# Biden campaign bus, cars driven by staffers attacked on highway

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [November 1, 2020, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454 "2020-11-01T01:37:54Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\
**Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/101 "2020-11-02T22:34:34Z")

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Ah! Then yes, you are correct.

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**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\
**Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/102 "2020-11-02T22:37:33Z")

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> [@Senegoid](#):
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> If you’re using a mobile device, I’m not sure how you do that except I vaguely recall reading that it’s doable.

Well, please figure out how, because my iPad does not offer a way.

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**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\
**Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/103 "2020-11-02T22:44:03Z")

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> [@k9bfriender](#):
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> Looks like that pickup is doing some pretty serious tailgating.
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> And watching the video, it’s not entirely clear, as the one taking it doesn’t show the whole thing, but **it certainly does show the pickup swerving into the suv, not the other way around.**
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> When the video is first looking at the bus, the SUV is directly behind it. When the video goes back to the bus, the SUV is now pushed to the left, and the Pickup is behind it.
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> I think that the cops are full of shit on this one.

But you must be aware that relativity theory posits that motion is relative. So the pickup swerving at the bus is equivalent to the bus swerving at the pickup. And therefore, the driver of the _bus_ needs to be charged with attempted manslaughter. 😉

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**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\
**Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/104 "2020-11-02T23:03:43Z")

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> [@eschereal](#):
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> Well, please figure out how, because my iPad does not offer a way

Sorry I can’t help because I don’t use, or know how to use, a mobile device. But I’ve seen it described. Can somebody help?

I asked the question earlier regarding how to view the hidden remark that every xkcd post has, and somebody here explained how. But it also depended on the xkcd site being coded in some particular way to make it possible. So does somebody know if it works on this site too?

(Anyhow, IOPBDWDDI means “It’s only punishable by death when Democrats do it!”)

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**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\
**Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/105 "2020-11-02T23:48:39Z")

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Popped in here to say, my sister was visiting Wisconsin and was driving a rental small clown car with Minnesota plates, she got caught in a Trump Train in Madison, Wisconsin. Couldn’t get out of it for about ten minutes.

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**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/106 "2020-11-03T02:44:53Z")

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> **[Trump lashes out after FBI announces investigation of Biden bus incident](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-lashes-out-after-fbi-announces-investigation-biden-bus-incident-n1245728)**
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> "In my opinion, these patriots did nothing wrong," he said in a tweet about supporters who surrounded a Biden campaign bus in Texas.

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**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/107 "2020-11-03T02:57:44Z")

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> [@Senegoid](#):
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> Sorry I can’t help because I don’t use, or know how to use, a mobile device. But I’ve seen it described. Can somebody help?

I can’t make it show on my cell phone.

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/108 "2020-11-03T04:11:12Z")

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> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#):
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> But you must be aware that relativity theory posits that motion is relative. So the pickup swerving at the bus is equivalent to the bus swerving at the pickup. And therefore, the driver of the _bus_ needs to be charged with attempted manslaughter. 😉

Actually, the pickup was caught in the gravitational field of the much larger bus and was being pulled into orbit around it. There was nothing the pickup driver could do.

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**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/109 "2020-11-03T04:30:10Z")

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> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#):
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> But you must be aware that relativity theory posits that motion is relative. So the pickup swerving at the bus is equivalent to the bus swerving at the pickup. And therefore, the driver of the _bus_ needs to be charged with attempted manslaughter.

Not quite. Rather, each vehicle swerved from the point of view of the other’s frame of reference and thus each driver must be charged, as seen from the other’s frame of reference. As for the video (or various videos?) of the interaction, those are taken from the video-maker’s frame of reference relative to the other vehicles (which is different for each of the other vehicles, except that they coincide at the moment of contact), so this must be taken into account. The dents in the vehicles are just Lorentz contractions.

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**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/110 "2020-11-03T04:34:00Z")

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NBC did call it trolling ,in the fishing sense.

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**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/111 "2020-11-03T04:40:29Z")

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@Babale, @eschereal, @needscoffee, and to whomever else it may constern:

[sidetrack, but I hope somebody finds this useful]

I poked around on-line for information on hovering with a mobile device. It looks like it might be doable, if all the right stars align. It depends on your device, your browser, and the design of the web site to make it work.

