# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2024, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/621 "2024-07-09T23:16:41Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > What about her record? Back when she was in California? Yes. > **[Kamala was a cop. Black people knew it first.](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/12/kamala-was-a-cop-black-people-knew-it-first/)** > > The meme was a lot more than a political smear job by "douchey white guys." > [@](#): > > On Black Twitter, calling out aspects of Harris’s record as a prosecutor wasn’t just about getting one over on a candidate. It was about holding her accountable for her past actions, which include an anti-truancy law that threatened the parents of students who skipped school with criminal charges, and various failures to hold police and prosecutors accountable for misconduct. > **[Kamala Harris Has a History of Passing the Buck on Police Killings](https://jacobin.com/2021/03/kamala-harris-criminal-justice-system-police-shootings)** > > Vice President Kamala Harris now touts herself as a police reform advocate. But troubling incidents — including fatal shootings by police officers in the state — during her time as California’s “top cop” suggest that wasn’t always the case. > [@](#): > > The Daily Poster has found that when Harris was California’s attorney general, she did not investigate the fatal shootings of two unarmed men by the same Anaheim police officer less than a year apart, despite calls from the city’s mayor and members of the public following the second. Instead, she left the task up to the Orange County District Attorney’s office, which was embroiled in a misconduct scandal and notorious for letting officers off the hook. > > At the time, Harris [suggested her office](https://www.ocweekly.com/protest-to-be-held-outside-oc-district-attorneys-office-over-ocs-killer-cops-6441255/) would review the findings of the district attorney’s office, but the _Daily Poster_ found no evidence that a serious review of the DA report ever took place. The Anaheim police officer, Nick Bennallack, remained on the force for years — and went on to kill again. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2024, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/622 "2024-07-09T23:28:40Z")
Re Harris being historically tough on crime, this was a reaction to a genuine crime increase and the same can be said about Biden: [Biden in 1993 speech pushing crime bill warned of ‘predators on our streets’ who were ‘beyond the pale’](https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/07/politics/biden-1993-speech-predators/index.html) > [@](#): > > His central role in shaping and shepherding the tough-on-crime bill will likely face scrutiny in a Democratic primary should he run for president in 2020. His 1993 comments, which were in line with the broad political consensus to tackling crime at the time . . . I know this isn’t the same as questioning allegations against police, but she was the DA at a time when they all may have gone in that direction. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2024, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/623 "2024-07-09T23:31:10Z")
Oh, I’ll look for that. Sounds fun. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/624 "2024-07-09T23:33:18Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Re Harris being historically tough on crime, this was a reaction to a genuine crime increase and the same can be said about Biden: She didn’t pass the truancy law, she enforced it. If she didn’t then the complaint would be how she is soft on crime. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2024, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/625 "2024-07-09T23:34:25Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Oh, I’ll look for that. Sounds fun. It’s in one of the other threads I posted in. I said I was not voting Biden or Trump and the fireworks began. So it is not conjecture, it is history. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/626 "2024-07-09T23:37:41Z")
And yeah, the being on the blue side of any defund the police mindset might hurt in a D primary, but it would be a plus in a general election in which the soft on crime and untrue mythology of muderously dangerous cities is a GOP attack line against every D. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/627 "2024-07-09T23:59:38Z")
Good points. I hadn’t thought of the SOTU as play-acting off of a tele-promoter, but U suppose it is. When confronted with Trump (supposedly the first time they were in a room together since 2020) and unscripted unrehearsed questions, that deer-in-the-headlights look will be difficult to forget. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/628 "2024-07-10T00:20:23Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > And yeah, the being on the blue side of any defund the police mindset No leading Democrat is in favor of defunding the Police. Biden specifically said he was totally against it. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/629 "2024-07-10T00:50:15Z")
From the perspective of a general election and the unengaged and undecided voters … details details. The cities are also getting safer not higher murder rates. It’s the story that sells. And it is harder to sell the story against someone with a tough on crime record. I do want to make very clear: I personally am not yet panicking. Worrying yes and of the belief that Biden should step aside, but I am still hopeful with either one running. Yes Biden is down. But look at the change in France from round one to round two … I see two major possible branching paths right now: Biden is actually less impaired than many of us think and he performs well going forward; or he is impaired as bad as some of us fear in which case he won’t be able to avoid demonstrating it going forward and we still end up with Harris running. I refuse to consider that he does more incoherent babbling and still stays in. In either of those cases we are left with two groups calcified in their positions, and a deciding group that right now leans Trump if they vote but are not fixed to any of the choices. That is advantage Trump no doubt but also very much subject to mood of the day to vote or not and even for whom. A functional Biden or a Harris can realistically come back from behind this much, and being the underdog may actually help them run to win rather than to not lose. May help to get a few who might do third party in protest to reconsider even. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/630 "2024-07-10T00:54:48Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Yes Biden is down. But look at the change in France from round one to round two … I wish I had thought of that! The reason results changed was that – weak candidates dropped out. Hint, hint. