with this book already, It ludicrous to take that book seriously. This brother figure seem like a real jerkoff-artist. Ask him about Noahs Ark, that is a good test to see what caliber of an idiot he is. But you should probably stay away from the poor sod. Humanafterall: you seem awfully proud to be a mason, why? ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/74 "2011-03-11T17:29:04Z")
The whole thing is absurd. From the Christian perspective, you could read the Bible a million times and not get it. The Bible is the inspired word of God and you can only “get it” through faith. If the Holy Spirit isn’t in your “heart”, all the reading in the world isn’t going to get you there. Even if you somehow achieved “complete” historical context, you still don’t “understand” the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![humanafterall](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/humanafterall/32/19654_2.png) [@humanafterall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humanafterall)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/75 "2011-03-11T17:36:50Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > Humanafterall: you seem awfully proud to be a mason, why? Well, for me, it’s part family tradition, because my grandfather wanted it for me, and part because I wanted to be a part of something. that old human instinct to belong to something, you know? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/76 "2011-03-11T17:39:15Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > Well, for me, it’s part family tradition, because my grandfather wanted it for me, and part because I wanted to be a part of something. that old human instinct to belong to something, you know? That’s precisely the reason I refused when I was asked to attend by my father-in-law. I don’t like groupthink, I’m not a joiner, and human clannishness is destructive. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/77 "2011-03-11T17:47:08Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > Humanafterall: you seem awfully proud to be a mason, why? I gather it carries a high “I know somethng you don’t know” quotient. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/78 "2011-03-11T17:50:13Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > I don’t think anyone was saying the Masons are the only sooper sekrit club. Just the one with the most fezzes. I don’t recognize his name, but his … fez is familiar. Ripped off from Austin Powers. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/79 "2011-03-11T17:51:38Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I don’t recognize his name, but his … fez is familiar. > > Ripped off from Austin Powers. Hell, I remember reading that in a children’s joke book 20 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999/80 "2011-03-11T17:59:49Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Hell, I remember reading that in a children’s joke book 20 years ago. I can only account for the source that _I_ ripped it from. I wasn’t reading children’s joke books 20 years ago. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bible-thumper-responds-to-video-by-atheist-girl/572999.md?page=5)