# Bibleman? The Holy Spirit wants me to tell you: you're a mealymouthed lying troll... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 31, 2006, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660 "2006-10-31T23:36:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/21 "2006-11-01T06:16:56Z")
Excellent pitting, if a bit too nice for what BM (the abbreviation is quite well chosen) deserves. I’ve given up, now that the conversation has moved to how many angels dance on the end of a pin, but to save you the pain of reading his posts, let’s just say BM is stupid even for a creationist. ---
**Author:** ![Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambi_Hassenpfeffer)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/22 "2006-11-01T07:21:54Z")
When I read the title, I just wondered how you got onto [Bibleman](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibleman). I mean, I agree that Willie Aames is a giant douche, but I couldn’t see how he’d bothered you so personally. Now I just have to say, even as someone who often (quietly) disagrees with you: Good Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/23 "2006-11-01T07:46:44Z")
> [@](#): > > …we shouldn’t be subjected to smarmy idiots who deliberately spread lies… …Or reasonably intelligent liars either. That’s one of the few reasons that I would support banning someone. Excellent pitting. You are gifted. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/24 "2006-11-01T07:55:42Z")
[QUOTE=FinnAgain] I wish I had a witty response to that **ETF**. Instead… all I can do is notice all the errors I made in my OP. That’ll teach me to post when I’m still pissed off. Hmmm… no, still got nothing. You win the internet. [/QUOTE] :dubious: Don’t tell me you never read _The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy_? [Zaphod](http://openwiki.com/ow.asp?ZaphodBeeblebrox), say it ain’t so! ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/25 "2006-11-01T12:23:53Z")
[QUOTE=FinnAgain] . Now, what would be a good for to describe someone who is a liar in the service of advancing false claims and fighting with people? [/QUOTE] Mr President? /hijack Great pitting. ---
**Author:** ![RTA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@RTA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTA)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/26 "2006-11-01T13:35:25Z")
Great Debates is the designated area for witnessing, and it is up to those with the energy to do so to contradict religiosity with fact. I don’t know why one would want to waste their time doing so but there it is. ---
**Author:** ![Subway\_Prophet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Subway\_Prophet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subway_Prophet)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/27 "2006-11-01T13:42:58Z")
[QUOTE=furt] The board would be a better place with both BM and Badchad put together in the same sack and tossed into the sea. [/QUOTE] By which you imply, of course, that they are in fact not the same person. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/28 "2006-11-01T13:44:34Z")
[QUOTE=FinnAgain] I wish I had a witty response to that **ETF** [/QUOTE] How about “Not when I’m thinking about you, sweetheart”? ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/29 "2006-11-01T13:58:40Z")
[BibleMan](http://www.bibleman.com/)? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/30 "2006-11-01T14:11:07Z")
[QUOTE=Voyager] Excellent pitting, if a bit too nice for what BM [/quote] Danke, though I’m not sure how much meaner I could’ve made it. > [@Bambi Hassenpfeffer](#): > > Now I just have to say, even as someone who often (quietly) disagrees with you: Good Pit. Thanks very much. And don’t worry about disagreeing with me. Nobody’s perfect. 😉 > [@Zoe](#): > > Excellent pitting. You are gifted. Awwwww shucks ma’am. Tweren’t nuthin’ ~kicks dirt~ > [@tagos](#): > > Great pitting. Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it. > [@RTA](#): > > Great Debates is the designated area for witnessing, and it is up to those with the energy to do so to contradict religiosity with fact. I don’t know why one would want to waste their time doing so but there it is. Well, I do grok that. And although some forms of witnessing certainly get my dander up, most of them wouldn’t earn a response let alone a Pit thread. What really got my goat, though, was the dishonesty and the trolling. Witnessing is one thing, this crap was quite another. YMMV. > [@contrapuntal](#): > > How about “Not when I’m thinking about you, sweetheart”? Yes, I like it. Let’s pretend I said that. > [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Don’t tell me you never read The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy? I did, but I was probably 12 years old. I remember the vague outlines but not the specifics. Thanks for refreshing my memory, though. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/31 "2006-11-01T14:22:19Z")
