# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/941 "2024-07-12T06:23:23Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > those numbers fell closely in line with the overall sentiment of Democrats polled, Not much of a shock? Black voters are more commonly Democratic and are pretty much in line with Democratic voters overall. The disturbing part of that poll though? 21% of Black voters prefer Trump and they are currently lower than Hispanic voters on planning to turn out. The 2020 Biden got 95% of the Black vote. And Black voter turnout was higher than Hispanic turnout then. This is not a good news poll. Black voters are less enthused and much more likely to vote _Trump_ than in 2020. I doubt the debate helped with that ominous result. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/942 "2024-07-12T06:30:01Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > He’s staying in and that’s it. Maybe. Personally I’d bet against it at this point. He isn’t the nominee yet and there is still time for an intervention. Our discussions here, around our offices and our kitchen tables, even Representatives speaking out reflecting their constituencies, they are not what will have impact. Conversations with others behind the scenes will be what convinces him. I’m thinking those are in process. All we can do is stay tuned. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/943 "2024-07-12T07:02:18Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And it’s rather bizarre that the same foot-in-mouth syndrome Biden has had for decades is proof of his “obvious decline” when he’s running against a man who thinks magnets don’t work if they’re wet, that the CEO of Apple is named “Tim Apple”, that Hannibal Lecter is a real person who endorsed him, doesn’t understand the difference between electric motors and solar power, thinks windmills kill whales and give you cancer, doesn’t know what batteries are, said THIS WEEK that he had no idea what NATO is, can’t remember whether or not his oldest son is married or how old his youngest son is, can’t even read a teleprompter without going off script and mumbling incoherently, and openly declares his intent to become a dictator and orchestrate an ethnic cleansing on a larger scale than the literal Holocaust. And what are his bad points? Seriously, that kind of stuff works with his supporters, who see such things as good points. They may interpret it in various ways, but it all comes down to the following: - Why do magnets matter? - Who cares who is the CEO of a computer company? - Hannibal Lector? Never knew about him before; thanks, President Trump. - NATO? Think I heard about that during the Cold War. Isn’t that where countries leech off the United States for defense so they can fund socialized healthcare? - Electric vehicles will force us into “fifteen minute cities,” restricting our freedom. - Going off-script is one of Trump’s strengths. The hell with the script he’s been given by his PR people. He tells it like it is, unlike regular politicians. - Be a dictator? Well, maybe we need one, after decades of liberal crap. Get those liberals back in line with real American values. A dictator could do that, unlike a Congress that dithers and dilly-dallies. - Ethnic cleansing? If that’s what it takes to Make America Great Again, let it happen. Anybody who is affected shouldn’t have come here in the first place. Yes, they do think this way, if what I’ve seen on a right-wing/Trumpist message board is any indication. In short, Trump’s gaffes are his strengths, while Biden’s are those of a senior citizen in decline. To paraphrase the Rockman in the long-ago film _The Point_, “You see what you wanna see, and you hear what you wanna hear.” That sums up how Trump supporters can justify his gaffes. I’d still like to know how Biden can be such a doddering, dementia-addled, fool; while he’s smart enough to be the Godfather of a crime family that has its hooks in other countries who kick dollars back to him in return for favours. But those are Trumpists: they choose whatever works for them at any particular time. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/944 "2024-07-12T07:09:57Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > I’d still like to know how Biden can be such a doddering, dementia-addled, fool; while he’s smart enough to be the Godfather of a crime family that has its hooks in other countries who kick dollars back to him in return for favours. That’s just ur-fascism at work. The enemy must be simultaneously weak (to show that we are the inherently superior breed) and all-powerful (to show that they are dangerous and must be stopped). ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/945 "2024-07-12T07:40:59Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > And what are his bad points? > > Seriously, that kind of stuff works with his supporters, who see such things as good points. Excellent summation. For all those who wonder why Trump is immune to an endless string of ethical failings and criminal transgressions, any one of which alone would have destroyed any other candidate, wonder no more. The core of MAGA – not those who just vote “R” for the tax breaks or the theocracy, but the real adoring core – is essentially comprised of anti-intellectual, anti-social bigots who feel shunned by society. These low-information morons believe their grievances will be addressed by a strongman who totally shakes up the system and upends all existing norms. These are the sorts of people who, in different circumstances, might become mass shooters. They’re certainly the sorts of people who violently invaded the Capitol on January 6, and the sorts who defended them. Trump, either by luck or cunning, has tapped into this dark undercurrent of America. Biden isn’t going to convert any of these misfits with a strong debate performance. A strong Democratic candidate is needed to persuade swing voters, independents, and some rational Republicans to vote against this looming threat. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/946 "2024-07-12T08:33:44Z")