Try one of these things, which might work for you (and even if it’s workable, who knows if this Discourse platform it coded to support it):

Tap once here.  
If that doesn’t work, try tapping twice.

ETA: Oh, another possible possibility: Try tap-and-hold. I saw a few mentions that this might work for some configurations.

If that doesn’t do anything for you, I’m at a loss, but from what I’m finding on-line, maybe you just can’t do it.

[/sidetrack]

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**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/112 "2020-11-03T04:45:08Z")

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And the smaller vehicles can be thought of as remora.

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**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/113 "2020-11-03T05:11:47Z")

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> [@Senegoid](#):
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> I poked around on-line for information on hovering with a mobile device. It looks like it might be doable, if all the right stars align. It depends on your device, your browser, and the design of the web site to make it work.
> 
> Try one of these things, which might work for you (and even if it’s workable, who knows if this Discourse platform it coded to support it):
> 
> Tap once here.  
> If that doesn’t work, try tapping twice.
> 
> ETA: Oh, another possible possibility: Try tap-and-hold. I saw a few mentions that this might work for some configurations.

No good.

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**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/114 "2020-11-03T14:13:55Z")

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Continuing the sidetrack. …

Xkcd uses the title attribute of the \<img\> tag to generate the hover-over pop-up.  
Discourse uses the title attribute of the \<abbr\> tag to generate the hover-over pop-up.  
So they are not the same thing. They are similar.

Both of those are bog-standard html being used correctly. Both are supported by all the major non-mobile non-tablet browsers.

Neither uses any fancy javascript or css; they just depend on how the browser implements the tag and recognizes and reacts to hover-over.

My experiments:  
Chrome on Android suppresses the special formatting indicating there’s anything to be seen by doing a hover-over. And even knowing where to double press or press and hold produces no result

Safari on iPad has the same result: you can’t see special formatting and no amount of tapping, holding, etc., provokes any response.

I don’t have the dev tools to go behind the scenes on Android or iPad. This failure may be an artifact of Discourse itself, the mobile / tablet version of the available themes, or a shortcoming of the browsers themselves.

My conclusion:  
For whatever combination of reason(s), the \<abbr\> tag is useless for a hefty fraction of our viewers and so posters should not use it at all.

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**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/115 "2020-11-03T14:21:28Z")

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Well I guess that settles that.

[/end of sidetrack]

We now return to our regularly scheduled campaign bus attacks.

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**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/116 "2020-11-03T14:53:38Z")

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> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> My conclusion:  
> For whatever combination of reason(s), the tag is useless for a hefty fraction of our viewers and so posters should not use it at all.

Absolutely correct…

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**Author:** ![Jumpbass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jumpbass/32/147_2.png) [@Jumpbass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jumpbass)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/117 "2020-11-03T17:15:47Z")

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Nope, that involves science. Science don’t work.  
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Science!

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/118 "2020-11-03T17:23:30Z")

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If only Trump supporters could be blinded by Science rather than Trump.

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**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/119 "2020-11-03T19:50:31Z")

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Snopes has an account of what the Biden bus attack videos show. In a nutshell, to Snopes it looks like the Biden bus changed lanes to the right, the white Biden SUV tried to change lanes to follow the bus, and the dark Trump truck zoomed forward to keep the SUV from moving into the lane.

> **['#OperationBlockTheBus': Inside the Pro-Trump FB Group Where Biden Bus Convoy...](https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/11/02/operation-block-the-bus/)**
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> Activity in the private Facebook Group included pro-QAnon messages, cheering on the idea to "block" a Biden-Harris campaign bus, and talk of being armed with guns.

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**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-campaign-bus-cars-driven-by-staffers-attacked-on-highway/924454/120 "2020-11-03T20:08:39Z")

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Found another article that says the driver of the truck in the bus incident also drove through a crowd of protesters in San Antonio, saying they “should have been on the sidewalk.”

[https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tpr.org/news/2020-11-02/video-shows-man-who-rammed-suv-near-biden-bus-also-drove-through-crowd-of-protesters-in-san-antonio%3F\_amp=true](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tpr.org/news/2020-11-02/video-shows-man-who-rammed-suv-near-biden-bus-also-drove-through-crowd-of-protesters-in-san-antonio%3f_amp=true)

ETA: I don’t know why my link did that “redirect notice” thing. It’s a link to an article on Texas Public Radio website ([tpr.org](http://tpr.org)).

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