# Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [July 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690 "2024-07-03T16:50:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 85
**Author:** ![Disinfectus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/disinfectus/32/11085_2.png) [@Disinfectus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disinfectus)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1690 "2024-07-19T04:23:24Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > The media has been reporting on Trump’s word-salad, nonsensical ramblings since 2015. But since the debate, not really. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1691 "2024-07-19T04:23:26Z")
And the goal posts keep moving. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1692 "2024-07-19T04:27:44Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > And the goal posts keep moving > **[How did Biden do? Sure, press conference went well. BUT NOW HE MUST DO 100...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/07/11/biden-press-conference-capable-democratic-nominee/74361914007/)** > > Greetings, I am American Political Pundit Man, and I am here to judge President Joe Biden's performance at Thursday night's NATO press conference. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1693 "2024-07-19T04:28:43Z")
We are really getting into bizarro cult territory here. If this were President Bernie Sanders in this situation, I would expect this sort of thing. But people are actually constructing a narrative where _Joe Biden_ is some sort of dangerous maverick that the shadowy corporate interests secretly controlling the Democratic Party need to suppress at all costs! ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1694 "2024-07-19T04:29:30Z")
Which newspapers and networks are safe for Democrats? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1695 "2024-07-19T04:34:11Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > And the goal posts keep moving. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Have you checked the NYT? That sort of stuff is on page 20 or something, while +Biden must drop out" is all over Page 1. I said page 1. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1696 "2024-07-19T04:35:51Z")
I think this needs to be reposted. This is the partial transcript from Biden’s phone conference with House Democrats last weekend, which he showed up half an hour late for and left without taking questions. > “You saw what happened recently in terms of the meeting we had with NATO. I put NATO together,” Biden said. > > "Name me a foreign leader who thinks I’m not the most effective leader in the world on foreign policy. Tell me! Tell me who the hell that is! Tell me who put NATO back together!’ he said. > > “Tell me who enlarged NATO, tell me who did the Pacific basin! Tell me who did something that you’ve never done with your Bronze Star like my son — and I’m proud of your leadership, but guess what, what’s happening, we’ve got Korea and Japan working together, I put AUKUS together, anyway!” he said. > > “Things are in chaos, and I’m bringing some order to it. And again, find me a world leader who’s an ally of ours who doesn’t think I’m the most respected person they’ve ever—” he said. People who are still trying to make this about “one bad debate” are crossing the border from denial into delusion at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1697 "2024-07-19T04:36:47Z")
The post I responded to you said: > [@DrDeth](#): > > Why doesnt the NYT try it, instead of trying to elect him? I showed you that the official position of that paper is the opposite. You and your goal posts. If it was on the front page you’d probably ask if it was above the fold. If it was above the fold you’d ask if it was the main headline instead of a sidebar. The OpEd section of the NYT and other big papers like WSJ and WaPo are very well read and followed. They are not some story buried between the comics section and the classified ads section. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1698 "2024-07-19T04:36:47Z")
Nope, @DrDeth said in post 1684 that Biden should step down was all over the front page and bad trump news was on pg. 20. Goal psts seem fine to me. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1699 "2024-07-19T04:37:20Z")
Was the NYT editorial calling for Biden to drop out on the front page? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1700 "2024-07-19T04:42:28Z")
Please point to the part of what he said that you think is false or proves that he is mentally incompetent, because I don’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1701 "2024-07-19T04:44:45Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > But people are actually constructing a narrative where _Joe Biden_ is some sort of dangerous maverick that the shadowy corporate interests secretly controlling the Democratic Party need to suppress at all costs! Biden wants to forgive student loan payments and cancel medical debt. You don’t think that makes The Money (including millionaire stock jockey Nancy Pelosi) nervous? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1702 "2024-07-19T04:46:40Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Biden wants to forgive student loan payments and cancel medical debt. You don’t think that makes The Money (including millionaire stock jockey Nancy Pelosi) nervous? Sure does. An appellate court today put another stay on Biden’s student loan forgiveness. > **[In Major Order, Appeals Court Blocks Student Loan Forgiveness And Lower...