# "Biblical" Marrages? are people really okay with this? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 24, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926 "2011-08-24T17:56:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/121 "2011-08-25T16:21:22Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > What a load of bullshit. According to my “observations”, the most “promiscuous” (or, for a less sexist term, “liberated”) girls in high school were the ones from 2-parent devoutly Christian families. So I guess my observations cancel yours out. No, I am afraid they don’t, because your observations are wrong and his are correct. [Girls in one-parent families are twice as likely to have an out-of-wedlock birth.](http://jkalb.freeshell.org/rants/illegitimacy.html) Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/122 "2011-08-25T16:24:23Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > [This is for Brazil84](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14181950#post14181950) And with that, this thread is to continue without personal remarks about **brazil84** , anyone advocating on his behalf, or the posters criticizing him. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/123 "2011-08-25T16:25:49Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, I am afraid they don’t, because your observations are wrong and his are correct. > > [Girls in one-parent families are twice as likely to have > an out-of-wedlock birth.](http://jkalb.freeshell.org/rants/illegitimacy.html) Out of wedlock births does not correspond to promiscuity. You’re equating them and they aren’t the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Bloodless\_Turnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@Bloodless\_Turnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bloodless_Turnip)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/124 "2011-08-25T16:32:54Z")
I’ve noted that men in these “biblical” type marriages complain the most about large alimony settlements handed out by family courts. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/125 "2011-08-25T16:33:58Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Out of wedlock births does not correspond to promiscuity. You’re equating them and they aren’t the same thing. Besides which, there’s nothing in there that equates out-of-wedlock births to be the result of the fact that the family is “female-led”, which was the claim. That kind of sexism is entirely absent from the findings. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/126 "2011-08-25T16:36:46Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Besides which, there’s nothing in there that equates out-of-wedlock births to be the result of the fact that the family is “female-led”, which was the claim. That kind of sexism is entirely absent from the findings. Well, if it’s a single parent family, and the single parent is the mum, it is logically a “female-led” family. That said I have never witnessed what is a family led by only one of the parents, but I was born into the XXth century, not the XIXth. Might explain that. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/127 "2011-08-25T16:39:34Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Well, if it’s a single parent family, and the single parent is the mum, it is logically a “female-led” family. That said I have never witnessed what is a family led by only one of the parents, but I was born into the XXth century, not the XIXth. Might explain that. Yes, but it says nothing about out-of-wedlock births being the result of anything to do with the gender of the single parent, and I’d bet money there’s no correlation. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/128 "2011-08-25T16:40:01Z")
Getting back to the OP, I do think the guy seems like a jerk because the wife may have signed on for the husband acting this way, but his guests didn’t sign on for the spaghetti incident. Besides, isn’t being a good biblical host all about letting your guest eat plenty of food/wine? (And also not sodomizing them after they go to bed.) ---
**Author:** ![Bloodless\_Turnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@Bloodless\_Turnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bloodless_Turnip)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/129 "2011-08-25T16:42:01Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Well, if it’s a single parent family, and the single parent is the mum, it is logically a “female-led” family. That said I have never witnessed what is a family led by only one of the parents, but I was born into the XXth century, not the XIXth. Might explain that. How do we know that the out of wedlock births weren’t a result of the abuse received by the now absent father? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/130 "2011-08-25T16:42:30Z")
I think you’re supposed to let your guests bang your daughters, too. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/131 "2011-08-25T16:43:11Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Out of wedlock births does not correspond to promiscuity. You’re equating them and they aren’t the same thing. I find it more faulty that he’s using single-parent households as a proxy for “female-led” households. As if having a wife be in charge of household decisionmaking is equivalent to there being no father in the home at all. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/132 "2011-08-25T16:44:25Z")
“Out of wedlock births” also includes women who are in committed relationships, but just aren’t legally married. That’s fairly commonplace these days. “Out of wedlock” doesn’t necessarily mean a one parent household. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/133 "2011-08-25T16:51:32Z")
Even without the “Biblical” marriage aspect of it, the husband in the OP sounds like someone who mentally is still sitting in Cheetos-stained Fruit-o-the-Looms in his parent’s basement playing WoW. ---
**Author:** ![Vihaga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Vihaga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vihaga)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/134 "2011-08-25T16:52:16Z")
I think men who subscribe to the fallacy that most women want to be led have a hard time finding the middle ground between being a passive, pushover “nice guy” and a domineering “head of the house.” Because I don’t think most women want a submissive spouse any more than they want a dominant one. However, being an equal, standing up for yourself and also not walking over one’s partner, is much more mentally demanding than rolling over all the time or being overbearing. So, when they note that women aren’t responding to their “nice guy” act, they assume it’s the opposite extreme and completely ignore the third option. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/135 "2011-08-25T16:55:00Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > Even without the “Biblical” marriage aspect of it, the husband in the OP sounds like someone who mentally is still sitting in Cheetos-stained Fruit-o-the-Looms in his parent’s basement playing WoW. Warcraft is the _devil_! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/136 "2011-08-25T17:44:44Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > “Out of wedlock” doesn’t necessarily mean a one parent household. One-parent household, however, does mean one-parent household. [QUOTE=woodstockbirdybird] Besides which, there’s nothing in there that equates out-of-wedlock births to be the result of the fact that the family is “female-led”, which was the claim. [/QUOTE] No, that wasn’t the claim. You said > [@](#): > > …the most “promiscuous” (or, for a less sexist term, “liberated”) girls in high school were the ones from 2-parent devoutly Christian families. [The vast majority of single-parent households are a single mother with her child(ren).](http://www.singleparentcenter.net/single-parent-statistics.html) Children who are raised in single-parent households - not 2-parent families, as you alleged - are twice as likely to have illegitimate children. Therefore, your observation is wrong. Would you like to try to shift the goal posts to something else? Suppose we define “promiscuous” based on age at first intercourse. > [@](#): > > …adolescents living with both biological parents reported a later median age at first intercourse (17.6) than adolescents living in any other family situation (16.2-16.6). No, this was not because of poverty - > [@](#): > > There were no significant differences in the age at first sex according to household income or mother’s education. [Cite.](http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3012198.html) Would you like to define promiscuity by number of sexual partners (or “liberation”, if you prefer)? Women with a non-resident father have greater numbers of sexual partners as well ([cite](http://public.wsu.edu/~rquinlan/Quinlan%20E&HB%2024%286%29.pdf) - pdf). It appears the best you can hope for is to represent your allegations as unfalsifiable and thus meaningless. If you meant anything at all by it, it was wrong. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/137 "2011-08-25T17:49:45Z")
Nah, the preachers daughters just lie about it. And they take it in the pooper so they don’t get pregnant (and they can still say they’re “virgins”). ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/138 "2011-08-25T17:51:24Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Nah, the preachers daughters just lie about it. And they take it in the pooper so they don’t get pregnant (and they can still say they’re “virgins”). Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/139 "2011-08-25T17:52:10Z")
My dick is my cite. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biblical-marrages-are-people-really-okay-with-this/593926/140 "2011-08-25T17:54:32Z")
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