# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2050 "2024-07-20T21:02:36Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And how would we know? See that article is dated TODAY, and if the Politician asked the times for a correction, it would be be for several days- week, and would be buried somewhere, so we would never see it. Here’s how we would know. Biden cheerleaders, echoing his peevish attacks on “elites,” would be stridently jumping on the honest New York Times corrected mistake to downplay the situation. See: [How does The New York Times handle corrections?](https://www.nytimes.com/article/new-york-times-corrections.html?unlocked_article_code=1.8k0.xw6c.-QSUoSMyJ2LS&smid=url-share) Actual corrections are here, and I believe you can see the headlines of all corrected articles even without a gift link: [Corrections](https://www.nytimes.com/section/corrections) ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2051 "2024-07-20T21:03:05Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > My mother on the other hand (they were long divorced) was hopeless, refused any internet connection and I increasingly had do everything for her in this modern world until she passed away. Yeah, that was my experience. She didn’t even have dementia, but she just got totally helpless with… pretty much everything. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2052 "2024-07-20T21:07:52Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And how would we know? See that article is dated TODAY, and if the Politician asked the times for a correction, it would be be for several days- week, and would be buried somewhere, so we would never see it. No, the politician would first publicly deny the truth of the NYT article. Thus far, I don’t think a single politician has denied the words attributed to them on this issue, regardless of medium making the claim. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2053 "2024-07-20T21:10:27Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Thus far, I don’t think a single politician has denied the words attributed to them. So, it has been only today. And I wasnt talking about the actual quote- the NYT is not gonna change the words. But the NYT can miscategorize or take out of context. In fact I gave a couple examples that were more in the “concern” than “drop out” category. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2054 "2024-07-20T21:11:32Z")
That’s fine, but it seems like splitting hairs at this point. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2055 "2024-07-20T21:21:25Z")
Not at all. “Concern” is something we should all have. Is Bidens health okay? HIs poll numbers could be better. etc etc. I am _concerned_. Everyone should be concerned. And no one _expressed concern about his ability to be President._- Altho that seems to be something CoolHandCox made up. Also he seems to have made up the idea of adding the two categories together. The NYT is not gonna make up a quote. But they could easily take a sorta nebulous quote and miscategorize it- and in fact they did. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2056 "2024-07-20T21:29:16Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > In fact I gave a couple examples that were more in the “concern” than “drop out” category. I documented one of them, that seemed to literally be a call to resign, [in an earlier post](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-denies/1003690/2044). To further vindicate New York Times characterizations your post challenged, I’ll now address another one, you earlier quoted, that not only is a clear call to drop out, but also expresses concerns about Biden remaining in office: [Roll Call](https://rollcall.com/2024/07/12/these-democrats-have-called-on-biden-to-quit-the-race/) > [@](#): > > ## **Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Pérez, D-Wash.** > > **What she said:** In addition to calling on Biden to drop his reelection bid, Gluesenkamp Pérez suggested that the president consider resigning before his term ends in January 2025. “Like most people I represent in Southwest Washington, I doubt the President’s judgment about his health, his fitness to do the job, and whether he is the one making important decisions about our country, rather than unelected advisors,” Gluesenkamp Pérez said in a statement,[according to the Seattle Times](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/gluesenkamp-perez-suggests-biden-step-aside-doubts-fitness-to-do-job/). “Americans deserve to feel their president is fit enough to do the job. The crisis of confidence in the President’s leadership needs to come to an end. The President should do what he knows is right for the country and put the national interest first.” ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2057 "2024-07-20T22:01:22Z")
