# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/141 "2024-07-04T21:21:03Z")
CNN top headline right now. The President now has a bedtime > **[Biden tells Democratic governors he needs more sleep and plans to stop...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html)** > > President Joe Biden told Democratic governors during a meeting at the White House on Wednesday that part of his plan going forward is to stop scheduling events after 8 p.m. so that he could get more sleep, according to three sources briefed on his... ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/142 "2024-07-04T21:26:04Z")
I can see that. Regular sleep patterns are good for everyone. Wish I could do it. But, boy is Trump gonna fly with the Sleepy Joe crap, more! ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/143 "2024-07-04T21:27:02Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@Mr.Moto](#): > > > > Cheney had to switch residence from Texas to Wyoming after being selected for just this reason. > > Yeah, but he still was a texan, and said so. The exact language is that, “The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves.” The Constitution does not further define what it means to be an “Inhabitant,” but Cheney got a Wyoming driver’s license and sold his Texas home. I believe there were some attempted lawsuits, but they didn’t go anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/144 "2024-07-04T21:45:15Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > A VP nominee would need a majority of both houses of Congress to be confirmed and if you think Mike Johnson would even allow such a vote you are sadly mistaken In our hypothetical, couldn’t President Harris call a joint session of Congress specifically for the purpose of having that vote, thus removing Johnson from the process? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/145 "2024-07-04T21:52:18Z")
I don’t know. Does Congress have to accommodate a request for a joint session? ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/146 "2024-07-04T22:19:56Z")
No. The President has no power to call the Congress into a joint session. Joint sessions themselves are very rare and are almost solely to hear the SOTU or another major address or to certify the electoral count. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/147 "2024-07-04T22:37:26Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > CNN top headline right now. The President now has a bedtime > > [https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html) That is possibly the worst message to send to voters you are trying to show how vibrant and on the top of the game that you are. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/148 "2024-07-04T22:44:39Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > That is possibly the worst message to send to voters you are trying to show how vibrant and on the top of the game that you are. Yeah; the optics on that message are absolutely awful. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/149 "2024-07-04T22:47:01Z")
If he strictly observed the “no events after 8 pm” rule, that’s no more state dinners, ever. That really seems like a laying the groundwork for an honorable exit, to me. On the other hand, if it’s not and the message is “I’m almost fine!”, we’re doomed. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/150 "2024-07-04T23:08:02Z")
I think an after 8pm social event wouldn’t be quite as stressful as a 90 minute debate. From what I’ve read he’s very good with people and can talk to anyone pretty easily. Or could. Otherwise, he’s sundowning. I really really hate to think that. I love the guy. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/151 "2024-07-04T23:14:56Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > No. The President has no power to call the Congress into a joint session. Unless I’m reading it wrong, that’s not what the Constitution says. > [@](#): > > Article II, Section 3 > > He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/152 "2024-07-04T23:52:20Z")
The President can and has convened both Houses separately on extraordinary occasions. The Constitution does not give him authority to force them to sit as a joint body. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/153 "2024-07-04T23:55:15Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I agree with @MulderMuffin. Let Biden continue his excellent work as president (and take all the flak for it), while Harris delivers a vision of the future. If she had to take over as POTUS, every stumble would be a campaign blunder, too. OTOH: she could travel extensively and have a lot of photo op’s with key european (et al) leaders, which I am sure would accomodate their agenda to lend a hand … and keep the orange monkey off their back ---
**Author:** ![Oly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oly/32/8255_2.png) [@Oly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oly)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/154 "2024-07-05T00:43:22Z")
Besides the problem of confirming a VP — which the Repubes would stonewall, legally or otherwise— there’s also the issue that whoever accepts the offer would have to resign whatever job they have now and take the VP job, which, if the stonewalling works, they may never actually get, and even if they do get it, they may not have very long, depending the outcome of the election. Undoubtedly there are people who would jump at that gamble, but I think I the slate of potentials would be truncated and some really good prospects would set themselves off the table. Best thing to do, for these and other reasons, is for Biden to stay Prez, and Kamala pick the best VP candidate. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/155 "2024-07-05T01:53:13Z")
> [@Oly](#): > > Best thing to do, for these and other reasons, is for Biden to stay Prez, and Kamala pick the best VP candidate. It may happen. But someone who cannot effectively debate also cannot do the arguably world’s hardest job. If he hangs onto office, he deserves to lose the sympathy that would come from an admission of disability. The Senate isn’t 50-50, so having a veep is not now essential. But if Harris becomes President next month, and she wants to win over median voters, so as to actually be elected to a full term this November, she could ask congress to approve a highly centrist figure as veep, who could actually get confirmed, just until January. Manchin? Even better, a Republican. If he will take it, Mike Pence. Crazy? Do we really want to stop Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/156 "2024-07-05T02:31:26Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > But someone who cannot effectively debate also cannot do the arguably world’s hardest job. If he hangs onto office, he deserves to lose the sympathy that would come from an admission of disability. Wow. Just wow. The man stumbles in one debate, and against a 3 ½ year record of doing more for this country than any president has in the past 50 years against incredible odds, he must now admit to a “disability” or lose the “sympathy” that would come from such an admission. Moreover, taking any step that puts the fate of who Democrats choose as their nominees into Republican hands is madness. They’re just licking their chops and gleefully can’t believe some Democrats are even entertaining such a stupid move. You know who’s flogging this “Biden is senile” narrative hard on social media and everywhere else they can get away with it? Republicans, their henchmen at Sinclair, Fox, OAN, Russians, North Korea, Iran, China and many other enemies of this nation. And some people who claim to be Democrats fall for it every single time. If Biden chooses to not drop out, it will be because he has considered all possible options and determined there is no better course forward. It won’t be because of ego or pride or anything other than what is best for this nation. If you don’t know that about this man, then you don’t know anything about him. He’s good and decent and despite 50 years of public service, is not corrupt. If we end up with Trump again, it will be because some Democrats created a self-fulfilling prophesy. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/157 "2024-07-05T02:41:28Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > > [@hajario](#): > > > > CNN top headline right now. The President now has a bedtime > > > > [https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html) > > That is possibly the worst message to send to voters you are trying to show how vibrant and on the top of the game that you are. It just means that Biden is A-OK if he gets his rest and isn’t disturbed late in the day. As long as there are no crises for Joe to handle after 4 pm, everything will be swell. It’s a great message to send voters. 🤪 This should be the final nail in the coffin for Biden’s candidacy. Whether he does the right thing and withdraws in time is doubtful. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/158 "2024-07-05T02:42:42Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > As long as there are no crises for Joe to handle after 4 pm, everything will be swell. It’s a great message to send voters. 🤪 And that’s a message _CNN_ is choosing to send to voters, not Joe Biden. Maybe you haven’t noticed their rightward shift since changes in management. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/159 "2024-07-05T02:52:41Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > As long as there are no crises for Joe to handle after 4 pm, everything will be swell. Outside of Tom Clancy novels, has this “it’s 3 AM and there’s a decision that only the president can make and it has to be made RIGHT THE FUCK NOW” scenario ever actually occurred? The only thing I can think of that would possibly rise to that level would be having to order a nuclear strike, in which case we’re all dead in less than an hour regardless of whether the president gets out of bed or not. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/160 "2024-07-05T03:00:24Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The only thing I can think of that would possibly rise to that level would be having to order a nuclear strike, in which case we’re all dead in less than an hour regardless of whether the president gets out of bed or not. 9/11 rose to that level of need. And we saw how the young, virile president in that moment reacted. It’s not about age. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=9)