# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/61 "2024-07-03T19:29:51Z")
Okay- Biden is not considering dropping out. That was fake news. ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/62 "2024-07-03T19:35:54Z")
It truly pains me to say this, but lately any time I see a derogatory headline about Biden in the NYT I take it with a huge helping of salty skepticism. The paper has it in for him, clearly. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/63 "2024-07-03T19:36:53Z")
To be fair the report was not that he was considering dropping out. It was his recognition that he needs to convince everyone that he is up for job or else his campaign is doomed. His mindset may be exclusively focused on how to do that, not on the possibility that he cannot. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/64 "2024-07-03T19:38:13Z")
Harris was a disaster in 2020. Her speaking word salad. Her proposals baffling. Her big attack line on Biden was about a policy nobody has cared about in decades. She didn’t even make it to Iowa. She will be a complete and total disaster for the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/65 "2024-07-03T19:39:03Z")
You don’t think she’s learned ANYthing in 4 years? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/66 "2024-07-03T19:41:39Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Harris was a disaster in 2020. Her speaking word salad. Her proposals baffling. Her big attack line on Biden was about a policy nobody has cared about in decades. She didn’t even make it to Iowa. She will be a complete and total disaster for the Democrats. None of those things matter anymore. See:Trump ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/67 "2024-07-03T19:41:59Z")
She’s been sitting in the Naval Observatory occasionally casting tie breaking votes and not much else. So no, I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/68 "2024-07-03T19:42:51Z")
She was a horrible primary candidate with no clear strategy for how to run a full length primary campaign against Biden. I think OTOH she could be an excellent general election candidate in a short season against the existential threat that many of us feel is Trump. It’s a different sort of race and she will have a different sort of advisory team. I also think she’d be a fine president. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/69 "2024-07-03T19:43:51Z")
I posted this in another thread recently: > [@IF it is obvious that Biden should step aside, who should take his place?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-is-obvious-that-biden-should-step-aside-who-should-take-his-place/1003462/140): > > It seems it is more than just us here: > > - [House Democrats Consider Demanding Biden Withdraw From Race](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-03/biden-debate-disaster-will-cost-them-house-and-senate-democrats-fear?leadSource=reddit_wall) > > > Dozens of Democratic lawmakers are considering signing a letter demanding President Joe Biden withdraw from the race, a senior party official said, as panic mounts that he’ll cost them control of Congress. > > > > Biden is rapidly losing the support of Democratic lawmakers and candidates concerned the 81-year-old’s continued candidacy would lead to a Republican sweep of Washington and an unchecked Donald Trump presidency. I seriously doubt Biden will dropout as things are now. Almost zero chance. But this does signal trouble that his chances are in serious doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/70 "2024-07-03T19:57:25Z")
No, death is listed as an exception for replacing a candidate. It’s the usual legal gobbledygook, but basically after the primary but before 5pm on the 4th July the party committee can replace candidates if they are dead, insane, or mentally incompetent. Here is the text: > [@](#): > > (1) Except as otherwise provided in NRS 293.166, a vacancy occurring in a major or minor political party nomination for a partisan office may be filled by a candidate designated by the party central committee of the county or State, as the case may be, of the major political party or by the executive committee of the minor political party subject to the provisions of subsections 3, 4 and 5. > > (3) If a vacancy occurs in a major political party nomination for a partisan office after the primary election and before 5 p.m. on the fourth Friday in July of the year in which the general election is held and: > > (a) The vacancy occurs because the nominee dies or is adjudicated insane or mentally incompetent, the vacancy may be filled by a candidate designated by the party central committee of the county or State, as the case may be, of the major political party. > > (b) The vacancy occurs for a reason other than the reasons described in paragraph (a), the nominee’s name must remain on the ballot for the general election and, if elected, a vacancy exists. > > (4) No change may be made on the ballot for the general election after 5 p.m. on the fourth Friday in July of the year in which the general election is held. If, after that time and date: > > (a) A nominee dies or is adjudicated insane or mentally incompetent; or > > (b) A vacancy in the nomination is otherwise created, > > the nominee’s name must remain on the ballot for the general election and, if elected, a vacancy exists. > > (5) Each designation of a candidate provided for in this section must be filed with the appropriate filing officer before 5 p.m. on the fourth Friday in July of the year in which the general election is held. In each case, the candidate must file a declaration of candidacy with the appropriate filing officer and pay the filing fee required by [NRS 293.193](https://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/nrs-293.html#NRS293Sec193) before 5 p.m. on the date the designation is filed. I really don’t understand this law though. Because Biden isn’t the nominee yet. There is certainly the possibility that the Democratic Convention selects somebody else as the nominee. So I really don’t quite get whether this law even applies to the office of the President, which has very different rules than something like a Senator or US Rep where the nominee is known as soon as the primary is over. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/71 "2024-07-03T20:02:53Z")
Not necessarily _fake_ news. How about a reporter has an insider talking? And who heard things. You gotta know these things are being discussed inside the Whitehouse, just as we are talking about it. Too soon to label it _fake_ news. That means a particular thing. It may be news, in error. It may be news that’s thought about and considered. It may be a overheard conversation. Too soon. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/72 "2024-07-03T20:07:35Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > No, death is listed as an exception for replacing a candidate. It’s the usual legal gobbledygook, but basically after the primary but before 5pm on the 4th July the party committee can replace candidates if they are dead, insane, or mentally incompetent. So what happens if someone dies in, say, August? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/73 "2024-07-03T20:08:22Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > or **mentally incompetent**. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/74 "2024-07-03T20:09:13Z")
My guess is their running-mate (the VP pick) automatically becomes the candidate. Not sure if there are rules for who they can pick as their VP. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/75 "2024-07-03T20:09:31Z")
Well, in MO many years ago that happened. The dead person remained on the ballot, and won. He was replaced by his wife. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/76 "2024-07-03T20:10:07Z")
It would look really weird to make the older and more federally-experienced of the two the back-up to the younger and less-experienced of the two. _ **If** _ he’s not fit to be president, he’s certainly not fit to be waiting in the wings to be president. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/77 "2024-07-03T20:13:17Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > It would look really weird to make the older and more federally-experienced of the two the back-up to the younger and less-experienced of the two. What is this, 2008? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/78 "2024-07-03T20:14:28Z")
I have no idea what’s going to happen. I have no idea what I _want_ to happen. But if Harris became the nominee and actually beat Trump…he’d have to put on a suicide watch. His whole world would come crumbling down. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/79 "2024-07-03T20:20:40Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > on a suicide watch I think it is not nice to be wanting to watch him do that? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/80 "2024-07-03T20:23:17Z")
Oh, no. His ego is too big. It will be about 100 other peoples fault. He will crow for years about how he was robbed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=5)