I do not disagree with what you said. It was well said and I think the same way. My main question is, how is it possible there are (at least) 47% of US citizens who are these low-information voters? How does very nearly half of the US population look at Trump and think, yup, he’s the best for this job? I wouldn’t hire Trump as a fry cook (and I say that as a former fry cook…I really was). ---
**Author:** ![Wrenching\_Spanners](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecb155/32.png) [@Wrenching\_Spanners](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wrenching_Spanners)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/947 "2024-07-12T08:46:35Z")
Oh my God! At a time when Biden needs to prove his mental competency and that he’s not too old to be President, he calls Ukraine President Zelensky “President Putin” and US Vice President Harris “Vice President Trump”. This isn’t a car crash. This is a line of cars sliding down an icy hill and piling up at the bottom. I don’t know if Biden is demented, senile, or just dumb and confused, but it’s clear he hasn’t had just one bad moment. His mental faculties are clearly impaired by age. Anyone who doubted George Clooney’s opinion piece should now recognise how accurate his assessment of Biden is. I don’t care how fervent an anti-Trumper you are, you’ve got to recognise that Biden is mentally unfit to be President. The Democratic Party leadership needs to convince Biden to step down. Otherwise he’s probably going to lose to Trump. And if he somehow manages to win, then the US will have a mentally decrepit person who’s too old to the job as President. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/948 "2024-07-12T08:50:15Z")
It’s 47% of _voters_. Not the population. His crappola brought out the bugs from the woodwork. Those, who 15years ago didn’t know up from down much less who to vote for. When the loudmouth started crowing about the birther conspiracy that’s when they woke up. For such a lame, false story about Obama, we have this shit to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/949 "2024-07-12T08:51:49Z")
> [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > Oh my God! At a time when Biden needs to prove his mental competency and that he’s not too old to be President, he calls Ukraine President Zelensky “President Putin” and US Vice President Harris “Vice President Trump”. This isn’t a car crash. This is a line of cars sliding down an icy hill and piling up at the bottom. I don’t know if Biden is demented, senile, or just dumb and confused, but it’s clear he hasn’t had just one bad moment. I’m not sure you’ve ever heard Biden speak before. He’s been like that for decades. I remember seeing him on the Daily Show in 2003 and thinking “This guy is smart but no way in HELL could he ever be president with the mouth he’s got.” ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/950 "2024-07-12T08:56:52Z")
Stutterers have real problems with names. I bet he’s done this his whole life. With people he knows well. Sure, he’s old. And a bit doddering but his mind is sharp. He knows his stuff. IMO. I personally think he did great in the presser. It won’t read that way in the media. The talking heads will never stop about the name jaffes. If they spent 20% of their time fact checking Trump over and over maybe someones mind could be changed. No, we gotta talk about speech jaffes. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/951 "2024-07-12T08:57:30Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Stutterers have real problems with names. > > I bet he’s done this his whole life. With people he knows well. Hell, I have a mild stutter and on more than one occasion I’ve called someone by my own name. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/952 "2024-07-12T08:59:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Hell, I have a mild stutter and on more than one occasion I’ve called someone by my own name. To be fair, my mom called our dog by my name more than once (and she had all her faculties sharp at the time…my mom did, dog too actually). ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/953 "2024-07-12T09:02:08Z")
I’ve done both of those things. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/954 "2024-07-12T09:07:50Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > My main question is, how is it possible there are (at least) 47% of US citizens who are these low-information voters? Remember, I mentioned the Rockman in that film: “You see what you want to see and you hear what you want to hear.” Trump tells his supporters what they want to hear. He’ll deport illegal migrants who are sucking off the public teat, he’ll build a bigger and better wall, and he’ll impose tariffs on anything and everything entering the United States (low-information voters don’t realize that they’re the ones paying the tariffs, but it plays well among the uneducated). Sounds good to an Iowa farmer who only has a high school education, and doesn’t want to learn something called “coding.” And who doesn’t want to change what he’s done for years, and what his father did, and his father before him did. As I recall, @LSLGuy posted a nice summary of this attitude in another thread. @LSLGuy , might you reproduce it here? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/955 "2024-07-12T10:59:49Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > Like I said for some people there is _literally_ nothing Biden can do to convince them. Yes. Those people being – voters. In 2020, Biden debated Trump two times, and got a bump both times. This time, American voters have their minds made up. Biden doesn’t consistently run ten points in polls behind where he was four years ago because the pollsters switched their political preferences. It’s not because shy Trumpers are now shy Bideners. It’s because voters made up their minds when we had the inflation spurt and nothing Joe can say, and no television advertisement, and not disgusting Trump insults, and certainly not SDMB posts, can change it. The event that might have changed it is Trump’s incarceration, but SCOTUS gave him a get out of jail free card. > [@Sylvanz](#): > > I think that quite a few, at least on the dope, didn’t want him in the first place and are jumping on this as a reason to dump him. Quite a few? I missed that. Me? Yes. I suggested last year, before the primary election filing deadllnes, that Biden should drop out. Then I voted for Dean Phillips, who ran against Biden in the primary. Now there is one last opportunity for Joe Biden to look at the numbers (and admittedly there is more than one way to do that) and do what I think is best for the country and world. One thing I didn’t know last year was that Joe has started sometimes losing his train of thought. So now I think he should not just drop out of the race, but also, and graciously, resign. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/956 "2024-07-12T12:03:43Z")
If Biden face planted, someone would say, Thats his stutter! ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/957 "2024-07-12T12:28:01Z")
_USA Today’s_ Rex Huppke to media pundits: Get over yourselves. > **[How did Biden do? Sure, press conference went well. BUT NOW HE MUST DO 100...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/07/11/biden-press-conference-capable-democratic-nominee/74361914007/)** > > Greetings, I am American Political Pundit Man, and I am here to judge President Joe Biden's performance at Thursday night's NATO press conference. Favorite zinger (my emphasis): > Since Biden’s disastrous presidential debate performance, I and my colleagues in the League of Punditry have determined unequivocally that Joe must go. That is because we are accurately and unfailingly able to predict the future and **we are also eager to get down to the business of explaining why whoever might replace Biden is also very bad**. That’s something few consider, from what I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/958 "2024-07-12T12:41:29Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > As I recall, @LSLGuy posted a nice summary of this attitude in another thread. @LSLGuy , might you reproduce it here? This might be what you were referring to. > [@What the hell is so attractive about fascism?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-so-attractive-about-fascism/1003701/66): > > This is very very valid. I read an essay about 6 months ago on this. No clue where, by who, title, etc., or I’d give a cite. But the author, a respected sociologist, said the so-called white working class racism is a facile false answer. A lot of what’s going on is that rural and small town America is dying economically. These people were raised from birth to want to live only near their ancestors and never want to leave that county. They don’t want a handout. They want living in a nothin… The next dozen or so posts continue to discuss this idea and bear reading. As well I recommend reading the whole post by @bump that I snipped at the top of my post. Aside … FYI, it’s not hard to find other poster’s work if you have some idea of when it was written and some keywords words it might contain. A search for [@lslguy after:2024-07-01] and any of “fascism”, “grandfather”, or “rural” would have worked. “father” alone would not have, since I didn’t use that word and Discourse doesn’t match the letters “father” inside the word “grandfather”. Discourse search treats multiple words as a logical “and” condition, not “or”, so you’d need to conduct multiple individual searches for each word you think apt. Which is the work of a couple keystrokes to delete the unsuccessful word and type a new guess in its place each time. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/959 "2024-07-12T13:23:32Z")
More data suggesting Biden (and the Democrats in general) may not be in nearly as much danger as the media has portrayed: > As Democrats we should remember that we tend to panic and overreact to bad news. Maybe this is another example. Biden can still win. Harris could win too. The decision should be measured and respectful and without rancor. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2024, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/960 "2024-07-12T13:25:25Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > _USA Today’s_ Rex Huppke to media pundits: Get over yourselves. At the start of your link: “This piece represents a collection of opinions from various sources separate from those of this publication.” Are they getting ready for Trump term 2? Hey, we’re not the enemy of the people. It’s those other guys. God only knows how this got into the paper. Do I have that right? The rest is an anti-pundit post from an anti-pundit newspaper chain [too cowardly to run editorials](https://wapo.st/3LhN59Q). > [@](#): > > That is because we are accurately and unfailingly able to predict the future and we are also eager to get down to the business of explaining why whoever might replace Biden is also very bad. Great point. What this country needs is to get rid of a critical free press and replace it with cheerleaders. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=49)