# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1361 "2024-07-18T02:15:55Z")
I would rather listen to those random people than people on the internet who keep repeating things about Joe Biden that have no basis in fact, such as saying he is senile. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1362 "2024-07-18T02:25:42Z")
Assume Biden does step down. How do the Democrats counter Vance in the Rust Belt? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1363 "2024-07-18T02:27:05Z")
These comments are in response to a tweet by ABC’s John Karl saying that Chuck Schumer met privately with Biden on Saturday and asked him to drop out. Now why would ABC (a Disney subsidiary) wait until Wednesday to report on that when Biden has made it clear several times since Saturday that he isn’t dropping out, and can it be coincidence that they drop it in the middle of the RNC and right after Biden says he has covid? These voters are seeing the same thing I’m seeing - Democratic insiders are colluding with the news-entertainment complex to knife Biden in the back, because the media wants ratings and the feckless cowards who’ve carved a Peter-Principle-shaped hole for themselves in the party apparatus want to play kingmaker and would rather lose the election than have a president who doesn’t follow their orders. And they’re not going to stand for it. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1364 "2024-07-18T02:30:47Z")
Can’t imagine what news story would delayed other stories… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1365 "2024-07-18T02:31:48Z")
Someone had an earache? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1366 "2024-07-18T02:32:02Z")
Why do you think Vance needs to be countered? He isn’t even particularly popular in his home state. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1367 "2024-07-18T02:34:37Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Well, I guess that ends the argument. Six random people on Twitter have spoken! Thank God that “#1 Jalen Hurts Fan” has finally favored us with his astute analysis! LOL! Go JALEN! You win the thread. I’m still laughing. 🤣😁 Seriously considering all these nutty options out there and in this thread, I’m only hoping Joe can come out swinging again. But lately… I wouldn’t blink if it were a Harris/Newsom ticket at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1368 "2024-07-18T02:39:43Z")
Well for that to happen one of them would need to change their state of residence. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1369 "2024-07-18T02:41:47Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > I wouldn’t blink if it were a Harris/Newsom ticket at this point. > **[Newsom to DeSantis: ‘Neither of us will be the nominee’ in 2024](https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/12/01/desantis-and-newsom-lob-insults-and-talk-some-policy-in-faceoff/#:~:text=The%20California%20Democrat%20defended%20his,for%20a%20party%20in%202024.%E2%80%9D)** > > The debate was a hard-to-explain 90-minute clash that pitted one struggling Republican presidential hopeful against a Democratic rival who may or may not seek the presidency in four years. To be fair, I would consider voting for Newsom on top of the ticket if Biden endorsed him, since he hasn’t tried to stab Biden in the back. But it won’t happen and if it did he would lose. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1370 "2024-07-18T02:59:08Z")
Did you see the debate? Did you read the transcript linked above? I really can’t take you seriously if you’re still clinging to the position that there’s no legitimate reason to be concerned here. You’re asking people to ignore what they can see and hear perfectly well. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1371 "2024-07-18T03:03:34Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Did you see the debate? Did you read the transcript linked above? Yes and yes. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > You’re asking people to ignore what they can see and hear perfectly well. You’re asking people to see what you want them to see. What they do see, which is actually happening, is the elites trying to take their vote away from them. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1372 "2024-07-18T03:07:18Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > You’re asking people to ignore what they can see and hear perfectly well. No-We are looking at other sources than you, and believing our own eyes over your interpretation of what we saw. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1373 "2024-07-18T03:12:05Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You’re asking people to see what you want them to see. What they do see, which is actually happening, is the elites trying to take their vote away from them. Some polls now show the number of Democrats wanting him to drop out is up to two-thirds. Where are we, Lake Wobegon? “All the women are strong, the men are good looking, and all the voters are elites”. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1374 "2024-07-18T03:13:52Z")
