# Biden + Buttigieg? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 26, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118 "2019-06-26T18:48:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/1 "2019-06-26T18:48:33Z")
Wouldn’t Joe Biden and Pete Buttigieg be a great ticket? It would provide both continuity with a well-liked past president and freshness. It would be old + young, top Washington politician + small town mayor, black/blue collar + cosmopolitan appeal, rough + polished. I’m sure there are more ways in which they can be complementary. Warren as Secretary of Health and Human Services with responsibilities for financial and lobbying legislation would be even better. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/2 "2019-06-26T18:51:39Z")
Only if Biden is the VP. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/3 "2019-06-26T19:05:57Z")
It’s fine, I’ll vote for that ticket in the general, but c’mon. We Democrats can do better on the issues and do better on maximizing turnout – and turnout will be key, because the GOP is pretty explicitly committed to preventing Democrats from voting. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/4 "2019-06-26T20:16:04Z")
IMHO Buttigieg would probably not be the best choice for Biden. Other than his being gay, ISTM that Buttigieg doesn’t really appeal to the more liberal Democrats. Anecdotally it also seems to me that some feminists have Buttigieg very low on their list of the Democratic candidates. Based on personal interactions ISTM there is a belief that when he had his bounce back in March that the media should have been paying more attention to some of the lesser known female candidates rather than “fawning over” Buttigieg. I think that if Biden goes with Buttigieg it’s likely that some far left women will stay home. ETA. It’s ironic, but is seems some women, at least WRT Buttigieg, have reached the point where they think bigotry against women is a bigger problem than bigotry against gay men, and that it would be more “progressive” to elect a woman than a gay man. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/5 "2019-06-26T20:16:31Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > Wouldn’t Joe Biden and Pete Buttigieg be a great ticket? Maybe, but it would lose. Kamala Harris or even Amy Klobuchar has to be on any Democratic ticket. Elizabeth Warren, brilliant warrior though she is, would be a Hillary-like target. And would lose. ---
**Author:** ![backsidejohnny](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/backsidejohnny/32/280_2.png) [@backsidejohnny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/backsidejohnny)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/6 "2019-06-26T20:38:37Z")
A gay man is not going to be elected POTUS or VPOTUS in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/7 "2019-06-26T20:43:52Z")
Please god, no! ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/8 "2019-06-26T20:46:12Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > I think that if Biden goes with Buttigieg it’s likely that some far left women will stay home. They’d stay home because they are so much happier with Trump than with Buttigieg? Really? And don’t forget Biden being all handsy with numerous women. I doubt that endears him to feminists. I cannot imagine feminists liking Biden more than most any other democratic candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/9 "2019-06-26T20:47:36Z")
> [@backsidejohnny](#): > > A gay man is not going to be elected POTUS or VPOTUS in 2020. I could see maybe a gay VP but in this case he also has the problem of being very young and his current job as mayor of a smaller city is not that impressive. He is probably a lock as a cabinet member if a Dem wins in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/10 "2019-06-26T21:39:15Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > They’d stay home because they are so much happier with Trump than with Buttigieg? Really? > > And don’t forget Biden being all handsy with numerous women. I doubt that endears him to feminists. I cannot imagine feminists liking Biden more than most any other democratic candidate. That’s kind of my point. Some of them think Biden is not much better than Trump with regards to women, for a number of reasons. Biden going with Buttigieg instead of Harris, Klobuchar, Stacey Abrams, or another woman, could be seen by those voters as Buttigieg being selected due to male privilege. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/11 "2019-06-26T21:54:19Z")
…[this guy](https://www.thedailybeast.com/pete-buttigieg-has-a-black-problem-top-african-american-leaders-say-he-is-naive-on-race) partnered with the guy who [demanded an apology from Cory Booker?](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/06/biden-demands-apology-from-booker-over-segregationist-controversy/) Sure, that will go well. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/12 "2019-06-26T21:56:49Z")
If Biden gets the nom I think his VP will be Julian Castro ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/13 "2019-06-26T23:25:49Z")
