# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1201 "2024-07-15T17:54:39Z")
If Biden resigned, Harris wouldn’t get a VP. And thus if something happens to her, Mike Johnson would become president. Barring an overwhelming health issue, it’s imperative that Biden remains president. That doesn’t mean he has to stay the candidate. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1202 "2024-07-15T18:28:33Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Which is EXACTLY the reason people need to STFU and get behind Biden and work toward his reelection. **He has made it clear he will not be dropping out.** But they’re not shutting the fuck up, and in a free country, never will. Sorry, but the cat is out of the bag. > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > As you point out, public opinion is turning against him. I believe this is driven largely by all the blathering going on in DC and by pundits. I think it’s largely because he looks confused and out of it so often. This didn’t come from nowhere. It’s not like the lie about Obama’s place of birth where it’s just made up. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1203 "2024-07-15T18:40:58Z")
I think there is a difference between Biden looking confused so often, and the media showing the same shots of Biden looking confused so often. Twenty stories about the same car crash does not a twenty car pile-up make. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1204 "2024-07-15T18:48:17Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I think it’s largely because he looks confused and out of it so often. This didn’t come from nowhere. It’s not like the lie about Obama’s place of birth where it’s just made up. Trump also often looks confused, and even more often than Biden sounds confused. And yet the media chooses to portray Biden as confused and doddering, and Trump as somehow strong and focused. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1205 "2024-07-15T18:48:56Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > But they’re not shutting the fuck up, and in a free country, never will. Sorry, but the cat is out of the bag. Other than the Biased NYT, yeah, pretty much they are now. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1206 "2024-07-15T18:55:58Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@RickJay](#): > > > > But they’re not shutting the fuck up, and in a free country, never will. Sorry, but the cat is out of the bag. > > Other than the Biased NYT, yeah, pretty much they are now . QED upthread, post #1177: > [@Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden denies)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-denies/1003690/1177): > > I was expecting a flurry this morning. There was a quick three public statements for Biden to step down last night, and then this morning … ??? Welp - we’re at what? Hour 46 or so since the “Potentially dozens of Democrats” article linked above? I think it ended up being another three or four more Democratic lawmakers (assuming they mean from the U.S. Congress and Senate, not state, county, or municipal legislators). Nowhere near “dozens”, though. Tick-tock. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1207 "2024-07-15T19:08:48Z")
Nice try going back 5 days to quote my post. The race has changed since then and the “Biden is a feeble old man” storyline is aging poorly. Once the Trump shooting and the RNC stories stop dominating headlines I suppose the NYT will go back to banging that drum. I don’t think it will work that well for them. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1208 "2024-07-15T19:40:54Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > By contrast to the shooting, the emotional jolt of Joe Biden dropping out – especially if he dropped out without resigning – would be less. This is an excellent point. I’m less convinced of the value of Biden resigning, due only to the danger of a Mike Johnson Presidency. If we could be assured that Harris could get a VP seated, I’d change my view. To those who believe the ‘Biden should pass the torch’ story is somehow over because of the rally incident: no. It isn’t. If Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Obama, and the rest of the savvy Dems _stop_ saying ‘we support Biden’ and _start_ saying ‘Biden can win and we believe he should be the nominee,’ then I’ll start to think that the story is over. Until then: no. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1209 "2024-07-15T19:42:14Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > the “Biden is a feeble old man” storyline is aging poorly. … Nah, too easy. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1210 "2024-07-15T19:47:37Z")
No. I’m asking if they’ve adjusted their algorithms to accurately eliminate the error that seemed prevalent in the primaries. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1211 "2024-07-15T19:53:22Z")
Re last post, I hope not. Primary and general election issues are different. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1212 "2024-07-15T20:28:19Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Are you asking – can an ethical pollster put their finger on the results and add a few points for a candidate whose support they have repeatedly underestimated? > > No! Pollsters basically always do this anyway. They do some sampling that they know biases one way and other sampling that they know biases another way (i.e. polling landlines vs cell phones) and then they have to do the best the can weighing the different methods together to hopefully cancel everything out in the end. I haven’t really read them but there has been a ton of talk from pollsters about how they’ve tried to correct underestimating Trump in 2016 and 2020. It’s within the realm of possibility they’ve overcorrected or some other factor is at play this time. I do agree that GOP primaries and the general are extremely different and it won’t necessarily automatically carry over. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1213 "2024-07-15T21:42:44Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > > [@bordelond](#): > > > > Counter to my expectations, 538 today bumped this up to Biden 52%, Trump 47% (rounded, with an 0.4% chance of a tie). > > Bah – all that lead in 538’s model has evaporated. 50% - 49% for Biden plus the same 0.4% of a tie. … and 538 has run another 1,000 simulations since the JD Vance announcement. Biden got 530, Trump got 466 (four ties). ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1214 "2024-07-15T21:58:15Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > … and 538 has run another 1,000 simulations since the JD Vance announcement. Biden got 530, Trump got 466 (four ties). … and just that fast, they’ve rerun another 1,000 simulations - 513-483 for Biden 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1215 "2024-07-15T22:32:11Z")
I think there is medication for this … ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1216 "2024-07-16T01:45:47Z")
Biden just crushed it in the interview with Lester Holt. He had the stutter but mentally he was totally on it. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1217 "2024-07-16T01:47:03Z")
That would be, ahhh, sans teleprompter, correct? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1218 "2024-07-16T01:48:36Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Biden just crushed it in the interview with Lester Holt. Agree. He was lucid and confident. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1219 "2024-07-16T01:49:36Z")
It was an interview. No teleprompter. He took a few seconds to consider some questions but his answers ranged from thoughtful to bantering to challenging. This is the guy I want as President. (Still worried about his aging in the next four years though). ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1220 "2024-07-16T01:51:07Z")
Thank you for confirming what I already knew was true. There are a few people around here who should watch it, sounds like. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=62)