# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/81 "2024-07-03T20:44:23Z")
Just for once, I wish candidates would be honest about their real motives. D and R alike. None of this “I’m doing it for the nation or for the common good,” although of course they’ll dress it up as that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/82 "2024-07-03T20:50:22Z")
Most politicians have huge egos, and genuinely believe their service in office is “for the nation or for the common good”. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/83 "2024-07-03T20:55:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Any certainty in predicting political events is just ludicrous. I’m continually shocked that so many Americans think they have any better than a wild guess level of skill in predicting political events. If there’s one thing you can count on, it’s that approximately half of the people who hold an absolute position that a future event will result in A or B will become insufferably self-aggrandizing about their comprehensive understanding, despite having no actual evidence that their prediction was better than a guess. The other half will slink away silently, but will return just like the first half for the next inflection point with unflapable belief in their own position. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/84 "2024-07-03T20:56:37Z")
Bring back Clinton! He is _still_ younger than either Trump or Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/85 "2024-07-03T21:03:44Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Nate Silver has an opinion piece in the NY Times today ([gift link](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/opinion/biden-democrats-senate-polls.html?unlocked_article_code=1.4U0.M9YT.eAOACgVDEXuu&smid=url-share)) that demonstrates that Biden is severely underperforming Senate Dem candidates in swing states. Now, to be clear, this does not necessarily mean that a different candidate would _definitely_ be doing better, but it is at least _indicative_ of that. Is it though? It seems a huge assumption that Senate Candidate-D polling well against Senate Candidate-R in their state would corolate to to that same Senate Candidate-D polling well nationally against Presidential Candidate-R. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/86 "2024-07-03T21:11:44Z")
How about Hillary? I bet she has a lot of fight left in her! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/87 "2024-07-03T21:45:52Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I do fear that many Democratic or moderate voters really, really, really do not want a female President. (Some may say they’d be okay with it, but they’re really NOT okay with it.) As someone who can be quoted as saying (many years ago) that there was no way America was voting for a guy named Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, I’d say that it’s probably better to assume that TV visualizations of hicks and hillbillies starting 2 inches from the border of Manhattan are fanciful and largely false. A woman can be voted in. Not any woman - definitely not Hillary - but when we won’t it’s because of that _particular_ woman, not just being applied to any woman in general. I think we’d hire zombie Margaret Thatcher, just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/88 "2024-07-03T21:54:09Z")
More that may be of interest: > **[Biden to Hold Crisis Meeting With Democratic Governors at the White House](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/us/politics/biden-campaign-debate.html)** > > The president is trying to reassure his supporters that he can still win in November despite his debate debacle last week. > President Biden is scheduled to meet on Wednesday with several Democratic governors in a closed-door meeting at the White House, part of a push to reassure the president’s supporters that he can still win the election in November despite his debate debacle last week. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/89 "2024-07-03T22:10:14Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > It seems a huge assumption that Senate Candidate-D polling well against Senate Candidate-R in their state would corolate to to that same Senate Candidate-D polling well nationally against Presidential Candidate-R. No, that’s not the implication of what Silver is saying. The assumption is that a Dem presidential candidate should be polling around the same as a Dem Senate candidate. If not, that means that some voters are inclined to vote for a Dem Senate candidate, but not Biden. That kind of ticket splitting is bad for Dems, and right now Biden is seriously underperforming in states that matter. So Silver’s point is that a different pres candidate could be expected to poll closer to what the Senate candidates are. I didn’t know if I’m explaining that clearly. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/90 "2024-07-03T22:34:26Z")
Listening to Wolf Blitzer’s evening CNN program _The Situation Room_ right now on Sirius XM. An unnamed Congressperson (I know) told CNN that Biden is done and is all but out - he just hasn’t come to realize it yet. This was about 25 minutes ago, and has been repeated once so far during the program. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/91 "2024-07-03T22:50:14Z")
Hypothetically, suppose both the presumptive Democratic and Republican nominees were to withdraw tomorrow. There would be some states in which neither would be put on the ballot. However, I would not put it past the best SCOTUS that money can buy to rule that the Republican replacement can be put on the ballot but the Democratic one cannot. They don’t need legal reasoning as was proven by the immunity ruling, they can simply say we have the power to do it and you all can go pound sand. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/92 "2024-07-03T22:52:27Z")
There was an article this morning, not sure if NYT or elsewhere, that pointed out that the Heritage Foundation has already identified 3 states - Georgia, Nevada and Wisconsin - that could potentially pose a trap for candidates who have to drop out late and be replaced, because of deadlines or other requirements. In theory, this would hamper both the D’s and R’s equally, but as you point out, it could be unevenly applied. It could also create a bizarro situation where Biden is on the ballot in Wisconsin, Nevada and Georgia and cannot be removed despite being off the ticket, but Kamala is the (D) candidate on the ballot of all 47 other states. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/93 "2024-07-03T22:54:36Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Too soon to label it _fake_ news. > That means a particular thing. > **[Old Video of Joe Biden Talking About Resignation Falsely Shared as Recent](https://www.thequint.com/news/webqoof/joe-biden-resigns-as-us-president-kamala-harris-old-video-fact-check)** > > Fact-check | Old Video of Joe Biden Talking About Resignation out of concern for his health Falsely Shared as Recent. This video dates back to 2020. ## _This video dates back to 2020 and shows Biden answering a reporter’s question about a hypothetical situation._ ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/94 "2024-07-03T23:24:29Z")
If that was the exact wording used, I’ll note that that statement says absolutely nothing about Biden’s state of mind, just that the speaker thinks that Biden dropping out is inevitable. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/95 "2024-07-03T23:47:04Z")
Oh I didn’t realize you meant that old article. I thought you meant today’s news. So, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/96 "2024-07-04T00:25:21Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Okay- Biden is not considering dropping out. That was fake news. IF he does end up dropping out, the White House will stridently insist that any reporting that Biden is even considering dropping out is fake news up until ten minutes before he announces he’s dropping out. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/97 "2024-07-04T00:30:59Z")
Biden certainly is not advertising considering dropping out and he wouldn’t until the moment he does (assuming that would happen which I agree is super unlikely). What is happening are a lot of people, in power in his own party, considering pressuring him to do so. And that suggests some big problems among dems which is bad news for dems. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/98 "2024-07-04T01:07:36Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > If that was the exact wording used, I’ll note that that statement says absolutely nothing about Biden’s state of mind, just that the speaker thinks that Biden dropping out is inevitable. The exact wording is now on CNN’s website: > And another Democratic lawmaker said that their assessment of Biden’s candidacy is that “it’s over, we are just waiting for the announcement. [Biden] is not there yet, will take a bit to get there, but it’s over.” > **[Democrats fear Biden could jeopardize their chances of flipping the House |...](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/07/03/politics/democrats-house-biden)** > > In the days since President Joe Biden’s disappointing debate performance, a number of Democrats running in competitive districts have expressed their fear to the Biden campaign and the White House that the president remaining at the top of the ticket... ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/99 "2024-07-04T01:19:06Z")
I’m not buying this crap. It’s too late to drop out now. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/100 "2024-07-04T01:29:20Z")
If he’s genuinely suffering from dementia then, whether it’s too late or not, the earlier the better. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=6)