# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1521 "2024-07-18T22:03:26Z")
I was responding to @Smapti’s The Hill article. The poll you reference that she does the same as Biden right now. I would expect that honestly. I just see more upside. Of course I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1522 "2024-07-18T22:04:56Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > Couldn’t the possibility of Harris becoming President be a reason many might not want to vote for Biden? There seems to have been a shift with respect to this in the past year. Heck, not long ago I was debating with other Liberal Dopers that Harris would be fully viable in 2028. Now, however, she seems to be much better liked and respected. Why, exactly, I’m not sure. I can only speculate that my own opinion has been correct: she’s been excellent since the beginning and only dissed for bullshit, surface-level reasons, such as her laugh, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1523 "2024-07-18T22:05:06Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The poll you reference that she does the same as Biden right now. I would expect that honestly. I just see more upside. **If** she gets the nomination I would expect her polling to rise as well once she gets center stage. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1524 "2024-07-18T22:06:03Z")
What would happen if a Nobel Peace Prize winner were to show Joe to the door? ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1525 "2024-07-18T22:06:58Z")
He’d go through the door. ---
**Author:** ![GailForce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/dfb087/32.png) [@GailForce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GailForce)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1526 "2024-07-18T22:08:35Z")
i was listening to a podcast with Bill Maher on it. You may know that he’s been calling for Biden to drop out for months now, and he’s just come up with a new metaphor (his old metaphor was that he’s “Ruth Bader Biden,” hanging on out of inertia and stubbornness.) This one goes: "America wants ‘new.’ This administration is a sit-com that’s been running too long, and we want some new characters. If Biden decided to drop out of the race, I do think that anyone who runs for President in his place will do better than he would–Harris, Beshear, Newsom, Whitmer, Shapiro, in any combination. A fresh face is what’s needed, above all, and Biden can devote the last few months of his administration kicking ass and taking names. Go, Anybody!!! ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1527 "2024-07-18T22:09:16Z")
I’d just add all these news article from people openly calling and “secretly” calling for Biden to drop out are likely coordinated in some way to continually build _pressure_ on Biden to drop out. It’s no indication that Biden has _decided_ to drop out. While it feels to me like Biden is out/will be soon, I need to remind myself nothing is suggesting he has decided that. It’s just pressure. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1528 "2024-07-18T22:10:31Z")
OK, guys, this is it: Kos just wrote this: > **[Biden says he won't step aside. What happens next?](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/7/18/2254989/-Biden-says-he-won-t-step-aside-What-happens-next?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_9&pm_medium=web)** > > Despite continuing calls for him to step aside as the Democratic Party’s nominee, President Joe Biden says he’s not going anywhere. A significant contingent of Democratic leaders ... **UPDATE: Thursday, Jul 18, 2024 · 12:13:19 PM CDT** **Today the dam seems to have burst, with news reports claiming even former President Barack Obama is telling Biden he can’t win. Biden’s situation is now untenable. He won’t be our nominee.** Game over, guys! ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1529 "2024-07-18T22:14:44Z")
Another musing on Biden resigning immediately, and why it would be awesome: It’s a big _fuck you_ to the racist misogynist mutherfuckers we’re gonna beat: Hey, here’s our first WOMAN president. Here’s our first BLACK WOMAN president. Suck it UP!!! And that will be historical and awesome. The downside would be, had he done it in the middle of, say, his next term, was that she didn’t really win under her own steam. But the beauty part is that she does _immediately_ get to do that! And even if she loses, we _still_ have our first woman and Black woman president. It’s a win-no-matter-what scenario, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1530 "2024-07-18T22:16:27Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Here’s our first BLACK WOMAN president. Also Asian (Indian-Jamaican heritage). ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1531 "2024-07-18T22:18:40Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Also Asian (Indian-Jamaican heritage). I know. But she seems to identify mainly as Black. By the way, seeing Trump get his dick knocked in the dirt by a WOC will be extremely fucking absolutely delicious! ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1532 "2024-07-18T22:19:29Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > It’s a big _fuck you_ to the racist misogynist mutherfuckers we’re gonna beat: Hey, here’s our first WOMAN president. Here’s our first BLACK WOMAN president. Suck it UP!!! > > And that will be historical and awesome. The downside would be, had he done it in the middle of, say, his next term, was that she didn’t really win under her own steam. But the beauty part is that she does _immediately_ get to do that! I am in 1000% agreement with all of your opinions, but I would beg of you please between now and November - no more predictions or “guarantees”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1533 "2024-07-18T22:22:09Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > **Today the dam seems to have burst, with news reports claiming even former President Barack Obama is telling Biden he can’t win. Biden’s situation is now untenable. He won’t be our nominee.** > > Game over, guys! Then we’re fucked. Get ready for 4 to 40 more years of President Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1534 "2024-07-18T22:23:09Z")
> [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > I am in 1000% agreement with all of your opinions, but I would beg of you please between now and November - no more predictions or “guarantees”. Have I used the word “guarantee”? If so, mea culpa. There are no guarantees in life. I think Kamala Harris has a very strong chance of beating Trump. I wouldn’t bother to make a post on it, since that’s the election itself and not a special take on anything. I won’t start another political thread unless I think I have something interesting and different for us to talk about. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1535 "2024-07-18T22:23:33Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Get ready for 4 to 40 more years of President Trump. 40? Only if they animate his corpse for the last 30+ years of that time frame. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1536 "2024-07-18T22:25:08Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Then we’re fucked. Get ready for 4 to 40 more years of President Trump. Why? There’s a chance of losing, but I have not seen polls saying we’re fucked in this scenario, nor have I heard talking heads on our side say we’re fucked in this scenario, nor have I even heard fascists say that they welcome this scenario. If anything, they seem afraid of it. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1537 "2024-07-18T22:25:11Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > if the rest of the Democratic party followed my example instead of immediately ceding to QOP talking points there’d be no problem and **we’d be headed for a landslide victory.** I don’t see this at all, considering that Biden was already polling badly against Trump **before** the June debate. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1538 "2024-07-18T22:28:59Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > I have been a Biden supporter. I think he was the ideal president for the time in which he has served. I dismissed the constant harping about his age and supposed cognitive decline as mere partisan attacks by the opposition, who we know has no empathy or even basic civility. I felt justified in my opinion, jazzed even, by the SOTU address. Fuckin’-A! > > That all crashed and burned during the debate. I am genuinely _pissed_ that Biden’s handlers let him get this far in such a shape, and at the man himself for not being a better judge of his own capabilities. All of this, 100%. I had my reservations about Biden’s low approval numbers (for many, many months); I knew they were a bad sign. But with the good SOTU performance, I thought we could muddle through. Of course, I also thought Trump would be dealing with the deficits of being (possibly) put under house arrest. I didn’t realize his side-stepping of ALL consequences, with no sentencing and documents trial dismissed, would burnish his image as God’s Chosen Candidate. Now: we are hopeless. But a Harris + Centrist VP ticket could change the story massively. Energy; youth; hope. We must have this if there is any chance of defeating Mr. Dictator-on-Day-One. Speed the day. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1539 "2024-07-18T22:29:00Z")
He has offspring; perhaps, like Charlemagne, the territory will be divided among them. ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1540 "2024-07-18T22:29:18Z")
No, “guarantees” was my word in air-quotes. I was just referring to the two prior threads is all (and admitting to my being very superstitious). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=76) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=78)