# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/861 "2024-07-12T00:03:24Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And just about every single person who’s been named as a suggested alternative has said Biden should stay in. New in the world of politics are you? Ha ha. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/862 "2024-07-12T00:05:35Z")
I get your point, but I also see why some people might instinctively balk at “those who publicly agree with me are right, and those who don’t actually do and are just being diplomatic.” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/863 "2024-07-12T00:06:49Z")
No live commentary on the Press Conference? I’m scared to watch it. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/864 "2024-07-12T00:08:41Z")
Didn’t read the bullet points in your own cite, did you? > Biden quickly corrected himself, while Zelensky replied to Biden’s gaffe in a joking manner, saying, “I’m better [than Putin].” > > “You are a hell of a lot better,” Biden told Zelensky after correcting himself, blaming his mistake on being “so focused on beating Putin.” So, it’s a slip of the tongue, just like in 1980 when Jimmy Carter referred to a former Vice President as Hubert Horatio Hornblower. > **[Carter Hornblower](https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4899522%2Fcarter-hornblower)** > > Carter Hornblower ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/865 "2024-07-12T00:09:15Z")
Man on the street: Aside from stating “Vice President Trump”, Biden is doing better than his interview with Stephanopolous, which was better than his debate with Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/866 "2024-07-12T00:09:24Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > No live commentary on the Press Conference? I’m scared to watch it. He’s doing pretty well. He started out very strong. A couple of hiccups along the way but overall not bad. But will it change his situation, of Dems wanting him to step aside? Probably not. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/867 "2024-07-12T00:12:49Z")
New York Times times commentary says he is speaking slowly and appears to be exhausted, but that the content of his answers shows a grasp of the topics and in fact, a deep understanding of the subject matter. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/868 "2024-07-12T00:17:36Z")
I know it’s Politician 101 and would expect similar behavior from anyone else but it is driving me nuts that he is not answering the questions he is being asked but is instead answering the questions he thinks he should have been asked. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/869 "2024-07-12T00:18:01Z")
He’s doing better than the debate, but that’s a low bar. I’d call it middling so far He confused Trump and Harris in his first response. His voice is raspy and tends to fade. He mispronounced reporter Asma Hallad’s name reading off a card. He has made flubs but then corrected himself. He tends to stop in mid sentence then say ‘Anyway’ and start a new sentence. But all in all he gives what are substantial and correct answers to the questions. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/870 "2024-07-12T00:18:41Z")
That’s accurate. He just discussed Israel/hamas in a way that Trump simply wouldn’t even know about. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/871 "2024-07-12T00:19:35Z")
He’s fading. It’s like he’s running on fumes. And then just now, he perked up when talking about gun violence and children dying. But the last 20-30 minutes he was fading off… ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/872 "2024-07-12T00:21:29Z")
My feed must be on a time delay. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/873 "2024-07-12T00:24:51Z")
He does seem to be fading, and also seems to be rather tired. I was surprised by the loudness and vehemence of his remarks about children and guns. But then he’s back to the way he was before those remarks. Hmm. I’ve said before that Biden does best when he’s got a script to go off. Improvising, such as is necessary when answering questions in a press conference, is not his strong suit, nor has it ever been. Still, in spite of that, and a couple of verbal gaffes (e.g. “Vice President Trump”), he’s doing pretty well. I hope it wraps up soon, though. I’m not sure how much longer he can go on. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/874 "2024-07-12T00:27:09Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > I was surprised by the loudness and vehemence of his remarks about children and guns. But then he’s back to the way he was before those remarks. Hmm. A word about this. I was surprised too at the suddenness and loudness of those remarks. When he maintained that level of loudness, I thought it was borderline inappropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/875 "2024-07-12T00:35:58Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > He does seem to be fading, and also seems to be rather tired. I was surprised by the loudness and vehemence of his remarks about children and guns. But then he’s back to the way he was before those remarks. Hmm. I will assume everyone here has been around an aging person (grandparent, parent, relative, friend) and noted that, as they diminish, they have moments of remarkable clarity. Those moments get fewer and further between as time marches on but they are there. The rest is them clearly being slowed down mentally. I do not think it is ageism to say we are seeing Biden getting into this phase of life. This is no dig on him, it happens to almost everyone eventually. I just find it remarkable that somehow Trump is not being held to account for this. I am guessing it is because he was always an idiot and said stupid shit so now it is just more of the same even if for different reasons (his age). ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/876 "2024-07-12T00:57:13Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I just find it remarkable that somehow Trump is not being held to account for this. I am guessing it is because he was always an idiot and said stupid shit so now it is just more of the same even if for different reasons (his age). It’s been said on countless occasions, and deserves to be said about every 5th post. It’s savagely unfair that Trump gets a bye _simply because_ his insanity, irrationality, and sociopathy are so painfully well-documented and simply a given at this point. But we can neither fix _him nor_ his cult-like supporters. The best we can possibly hope to do is deliver him a popular and Electoral College vote _drubbing_ come November. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/877 "2024-07-12T00:58:34Z")
Connecticut’s Jim Himes, ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, released a statement approximately one minute after the press conference ended calling on Biden to drop out. No word from Himes on who should take Biden’s place. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/878 "2024-07-12T01:00:15Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > No word from Himes on who should take Biden’s place. Presumably Jim Himes. If Biden does drop out I fully expect at least a dozen backbenchers to throw their hats in the ring, since unlike a conventional primary they’ll have no need to raise money or actually get anyone to vote for them. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/879 "2024-07-12T01:04:26Z")
If Biden did drop out the only reasonable replacement is Harris. Anything else would be a clusterfuck. (Unless there is some other amazing candidate…I can think of a few but none are “amazing.”) ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/880 "2024-07-12T01:08:59Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I will assume everyone here has been around an aging person (grandparent, parent, relative, friend) and noted that, as they diminish, they have moments of remarkable clarity. Another part is ability to put on an act for a limited amount of time. My mother is 98 (obviously a lot older than Biden), and can no longer manage it, but until a few years ago taught contract bridge classes. When she was teaching, she was way different than before or after. She is still self-aware, and frustrated with how she currently plays the game. I do not play, but going by what she says, she mixes her old brilliant advanced play with beginner mistakes. People who see Biden every day with high cognitive tasking, like National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, know the situation, in all its complexity, a lot better than any of us. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=45)