# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1381 "2024-07-18T03:34:59Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Thus my frustration with those who won’t stop publicly calling for him to step down since the only result it is having is to suppress voter enthusiasm and potential turnout. Typical Democratic circular firing squad behavior. There is a definite expiration date on the movement to get him to step down as the nominee: his actually becoming the nominee, the electors voting. Which was possibly going to be moved up in a hurry up move to be virtual ahead of schedule. If that happens, which it perhaps likely will, but God or Biden’s doctor (who may have a god complex, who know?) may advise Biden otherwise yet, then the wagons circle. The election is far enough away that these comments will mean little by then. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1382 "2024-07-18T03:36:14Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > So I’m not seeing why these ambitious Dems would be motivated to get Biden out of the race. You assume that Adam Schiff thinks that Harris should be the nominee, when it’s more likely that Adam Schiff thinks Adam Schiff should be the nominee, or perhaps that he thinks being “the man who got Biden to drop out” will land him a nice eight-figure gig on Diet Fox News (I.e. CNN). ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1383 "2024-07-18T03:36:49Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Which all evidence indicates won’t be happening. Thus my frustration with those who won’t stop publicly calling for him to step down since the only result it is having is to suppress voter enthusiasm and potential turnout. Typical Democratic circular firing squad behavior. What “evidence”? His own public statements? A politician’s statements are absolutely meaningless in this situation. Nixon insisted he wasn’t going to resign, either, right up until he did. We’re seeing increasing pressure put on Biden by party leaders, and presumably there’s a lot behind the scenes we aren’t seeing. We may not be in a timeline where Biden withdraws from the race, but AFAICT what we’re seeing now is exactly what we’d expect to see in such a timeline. It has been my experience that the people complaining about “Democratic circular firing squads” are usually the people firing away most enthusiastically. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1384 "2024-07-18T03:41:51Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > We’re seeing increasing pressure put on Biden by party leaders Ahem. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > So now you’re resorting to conspiracy theories involving “Democratic insiders” > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Where are we, Lake Wobegon? “All the women are strong, the men are good looking, and all the voters are elites”. Which one is it? Are the party elites trying to push Biden out or ain’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1385 "2024-07-18T03:43:08Z")
If the reports are true and Schumer did in fact meet with Biden and tell him to step aside only to be rebuffed then his statements he won’t step aside have more weight than you are willing to give them. Pelosi already hinted publicly he should step aside and got nowhere. Those two failing at this is pretty significant. As I said before, **until a private meeting with Obama happens (or the extremely unlikely event of Obama publicly calling for him to step aside), Biden WILL be the nominee.** A health crisis or bad doctor’s report could of course change this. There are no other party leaders who carry the weight those three do with Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1386 "2024-07-18T03:45:57Z")
Do you think all 50 percent of Democrats who think Biden is unfit to lead want to be nominee too or are you willing to accept that some people legitimately think Biden is not the best candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1387 "2024-07-18T03:48:47Z")
Just because they haven’t convinced him yet, doesn’t mean they won’t. Lots of politicians say they will never quit until they do. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1388 "2024-07-18T03:51:19Z")
If only all this time and effort by Democrats was spent _opposing Trump._ ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1389 "2024-07-18T03:52:37Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Do you think all 50 percent of Democrats who think Biden is unfit to lead want to be nominee too I think the number of Democrats who want Biden to step down is closer to 5% than 50%. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1390 "2024-07-18T03:53:02Z")
Could it happen? Yes, but I have seen nothing to make me think he is wavering. If Obama tells Joe it is time then I would expect he will step aside. The others had their shot and it didn’t work. Other than Jill I don’t see anyone else with the influence to change his thinking. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1391 "2024-07-18T03:53:19Z")
After seeing Vance’s speech I am even more concerned that the Democrats don’t have any candidate that can appeal to the Rust Belt working class as one of them. That is Biden’s strength and if he steps down those states are gone. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1392 "2024-07-18T03:55:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If only all this time and effort by Democrats was spent _opposing Trump._ Which is exactly what I find so frustrating with this situation. The energy is being directed at each other rather than the opposition. Circular firing squad. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1393 "2024-07-18T03:57:10Z")
Then you are ignoring reality. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1394 "2024-07-18T03:58:22Z")
I’m not buying Vance will play that well outside of Ohio once people get to know him. And if Joe steps aside he will hopefully be out there campaigning for the ticket and have an impact. The Rust Belt states do not operate in lock step. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1395 "2024-07-18T04:01:17Z")
The reality is that Trump and his goon squad have had eight years to figure out how to make the polls say what they want them to say, and people who haven’t been paying attention keep treating them like gospel truth when time and time again Democrats outperform at the ballot box. ---
**Author:** ![Newtosite](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/newtosite/32/8623_2.png) [@Newtosite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Newtosite)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1396 "2024-07-18T04:01:23Z")
I’m struck by the timing and coincidence of Biden saying he’d consider dropping out for medical reasons…and the announcement of his Covid diagnosis soon after. Are they paving the way for him to quit while saving face? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1397 "2024-07-18T04:52:51Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You assume that Adam Schiff thinks that Harris should be the nominee, when it’s more likely that Adam Schiff thinks Adam Schiff should be the nominee, Adam Schiff is running for CA Senator and is going to win against goofy Steve Garvey in a casual walk. It might be the safest Democratic hold in the Senate in the coming election. Whatever political calculations (as opposed to real concern, which cannot be ruled out) he is running, trying for the Presidential candidate slot is probably not one of them. Like Newsom he’ll be better positioned in four years. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1398 "2024-07-18T05:14:34Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Adam Schiff is running for CA Senator and is going to win against goofy Steve Garvey in a casual walk. It might be the safest Democratic hold in the Senate in the coming election. Well, that explains it. Schiff thinks he can stab Biden in the back, coast into a safe seat, ride out the next four years in the minority by grandstanding and working the TV news circuit instead of legislating, and present himself as the perfect candidate in 2028. If I still lived in California I’d be writing to tell him he’s lost my vote in this and all other years. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1399 "2024-07-18T05:19:33Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Considering that Biden led Trump by 9% in polls in the summer of 2020 That is not the point you think it is. The President gets blamed for everything bad, and nothing good. > [@Velocity](#): > > and yet only barely eked out victory by a razor-thin margin in three swing states when November came, And this is not true. It was 308 to 232. A large margin. 76 votes, the three states accounted for 37 votes. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > If only all this time and effort by Democrats was spent _opposing Trump._ Yep. Biden is not stepping down- I mean I guess he could get really ill between now and November(and more likely trump could), but failing that he is not. so drop this silly assed idea. And remember- Vance barely beat Ryan- he is not super popular in that state. > [@Smapti](#): > > If I still lived in California I’d be writing to tell him he’s lost my vote in this and all other years. He already lost my vote- his people actively campaigned for Garvey so that Schiff would have to worry about the election. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1400 "2024-07-18T05:21:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And this is not true. It was 306 to 232. A large margin. 76 votes, the three states accounted for 37 votes. If Biden had lost those three states, he’d have had only 269 EVs and would not have won the presidency, given that the election would then go to the Republican-controlled House. And what I meant by “barely eked out victory” was that the margin of victory was only 44,000 votes in those three swing states combined. That’s an incredibly narrow margin. Biden dodged a huge bullet (perhaps not the best phrase given recent events, but yes.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=69) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=71)