# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2024, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/361 "2024-07-06T23:54:06Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > old age is catching up with him in a way that is starkly visible). But it isn’t. Yeah, we have one debate, but that is it > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > You’re making an argument against this one thing I said in my post while ignoring the rest of it. Yeah, maybe Harris will jump out in front- or maybe not- after the GOP hate machine and Kremlin propaganda people get on her. But if we are talking RIGHT NOW- Biden is doing Okay. Not good, not bad, but okay. No one else is. So we drop the 'doing okay candidate" for a candidate that isnt doing as well, but COULD do better. But Biden could also do better. . ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/362 "2024-07-06T23:55:30Z")
They aren’t neck and neck. Biden is definitely behind. Nate Silver had Biden at ~26% chance of winning and suspects that will probably drop more as more post-debate polls come out. Will Harris start that far behind? Maybe. But Harris might be capable of making a comeback. It isn’t clear that this version of Biden has that capability. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/363 "2024-07-07T00:13:51Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > They aren’t neck and neck. Biden is definitely behind. The current polls say otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/364 "2024-07-07T00:27:59Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > But Biden could also do better. This. My money is on him regaining his SOTU form. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/365 "2024-07-07T00:28:47Z")
I honestly doubt that. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/366 "2024-07-07T00:32:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Any certainty in predicting political events is just ludicrous. I’m continually shocked that so many Americans think they have any better than a wild guess level of skill in predicting political events. Biden’s odds of winning pretty much disappeared with that weak debate performance. Voters don’t forget. Trump, though he’s an idiot, at least appeared confident. Confidence is what sells, not policy. The ONLY chance of the Dems winning at this point, up or down ticket, is to replace Biden with Harris. Even then, it will be a tough race. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/367 "2024-07-07T00:34:20Z")
Are you just looking at the polls you like? The weighted average of polls has Biden down 2 or 3 points. It is really hard to make good decisions if you are just going to ignore reality. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/368 "2024-07-07T00:35:33Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@Dr.Drake](#): > > > > old age is catching up with him in a way that is starkly visible). > > But it isn’t. Yeah, we have one debate, but that is it Wait: are you arguing that Biden’s old age is NOT starkly visible? Or that he is not perceptibly older than he was in 2020? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/369 "2024-07-07T00:37:33Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Then if Harris gets picked, and she is polling behind trump, we dump her and try another? Harris is the only one with access to the $240 million war chest already raised because her name is also on the ticket. So there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/370 "2024-07-07T00:53:39Z")
Thank you for your certainty, random internet stranger. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/371 "2024-07-07T01:03:22Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > The take-grandpa’s-keys scenario They already have his keys (along with those of every other living ex-President and ex-VP): > **[Past presidents agree, this surprising rule is one of the worst parts of...](https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/28/presidents-arent-allowed-to-drive.html)** > > Hand over the keys, Mr. President. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/372 "2024-07-07T01:19:20Z")
Why? Joe Biden is not a felon. Who of us can really control or mind our adult childrens bad choices? Of course, you hope you raised them to not commit felonies. Personally I think what Hunter did was no more than 1000s of others do on forms. Wrong? Yes. Many families have drug addiction problems with members. There’s nothing Joe should be ashamed of. He did not do drugs. Addiction to drugs is a disease. Paying porn stars, hiding it, trying to overtake the government, lying to the American people a gazillion times. Making the COVID response slower. Visiting Communist leaders and kissing their asses. Putting babies in cages. Etc. Etc. Etc. is not a disease. Apparently some are criminal. How many indictments are there? Yeah I’d call him a felon to his ugly face, in a New York minute. Let me get near him. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/373 "2024-07-07T01:29:12Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > They aren’t neck and neck. Biden is definitely behind. Nate Silver had Biden at ~26% chance of winning and suspects that will probably drop more as more post-debate polls come out. In hockey, if one team is just one goal behind and game time is almost up, it’s routine for the trailing team to take their goalie out of the net and put on an extra skater for an all-out attack. It’s a big risk because the net is empty, but they do it because it’s their only chance, and “only chance” is a lot better than the near certainty of losing. Nate Silver has a pretty good track record. A 74% probability of a national disaster of unprecedented proportions isn’t the kind of chance that should be casually shrugged off. . ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/374 "2024-07-07T01:30:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Thank you for your certainty, random internet stranger. Haha! No more certain than anyone else’s opinion is. But as a Canadian watching my American neighbors to the South possibly mess up and re-elect Trump, I think this decision needs to be made with the utmost scrutiny, and not be about hurting someone’s feelings. Trump has a big base, and if he manages to be confident enough to persuade most of the undecideds, it’s game over for the Democrats. Time to get behind Harris. NOW. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/375 "2024-07-07T01:36:55Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > He did not do drugs. Sorry but I take offense at this statement. We pretty much ALL do drugs. It’s hypocritical to think we don’t. Today I took Advil and Tylenol for pain relief. Maybe days I get caffeine from coffee or Coke. We wouldn’t think of admonishing a diabetic for taking Insulin, or other chemicals used to test countless diseases. There’s an underlying assumption in the “don’t do drugs” mantra that all drugs are bad. This isn’t the truth. SOME drugs are dangerous, especially if they’re not prescribed for you, but many drugs are actually quite beneficial. /rant over ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/376 "2024-07-07T01:39:14Z")
Crack, meth, heroin, ice, crystal, are not good. Take all the offense you want. I don’t want any person I love doing them. Ever. If you think they compare to Tylenol you are a fool. If you think anything Hunter Biden _did_ compares to the insulin that keeps me alive, you’re a bigger fool. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/377 "2024-07-07T01:41:50Z")
I _meant_ that by knocking trump as a felon ( felons are bad) he’d inadvertantly be knocking his son. He wouldn’t do that. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/378 "2024-07-07T01:42:12Z")
– not responding to DWMarch > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Any certainty in predicting political events is just ludicrous. I’m continually shocked that so many Americans think they have any better than a wild guess level of skill in predicting political events. If my compensation depended on having correct predictions, I’d be more like 538 and Nate Silver, and emphasize uncertainty. But if we are talking about amateur prognosticators on for-fun message boards like this, there is no harm in saying what you think. And I think if Biden resigns, the chances for the Democratic ticket winning in November go way up. Now, if he drops out of the race for a current medical issue, while remaining President, that is going to put Harris is a tough position where she has to defend the indefensible. I still think she can eek out a win under those circumstances, but it is more a wild guess. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/379 "2024-07-07T01:45:09Z")
Yeah, but he did call him a felon in the debate. Didn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/380 "2024-07-07T01:47:24Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Crack, meth, heroin, ice, crystal, are not good. > > Take all the offense you want. > > I don’t want any person I love doing them. Ever. > > If you think they compare to Tylenol you are a fool. > > If you think anything Hunter Biden _did_ compares to the insulin that keeps me alive, you’re a bigger fool. And clearly you do not understand how the “ say no to drugs” message can be misleading, especially to kids. Just because you know which drugs you are referring to doesn’t mean everyone else does. Certainly crack, meth, heroin, ice, crystal, are not good, as well as a ton of other chemicals. Cocaine was once the active ingredient in Coca-cola too. Sometimes what we think we know ain’t always the truth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=20)