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamminsky/2024/07/18/in-major-ruling-appeals-court-blocks-student-loan-forgiveness-and-lower-payments-for-8-million-borrowers/)** > > A federal appeals court on Thursday temporarily blocked a key Biden student loan forgiveness and repayment plan. The order could have significant ramifications. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1703 "2024-07-19T05:05:28Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Tell me who did something that you’ve never done with your Bronze Star like my son — and I’m proud of your leadership, but guess what, what’s happening, we’ve got Korea and Japan working together, I put AUKUS together, anyway!” It’s completely incoherent word salad. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1704 "2024-07-19T05:07:56Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Biden wants to forgive student loan payments and cancel medical debt. You don’t think that makes The Money (including millionaire stock jockey Nancy Pelosi) nervous? The _entire Democratic Party_ wants to do those things! Those are completely mainstream Democratic positions. They are not going to abandon those just because Biden exits the stage. But go on, keep telling us how Obama’s picking Biden as VP was all part of a cunning long-term plan to stab him in the back. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1705 "2024-07-19T05:16:21Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > It’s completely incoherent word salad. “You have a Bronze Star, just like my late son did, and I respect you as much as I respect him, but respectfully, I’ve accomplished a lot more than most people have. I helped make the AUKUS alliance a reality, and just last week I got the leaders of Japan and South Korea to reach an agreement on supporting Ukraine and each other against Russian and Chinese aggression.” There. It’s not hard. It’s only “word salad” if you choose to ignore the clear meaning of what he’s referring to. > **[Beau Biden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beau_Biden)** > > Joseph Robinette "Beau" Biden III (February 3, 1969 – May 30, 2015) was an American politician, lawyer, and officer in the Army Judge Advocate General's Corps from Wilmington, Delaware. He was the eldest child of President Joe Biden (who was vice president at the time of his son's death) and Neilia Hunter Biden, served as the 44th attorney general of Delaware from 2007 to 2015, and was a major in the Delaware Army National Guard in the Iraq War. He died of glioblastoma at the age of 46 in 201... > **[AUKUS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AUKUS)** > > AUKUS (/ˈɔːkəs/ AW-kəs), also styled as Aukus, is a trilateral security partnership for the Indo-Pacific region between Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States. Announced on 15 September 2021, the partnership involves the US and the UK assisting Australia in acquiring nuclear-powered submarines. The partnership also includes cooperation on advanced cyber mechanisms, artificial intelligence and autonomy, quantum technologies, undersea capabilities, hypersonic and counter-hype The I... > **[Readout of President Biden’s Meeting with NATO’s Indo-Pacific Partners | The...](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/07/11/readout-of-president-bidens-meeting-with-natos-indo-pacific-partners/)** > > On the margins of the NATO Summit, President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. briefly met today with President Yoon Suk Yeol of the Republic of Korea, Prime Minister Kishida Fumio of Japan, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon of New Zealand, and Deputy Prime... ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1706 "2024-07-19T05:17:46Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > The _entire Democratic Party_ wants to do those things! Those are completely mainstream Democratic positions. They are not going to abandon those just because Biden exits the stage. That’s why, instead of attacking the policies, the money is using the media to attack the only presidential candidate with a chance of making it happen. ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1707 "2024-07-19T05:24:09Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > the only presidential candidate with a chance of making it happen. Dude, add me to the list of folks who’s always liked reading your stuff but you keep repeating this (or some version of it) over and over and over again like it’s a given fact. But it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1708 "2024-07-19T05:31:28Z")
To be fair, both sides have consistently used phrases like “obvious” and “clear” without any actual evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690/1709 "2024-07-19T05:32:07Z")
You’re doing EXACTLY what the MAGATs do here. You’re translating from gibberish into English and pretending it’s not a problem that the President is speaking gibberish. I think your translation is reasonable, but an uncharitably literal reading would be that he thinks he was the founder of the NATO alliance. The sentence starts “Tell me”, suggesting that it’s going to be a question, but then it just sort of wanders off. Why is he bringing up anyone’s Bronze Star? Why is the President “proud” of some backbench Representative’s “leadership”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=84) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/biden-considering-dropping-out-update-biden-drops-out/1003690.md?page=86)