Unless you are a neurologist and have examined Biden then no, I don’t buy the claim he is senile. All I am asking is for people to ignore what some imagined they saw and heard. He is not senile no matter how many times you or others say it. I did see the debate and I saw an older man who was tired, sick and most likely on meds have a very bad night. Again, there is no evidence he is senile. My position is that it is too late to make this change without Biden agreeing to step aside. I have said multiple times this should have happened months ago. Despite what some have suggested there is NO WAY to remove him against his will now that he has won enough delegates to get the nomination unless he agrees to step aside. [Many states legally require delegates to vote for him on the first ballot.](https://ballotpedia.org/State_election_law_and_delegates_to_national_conventions) To get past the first ballot will require a nasty floor fight at the convention that will most likely create a great deal of animosity and throw the election to DJT. There are still a lot of voters who are very loyal and invested in Biden as the candidate. I am not one of them but I don’t see a way to dump him without him agreeing to step aside that will not tear the party apart and cause many of those voters to **not** turn out in November. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1375 "2024-07-18T03:15:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > These comments are in response to a tweet by ABC’s John Karl saying that Chuck Schumer met privately with Biden on Saturday and asked him to drop out. Now why would ABC (a Disney subsidiary) wait until Wednesday to report on that when Biden has made it clear several times since Saturday that he isn’t dropping out, and can it be coincidence that they drop it in the middle of the RNC and right after Biden says he has covid? > > These voters are seeing the same thing I’m seeing - Democratic insiders are colluding with the news-entertainment complex to knife Biden in the back, because the media wants ratings and the feckless cowards who’ve carved a Peter-Principle-shaped hole for themselves in the party apparatus want to play kingmaker and would rather lose the election than have a president who doesn’t follow their orders. > > And they’re not going to stand for it. So now you’re resorting to conspiracy theories involving “Democratic insiders” who actually don’t want the Democrats to win the election? We’re into full scale BlueAnon territory here. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1376 "2024-07-18T03:16:58Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Some polls now show the number of Democrats wanting him to drop out is up to two-thirds. How do we know those “Democrats” aren’t MAGAs lying to the pollster? Are their names being checked against voter registrations? What about in the 19 states where you don’t pick a party when registering? We know that polls can be manipulated and we know the Trump campaign has been doing exactly that, and we know the polls are skewed in favor of Republicans and against Democrats. They simply cannot be trusted. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > So now you’re resorting to conspiracy theories involving “Democratic insiders” who actually don’t want the Democrats to win the election? You’re asking people to ignore what they can see and hear perfectly well. The Walt Disney Company sat on a story for days and waited to break it until the very HOUR of Biden’s covid diagnosis even though it was no longer newsworthy at that point. That was a calculated move intended to convince people that Biden shouldn’t be president. They’re putting their fingers on the scale right in front of us. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1377 "2024-07-18T03:19:10Z")
I don’t think anyone here disagrees that the only way to get him off the ticket is to persuade him to leave voluntarily. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1378 "2024-07-18T03:22:07Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > How do the Democrats counter Vance in the Rust Belt? Whitmer or Shapiro as VP. Albeit he is his own antidote to a large degree. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1379 "2024-07-18T03:23:14Z")
Which all evidence indicates won’t be happening. Thus my frustration with those who won’t stop publicly calling for him to step down since the only result it is having is to suppress voter enthusiasm and potential turnout. Typical Democratic circular firing squad behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1380 "2024-07-18T03:27:13Z")
I’m not getting it. If you’re an ambitious Democrat (who assumes that there will still be elections in the future if Trump wins this year), it seems like the BEST case scenario would be for Biden (or his replacement) to lose. Then there’s an open Dem primary in 2028 and no Republican incumbent. Biden winning is less good. Harris probably has an advantage going into the 2028 primaries; that’s not necessarily insurmountable, but then in the fall you’re trying to win a third consecutive Presidential election for your party, which has only been done once since 1952 (Bush '88). But Harris replacing Biden and winning is the worst of all. She’s presumably going to win the nomination in 2028, so there’s no open primary until 2032, and then, depending on how 2028 goes, you’re either facing a Republican incumbent or trying to win a _fourth_ straight election. So I’m not seeing why these ambitious Dems would be motivated to get Biden out of the race. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=70)