I’d rather Warren and Buttigieg, but I’ll vote for whichever democrat gets the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/14 "2019-06-26T23:39:35Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > That’s kind of my point. Some of them think Biden is not much better than Trump with regards to women, for a number of reasons. Biden going with Buttigieg instead of Harris, Klobuchar, Stacey Abrams, or another woman, could be seen by those voters as Buttigieg being selected due to male privilege. > [@KarlGauss](#): > > Maybe, but it would lose. > > Kamala Harris or even Amy Klobuchar has to be on any Democratic ticket. Elizabeth Warren, brilliant warrior though she is, would be a Hillary-like target. And would lose. If there weren’t a woman in the ticket, would female voters stay home for four more years of pussy grabbing? Some people can be awfully difficult to please when they discuss politics on Internet but that doesn’t mean it’s representative of the wider population or that they’d stay on their high horse when it’s time to actually make a decision. In the same way, can someone tell me in which swing state(s) the black vote would be critical? Or is it a general sense that courting black voters is important otherwise they’ll…what? vote Republican? Is it about motivating people to vote? Is there data that suggests that people are little motivated to dump Trump the fuck out of the office he’s been vomiting and shitting all over? > [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > I’d rather Warren and Buttigieg, but I’ll vote for whichever democrat gets the nomination. I like Warren from what I know of her but she’s a wonk which makes her well-suited for a cabinet or adviser post. There’s nothing wrong with being a Kissinger or Albright. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/15 "2019-06-26T23:48:46Z")
I felt the same way about Warren last time, but she’s winning me over. I like that she “has a plan for that.” And Flik, I’m a very liberal woman and Pete is actually my favorite. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/16 "2019-06-26T23:51:48Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > In the same way, can someone tell me in which swing state(s) the black vote would be critical? Or is it a general sense that courting black voters is important otherwise they’ll…what? vote Republican? …wow. 94% of black women who voted voted for Clinton last election. 82% of black men. You’ve got their vote. You know you’ve got their vote. Their lives are literally on the line at the next election. They will vote Democrat no matter who it is you put on the ticket. This isn’t about “maybe they will vote Republican.” This isn’t about whether or not the black vote will be “critical.” This isn’t even really about Mayor Pete or Joe Biden. Its about you taking their vote for granted. Its about giving them some god-damn respect. You would be happy to throw the most loyal Democrat voters under the bus for what you consider “cosmopolitan appeal.” ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/17 "2019-06-26T23:53:21Z")
If the Democratic nominee for president is a white male, the VP nominee will be a woman, most likely a woman of color. No way two white guys can generate the turnout they need to win. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/18 "2019-06-27T00:09:57Z")
A female of color with a track record of being more to his political left: the name Kamala Harris jumps out right away, but he may prefer someone who hasn’t campaigned against him. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/19 "2019-06-27T01:11:07Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > I felt the same way about Warren last time, but she’s winning me over. I like that she “has a plan for that.” > > And Flik, I’m a very liberal woman and Pete is actually my favorite. Hopefully you’re right. Warren + Buttigieg sounds like it would be great too if it succeeds. It’s that last part I’m worried about and where I think Biden would be better. What cunning plan(s) do you think she has for the fact that Trump & Fox will relentlessly compare her to Hilary Clinton, notably by showing side-to-side pictures of them looking nearly identical? How do you think she’s going to handle all the trash that will be thrown at her? How will she convince simpletons who decide based on who they’d like to have a beer with or want a “hip shooter who says it like it is”? If she can handle that then I’m eager to see her rabbits run. However, “if” is the most critical word in the English language. What do you like about Pete? > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …wow. > > 94% of black women who voted voted for Clinton last election. 82% of black men. > > You’ve got their vote. You know you’ve got their vote. Their lives are literally on the line at the next election. They will vote Democrat no matter who it is you put on the ticket. > > This isn’t about “maybe they will vote Republican.” This isn’t about whether or not the black vote will be “critical.” This isn’t even really about Mayor Pete or Joe Biden. > > Its about you taking their vote for granted. Its about giving them some god-damn respect. You would be happy to throw the most loyal Democrat voters under the bus for what you consider “cosmopolitan appeal.” Leadership of the most powerful country in the world isn’t about giving anyone respect, honor, dignity or any of those mushy-headed ambiguous terms. But hey, engaging in grand-standing worked well last time, didn’t it? FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118/20 "2019-06-27T01:39:29Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > Leadership of the most powerful country in the world isn’t about giving anyone respect, honor, dignity or any of those mushy-headed ambiguous terms. …listening to black and marginalised people and understanding what they want from a candidate is not “mushy headed.” > [@](#): > > But hey, engaging in grand-standing worked well last time, didn’t it? Clinton didn’t lose because of “grand-standing.” Listening to the opinions of black people is not “grand-standing.” > [@](#): > > FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! Repeating nonsensical rhetoric does you no favours. Its become increasingly common that people think they’ve figured out the “secret” to winning the next election. The reality though is that it probably won’t come down to the candidate. It will come down to election security, it will come down to voter supression, a few tightly contested electorates. It will come down to who can win the propaganda war. “FOUR MORE YEARS” is not an argument. I personally think that a Biden/Buttigieg would result in a Trump victory: but I’m not yelling in this thread “FOUR MORE YEARS!” as if that means anything. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-buttigieg/836118.md?page=2)