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/631 "2024-07-10T01:11:46Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The cities are also getting safer not higher murder rates. It’s the story that sells. And it is harder to sell the story against someone with a tough on crime record. It’s a pretty good story–one worth pushing on–but it isn’t unassailable. The counterargument is that it’s just post-COVID regression to the mean and that we aren’t yet back to Trump’s best years, let alone Obama’s: [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRcFowAb0AEBHx9?format=png&name=4096x4096) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRcFowAb0AEBHx9?format=png&name=4096x4096) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/632 "2024-07-10T04:40:38Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > and a deciding group that right now leans Trump if they vote but are not fixed to any of the choices. There is no group that “leans” trump. Either they are fanatic MAGAs or always GOPers, or not. There _is_ a unfortunate group that currently leans 3rd party or staying home. And they could decide the election by simply not voting for Biden. They are the ones I am worried about. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/633 "2024-07-10T10:51:15Z")
The disengaged voter group, traditionally a group that leans D, this time leans Trump solidly. It’s the group that does not follow the news hardly at all. This has been cited and discussed before in this forum. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/634 "2024-07-10T14:01:16Z")
Just when I thought this was going to die down … [https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/10/us/biden-trump-election?unlocked\_article\_code=1.6E0.yk5j.JlMG2PnUIRnK&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/10/us/biden-trump-election?unlocked_article_code=1.6E0.yk5j.JlMG2PnUIRnK&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/635 "2024-07-10T14:24:41Z")
Didn’t someone point out that “He’s the nominee”, “It’s his choice”, and so on aren’t actually endorsements that he should actually run? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/636 "2024-07-10T14:41:07Z")
Super quick minor point of a derail that hopefully ends with this post… > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > If the SOTU tested anything, it was acting ability. We need a President skilled at real life crisis management, not one acting like he has such skills. > [@Biffster](#): > > I hadn’t thought of the SOTU as play-acting off of a tele-promoter, but U suppose it is. Nope - the SOTU was definitely more than that, with Biden calling out the GOP on the cutting of Social Security and Medicare. That’s thinking on your feet, and with his Morning Joe showing recently, we should maybe turn down the despair levels a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/637 "2024-07-10T15:01:31Z")
Something I’ve noticed: with all the close examination of Biden in the past two weeks, no one is focussing on Trump, and it’s driving him crazy. Individual 1 is an attention whore, and this just won’t do. Just like his civil and criminal convictions served to increase Trump’s popularity, Biden’s weak debate performance may have actually increased his visibility and popularity. Perhaps it’s the human touch part, but boy, is he getting the attention now. Suck it, Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/638 "2024-07-10T15:18:28Z")
CNN or another site ran a news article suggesting he is trying to avoid questions about recent rape allegations(uh, the revelation of allegations are recent, the alleged rapes were 30 years or so ago). Then again, it’s all kind of unclear if these rapes are real or even in the Epstein papers that got released a week or two ago. I’m still not sure. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/639 "2024-07-10T16:11:54Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Two multi-million-dollar Democratic donors (including a _name_) have now gone on the record opposing Biden’s continued candidacy. If Biden were to be unwillingly “forced out” … I wonder if this is what the beginning looks like? > > > Abigail Disney, granddaughter of Roy O. Disney, who co-founded The Walt Disney Co., told CNBC on Thursday that she plans to withhold donations to the party she has funded for years until Biden drops out. > > > > … > > > > Gideon Stein, president of the Moriah Fund, said he’s decided to pause planned donations of $3.5 million, earmarked for nonprofits and political organizations tied to the race for the White House. > > > > “Joe Biden has been a very effective president, but unless he steps aside my family and I are pausing on more than $3 million in planned donations to nonprofits and political organizations aligned with the presidential race, with the exception of some down ballot work,” Stein said. “Virtually every major donor I’ve talked to believes that we need a new candidate in order to defeat Donald Trump.” > > > > … > > > > Karla Jurvetson, a philanthropist and major Democratic donor, hinted as recently as Tuesday in a private donor call that she agrees with the sentiment on pausing donations until Biden steps down and could end up making such move, according to a person familiar with her remarks. > > [Disney heiress, wealthy Democratic donors say they won't finance the party until Joe Biden drops out](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/04/democratic-donors-wont-finance-party-until-joe-biden-drops-out.html) Clooney, who just hosted a fundraiser a few weeks ago, says he can’t back Biden anymore. Says Biden was the same at the fundraiser as he was at the debate. “We are not going to win in November with this president. On top of that, we won’t win the House, and we’re going to lose the Senate.” [https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/4763815-george-clooney-biden-drop-out-new-york-times/](https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/4763815-george-clooney-biden-drop-out-new-york-times/) I know he’s just a Hollywood guy, but he’s a big fundraiser for the Democratic party. This is going to sting. I hope it gets some party “elites” otf their asses. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/640 "2024-07-10T16:34:29Z")
And now, another George: " [In TMZ Video, George Stephanopoulos Says Biden Can’t Serve Another Term](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/10/business/media/tmz-george-stephanopoulos-biden.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6E0.-pFb.y_cC2HhWMRDn&smid=url-share)" (NY Times gift link) > The ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos apologized on Tuesday night after he was surreptitiously recorded earlier in the day saying he did not believe that President Biden could handle another term in office. > > His remarks — made in passing to a stranger who approached him on the street — came four days after Mr. Stephanopoulos conducted the only major interview with Mr. Biden since the president’s stumbling debate performance. > Mr. Stephanopoulos is one of very few people outside of Mr. Biden’s immediate inner circle who has spent extended time with the president since the debate. That will certainly help everyone move on! /s [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=33)