I’d rather see Gretchen at the top of the ticket. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2058 "2024-07-20T22:07:27Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Yeah, it’s that conspiracy theory logic that really disturbs and annoys me. Lots of the “billionaire” crap on kos right now. It remains a mystery though why the billionaires have suddenly turned on Biden, who is clearly able to lead a comeback, especially the scum Clooney who should stay out of offering any political opinion, who just recently helped raise $28M for the Biden campaign? What has Trump offered them, or have on them? And they don’t want Harris but in favor of whom? Why? And why are the secret lizard people okay with this!?! ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2059 "2024-07-20T22:45:47Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > And why are the secret lizard people okay with this!?! They’re not; they just don’t know about it. They were distracted by that $600,000,000 wedding in India. Seriously, they were all there: > **[See photos of stars at the mega wedding for the son of Asia's richest man in...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ambani-billionaire-wedding-photos-celebrities/)** > > The son of Mukesh Ambani has a wedding guest list that includes John Cena, Kim Kardashian, Priyanka Chopra and Nick Jonas. Back in the USA, Biden reportedly will ignore the promised Monday pile-on of Dems asking him to pass the torch, because Netanyahu is arriving Wednesday to humiliate him, and he doesn’t want any additional humiliation: > [@](#): > > … According to the Times, advisors to Biden think he does not want to drop out and give Netanyahu, as the Times put it, “the satisfaction.” The two leaders are on shaky terms over the Israel-Gaza War. > The meeting may have already been a problem for Biden, regardless of the domestic political winds he faces. > “He will humiliate Biden, frankly, by showing up without having agreed to a cease-fire deal,” Barbara Slavin, a fellow for the Middle East and North Africa at the think tank Stimson Center, told the German outlet DW … > **[Biden is staying in the race for now to stick it to Netanyahu his advisors...](https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-netanyahu-visit-drop-out-nyt-2024-7)** > > President Joe Biden may not want to drop out and give Netanyahu "the satisfaction" before his visit to DC next week, The New York Times reported. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2060 "2024-07-20T23:09:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And no one _expressed concern about his ability to be President._- Altho that seems to be something CoolHandCox made up. Also he seems to have made up the idea of adding the two categories together. These are all unique quotes from different politicians from Friday alone asking him to **step aside** : > “I think the President should end his campaign.” > > "I believe it is in the best interests of our country for him to step aside.” > > “It is now time for you to pass the torch to a new generation of Democratic leaders.” **x 7 different politicians** > > “It is time for President Biden to step aside and allow us to nominate a new leader" > > “President Biden should step aside” > > "should not be our nominee in November.” It goes on and on like that, and these also express concern (obviously, that’s why they are asking him to drop out) and some of those reasons are due to his mental ability and some are not. Here is other politicians “ **expressing concern** ” (but not asking him to drop out): > "serious concerns about whether he is our strongest candidate to win in November and his ability to serve another term.” > > “The President did not just have one ‘bad debate.’ The reality we saw with our own lying eyes is evidence of a deeper challenge.” > > “we need to see a much more forceful and energetic candidate on the campaign trail in the very near future in order for him to convince voters he is up to the job.” > > “Completely out of touch with reality and insulated from truth." > > “We must face the reality that widespread public concerns about your age and fitness” **x 4** Those go on. They also don’t all express concern about his mental ability, but his ability to win, etc. as I mentioned. Maybe we are splitting hairs on what “ability to be President” means. It means, to me, he can’t win and should not even run to try. Why? For various reasons, some of which include his mental ability. Late: I don’t mean to get hung up on the reasons. They don’t really matter to the R’s. It’s the public revolt that he should step aside. These are direct quote public statements that will be used against him should he decide to stay (ie, his own people don’t want him as President). Or maybe, and I mean this seriously, I’m overreacting to all this. It’s possible but I have never seen anything like this before. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2061 "2024-07-20T23:22:55Z")
Bibi should be careful in what he wishes for. President Harris will still be a friend of Israel but definitely not a friend of Bibi. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2062 "2024-07-20T23:45:30Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > These are direct quote public statements that will be used against him should he decide to stay (ie, his own people don’t want him as President). I am a bit confused how to characterize this. On the one hand, Democrats sincerely do not want to force him out. Those who want him to drop out want him allowed the choice. But on the other, it has gotten to the point where it is almost inconceivable that Joe stays in the race. Only a small proportion of Democratic members of congress have called for him to drop out, but we all know they are saying what others more cautious are thinking. And if Joe stays in the race, can you imagine what Trump would do with statements Democrats made, about his cognition, in GOP advertising, and in the September debate? It is getting hard to deny that Biden was (I think properly) pushed out, and just hasn’t acknowledged it yet. What has happened is truly sad — and also shows how much more responsible the Democratic Party is than its opponent. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2063 "2024-07-20T23:51:55Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > because Netanyahu is arriving Wednesday to humiliate him, and he doesn’t want any additional humiliation I say who cares? Dearest Joe: Netanyahu is going to show up with an attitude either way and wouldn’t it be nice if you could throw it right back in his face because he’s now officially someone else’s problem? Why go through another week of trying to pretend you’re his friend? Tell him you’re out and if he doesn’t like anything you have to say he should address his concerns to deez nuts. Advisors and functionaries can privately tell him you’ve gone senile if he takes more offense than he usually does. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2064 "2024-07-21T00:00:52Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > On the one hand, Democrats sincerely do not want to force him out. Those who want him to drop out want him allowed the choice. They say that, but here’s what it’s sounded like consistently; Democrat X: It’s Biden’s decision whether or not he stays in the race Biden: I’ve made my decision Democrat: We trust him to make the right decision Biden: I decided I’m staying in Democrat: Whenever he makes his decision we’re going to respect it Biden: OK, I just told you I’m staying, please respect that Democrat: HE’S GOING TO DECIDE ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2065 "2024-07-21T00:12:11Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Those who want him to drop out want him allowed the choice. I’d put this in the past tense now. Those Democrats were hoping it would be relatively easy and painless. At this point, though, many of them would be happy to force Biden our. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2066 "2024-07-21T00:24:40Z")
Re the last two posts, I agree that arguing against the idea that Biden is being forced out is too narrowly legalistic to be worth insisting on. Instead I would say that the Democrats were correct to force out a candidate who started showing strong signs of cognitive decline only after the primary filing deadlines. When Republicans say that the Democrats only did it when Biden polled poorly, I would show evidence that Biden was behind in swing states long before the debate, and did not get much worse right after it. The difference was that Biden actually became less qualified for high office. And I’d also point out that when confronted with something worse – an isolationist primary election winner who rejects the basic lessons World War II, the GOP rallied around him. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2067 "2024-07-21T00:34:48Z")
_Should I stay, or should I go now?_ _Should I stay, or should I go now?_ _If I go, there will be trouble_ _And if I stay, it will be double_ > [@CoolHandCox](#): > > Trump has to be the most beatable candidate in decades (ever?)… _Himself_, sure - _the_ most beatable candidate of all time, however, he does have in his corner the Supreme Court, gerrymandering on blast (_much_ more so than Dem attempts, anyway), Russia’s interference/propaganda machine, goofy electoral college, _by far_ the most-watched news network backing him, as well as almost half of the US…I’m sure missing a bunch… Anyway back to normal scheduled proramming… ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2068 "2024-07-21T00:39:20Z")
Let’s put those 40 or so Democratic lawmakers to the test by having them introduce a resolution to invoke Section 4 of the 25th Amendment. > Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments **or of such other body as Congress may by law provide** , transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President. (Emphasis mine) Congress could pass a law either making Congress itself, or a select committee, to recommend to the Vice President to invoke the 25th Amendment. No, I don’t think Kamala Harris would pull the trigger, but let’s see how many Democratic incumbents are ready to hand her the gun. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2024, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/2069 "2024-07-21T00:59:13Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > Let’s put those 40 or so Democratic lawmakers to the test by having them introduce a resolution to invoke Section 4 of the 25th Amendment. I must be missing something. The House of Representatives is controlled by the Republicans. They cannot be trusted with this responsibility. Democrats who are gradually increasing the pressure on Biden are doing it that way to minimize the humiliation of a man who is a friend of many. This is the correct way to proceed in a take-away-the-keys situation. Re “such other body as Congress may be law provide,” one might consider a non-partisan committee, such as the chairpersons of the neurology departments of all civilian medical schools in the metro D.C. area. I like non-partisan committees. But I fail to see how this will be better than what is going on now. The situation is inherently messy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=102) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=104)