[QUOTE=furt] The board would be a better place with both BM and Badchad put together in the same sack and tossed into the sea. [/QUOTE] Reminds me of a famous non-limerick: _There once were two cats of Kilkenny: Each thought there was one cat too many - So they fought and they fit And they scratched and they bit 'Til, excepting their nails And the tips of their tails, Instead of two cats, there weren’t any._ ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/32 "2006-11-01T14:24:06Z")
To be fair, tho, the Serpent/Satan/Lucifer thing is a matter of interpretation. What is the traditional Jewish view of the Serpent’s relationship with Satan? I know that both Paul & John the Revelator equate them. Now, I know that Isaiah 14’s “Heylel” (“Lucifer” is the Latin translation given to us by Jerome) is generally considered to be whoever the Babylonian King contemporary with I Isaiah, but the description does seem to go beyond a natural man, just as Ezekiel 28’s lament against the King of Tyre. None of this negates Bible man’s overreaching arrogance. ---
**Author:** ![Autumn\_Almanac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@Autumn\_Almanac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autumn_Almanac)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/33 "2006-11-01T14:33:20Z")
Stop being so glib! _You_ don’t know the history of the sun. Bible believers do! ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/34 "2006-11-01T14:33:36Z")
[QUOTE=FriarTed] None of this negates Bible man’s overreaching arrogance. [/QUOTE] Speaking of overreaching arrogance I don’t think he ever expressed a desire to see non-believers piss their pants on the day of judgement. Arrogance indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/35 "2006-11-01T14:39:23Z")
You guys leave Willie Aames alone! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/36 "2006-11-01T14:49:10Z")
[QUOTE=FriarTed] What is the traditional Jewish view of the Serpent’s relationship with Satan? [/quote] Ha’Satan really hasn’t ever been a big part in Jewish theology, save, perhaps, during the Babylonian exile. At no point in all my religious studies as a teen did the rabbis ever mention that the snake was really any form of demon. Never in any of my conversations with rabbis of any sect have I heard any hint of demonic influence. There was, of course, a time when Babylonian/Persian myths influenced Jewish thinking, but it wasn’t the case when Genesis was written, nor in later eras. Sometimes a snake is just a snake 😉 As for Isaiah, it’s generally taken to be representative of Babylonian culture and mythology creeping into traditional Jewish beliefs, as well. And the traditional interpretation is that he’s talking about the Babylonian king and using “prophetic” tropes. [QUOTE=FriarTed] None of this negates Bible man’s overreaching arrogance. [/QUOTE] If he could at least be consistent that would be one thing. That he is dishonest and obfuscatory in his arrogance is quite another. IMO. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/37 "2006-11-01T15:37:14Z")
Very impressive pitting **Finn** , one of the best I have seen. Makes me glad, I largely stay away from religious debates. Are we allowed to start a pool on the day Bibleman finally gets himself banned? I guess that is really an ATMB question. Jim ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/38 "2006-11-01T15:40:18Z")
Hi Jim! I got nothing, just wanted to say “Hi”… ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/39 "2006-11-01T17:14:42Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] Very impressive pitting **Finn** , one of the best I have seen. [/quote] Thanks much. The last handfull of Pittings I’ve started seem to have gone off well. I must be doing something right. [QUOTE=What Exit?] Are we allowed to start a pool on the day Bibleman finally gets himself banned? I guess that is really an ATMB question. [/QUOTE] That does seem like a good pool to get in on… I’d wager some time in the next six months, but I don’t know for sure. He seems too dumb to refrain from crossing the line yet again. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660/40 "2006-11-01T17:32:47Z")
[QUOTE=FinnAgain] Sometimes a snake is just a snake 😉 [/QUOTE] _Ooooooh, it’s a snaaaake._ ::\*\*D&R:: A quality rant, btw. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bibleman-the-holy-spirit-wants-me-to-tell-you-youre-a-mealymouthed-lying-troll/378660.md?page=3)